Jizzy Grant

Inb4 ya'll hype up her next music video with unrealistic expectations and BTD visuals and end up disappointed.
 
I think it's safe to say that she's not going to release anything as close to what she did early in her career, so some you just need to accept that and move on.
 
We don't know her exact mind frame of anything, only based on what she releases. For all we know, her creative process has always been the same. I know that she says that she writes the treatments for her videos, but it's the directors that ultimately craft the overall execution of it. In my opinion, both Yoann Lemoine and Anthony Mandler were her best collaborators, in large part because they are very strong visual directors.
 
Regarding her treatments, Anthony once said something along the lines of some being well-thought out and some being kind of stream-of-conscious. I think that's a nice way of saying that most lack depth or any coherency. She did start off with copy-and-pasting images from other sources in her homemade videos after all. But I think both Lemoine and Mandler were able to take these concepts/ideas and mold them into something do-able. Also, having a bigger budget certainly helped. But I believe that they understood her as an artist. Most of the directors she's been working with lately have been lacking in that area, in my opinion. She's probably giving them these checklists of what she wants and they're doing everything for the most part, but aren't giving them that unique touch or refining them like they should be.
 
Plus, it's not like EVERY video in the past has been on caliber of Born to Die and Ride. Blue Jeans is literally her in a pool with a guy and some crocodiles. Any other director would have done a sub-par job with it, esp. considering there's not much to do with that concept, but Lemoine was able to bring a distinct style to it. For the most part, she has interesting ideas both for her songs and videos, but she really needs someone there to bring them to life.

Father John Misty kind of looks like a cult leader, doesn't he? Maybe that's what struck her visually about him in the first place.

Father John Misty kind of looks like a cult leader, doesn't he? Maybe that's what struck her visually about him in the first place.

Father John Misty kind of looks like a cult leader, doesn't he? Maybe that's what struck her visually about him in the first place.

Father John Misty kind of looks like a cult leader, doesn't he? Maybe that's what struck her visually about him in the first place.

Father John Misty kind of looks like a cult leader, doesn't he? Maybe that's what struck her visually about him in the first place.

The eerie, exotic instrumental at the beginning of "Music to Watch Boys To" leading into the vocals.
The euphoric build up of the bridge in "Terrance Loves You" and the saxophone/vocals right after.
"So let there be light" in "God Knows I Tried."
The bridge in "Freak" when the guitar comes in and she mumbles her "take it to the back if you really want to talk" near the end.
The rumbling instrumental in the pre-chorus of "Religion" and the way she sings "Hallelujah, I need your love."
The final chorus in "The Blackest Day" when she sings "It's not one of the phases I'm going through" and the drums kick in.
The bridge in "24" with the horns and the marching drums and her "Mmm's".
The "Put your white tennis shoes on and follow me" outro in "Swan Song."

I really liked her "movie" idea, although I think it's more fitting for a short film or a music video.
 
Also, that she's thinking about the idea of writing a book really interests me. Although, I don't think it'll be very good. I think one of the challenging things for her would be to fill everything in such as character development, dialogue and create an overall story arc. With her visuals, she doesn't have to do that. So I can see why she'd be hesitant.
 
And despite what happened with Tropico, I'm excited to see what she will do for another short-film/music video if she does it. She acknowledged that Tropico didn't get good reception in the past, so she might have learned a thing or two from it.
 
So is her older boyfriend her teacher? She was 16, so it was around the time she was at boarding school right? And the guy was 25. Wasn't her teacher like 22 or 24?
 
Or maybe K? Someone we don't know yet?

The real problem with cultural appropriation isn't that some white girl uses a bindi or twerks. Those are actually separate issues about how some traditionally "ethnic" things are considered okay if done by white people but trashy or gross if done by the people who created it. This doesn't really have a name, and it is something that should be discussed, but people call it cultural appropriation and it's not the best use of the term.
 
The issue with cultural appropriation is taking something from its cultural context, especially without permission. That's why war bonnets are a touchy symbol. They're the equivalent of earning a medal in a war. By wearing it to look "cute" or because you "feel free", you degrade it from an actual symbol of heroic bravery into a hipster trash accessory on par with flower crowns. The symbol stops meaning anything significant, and that's part of the culture that eroded away.
 
Intention doesn't really mean anything when it comes to this. All that matters is that you're using something that has special meaning, especially something sacred, and using it outside that intended context, and that by itself causes the object to become associated with the mundane as opposed to the sacred. Even if that wasn't your intention, that is the end result, and it's still harmful to the cultures in question.
 
