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She definitely doesn't push boundaries but I don't think that boundaries constantly need to be pushed in music, a reason why I loved 4 so much and as you stated it's completely the opposite of new, she chose to make an old school R&B record instead of some dance music.
 
I do think if you are not writing your own music you can never be an artist just a singer.
Btw in my last post Herself was auto corrected to Wesley

Lets day lady gaga would return musically to Oh Well, Brown Eyes, Again Again or more like So Happy I Could Die I would like her! And visually / creatively like The Fame Part 1. I think there is always something sacred about an artist before they are famous, the music, writing, appearance. reason why we are so hung up on Lizzy Grant (difference bing I still like Lana)

Say It Right changed the world

A more extensive list of artist I hate for no reason
 
Ariana Grande
Ed Sheeran
Iggy Azaelea