It's a shame the discussion about cultural appropriation has degenerated into BS like "can white people use things from non-white cultures?" because that just encourages cultural segregation while missing the core of what makes appropriation harmful. Sharing is great. But sharing requires someone to offer you something. Sacred symbols are never offered to other cultures (precisely because they are sacred). There are plenty of Native American decorative items one can choose to use that are sold by Natives and have no special value. Use those. There's no need to go for the one that has an important meaning.
 
I normally try to stay away from political discussions here, but I can't stand to see discussion about appropriation be turned to "twerking! bindis!" because all that does is make people reject the concept wholesale. It is an issue. But not for the reasons most people think. Lana did appropriate the culture by using a war bonnet outside of its intended context. She probably had no intention of doing so. But actions have consequences beyond their intentions (also the 60s and 70s were full of cultural appropriation of sacred things by hippies, so don't be surprised).

I think critics more or less know what to expect from her at this point in her career. Her weaknesses (vocals/lyrics) are so past the point of obvious that critics seem to pretty much ignore it now. So I can't say that the music itself is getting acclaim, but rather from Lana's ability to construct her distinct world/persona - if that makes sense. You can tell simply by the way they write about her now, almost as if they were playing along with her. Hence why I think most of them are giving her positive reviews.

It's not so much in trying to understand her, but rather critics now figuring out her "shtick" and simply taking it for what it is and nothing more. And while I do agree that some of the criticisms were unnecessarily harsh early on in her career, there was also some truth in the more constructive ones.
 
 
Eh, her vocals aren't going to change the critical perception of her. To her critics and the general public, she sounds the same as ever. To some of us, she sounds more natural and comfortable, but that hardly could be considered a huge leap - at least, not enough to be recognized.

I think critics more or less know what to expect from her at this point in her career. Her weaknesses (vocals/lyrics) are so past the point of obvious that critics seem to pretty much ignore it now. So I can't say that the music itself is getting acclaim, but rather from Lana's ability to construct her distinct world/persona - if that makes sense. You can tell simply by the way they write about her now, almost as if they were playing along with her. Hence why I think most of them are giving her positive reviews.

I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but I think my favorite (so far at least) may be Terrence Loves You. I know everyone thinks it's boring etc. but there's just something about how she sings the chorus that really touches me.

So after playing HM like 3 times through I went back and listened to UV, and damn..... UV just has something special to it. Like I love honeymoon don't get me wrong but I think it'll be hard for HM to actually be as magical as Ultraviolence for me

my mom on honeymoon, "She's so diverse with her albums" "I love every song" and "Salvatore is my favorite" I raised her well 

11, 12, 15?.........fucking hell im 30, am i the oldest bitch here? what kind of peado mess
 

"Hello, you've reached the Honeymoon hotline. Tune in each week for exclusive content from the depths of Hell itself. Press 1 to hear Honeymoon. Press 2 to hear intergalactic excerpts from my sex tape with Elon Musk. Press 3 to sell your soul to the devil for an exclusive snippet of my new song, 'Hot Like The Tropics'"

This thread is a nope, from me. This is all personal opinions lol. I do think she's a good songwriter, but she's more a great artist in general, her melodies can fix a bad lyric for me and sometimes i don't really mind them being bad or cringeworthy because the melody is good or how she's singing them 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine. 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine. 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine. 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine. 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine. 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine. 

This has to be my favorite of the releases so far. I've always enjoyed these kind of jazz-influenced/alt tracks more than her catcher stuff. She really has a knack for creating these sultry/dreamy atmospheres with some of her slower songs. Honeymoon had only a couple of listens from me and I like the High By the Beach music video more than the song itself.
 
I've always been a very melancholic kind of person and I think this is what she is going for on the new album. The mood seems to be more of the focus here rather than lyrics and structure, something that I feel was not concentrated on her other albums. It's what I like to call "solitary music". Music that just fits the contentment of being alone. Music that you want to play when you're at the beach or laying under a tree or riding on the bus through the city. Sometimes it's just nice to take a walk or go somewhere to be alone and....think about things. Maybe that's what she going for. Or maybe not. It works for me that way, at least.
 
Anyway. I think it's pretty clear that she's not reverting back to her Born to Die sound. I feel like there was so much influence from the label during that time than Lana herself. I mean that whole marketing was so overblown and I think she kind of got tired of that, hence her more stripped back appeal now in both image and music. Even the album itself with it's pop appeal was largely because of the label. Paradise showed hints of that departure. Both Ultraviolence and the songs of Honeymoon show that she has more creative leeway than before. She's handling the promotion herself - which she doesn't seem to mind. I think there's less distraction from people who were trying to polish her and she's more comfortable doing what she is doing. And I think regardless of the polarizing reaction to her recent material, she'll still continue doing what SHE wants to do. If she can get through the slew of criticism from journalists than she can get through the criticisms from her fans just fine.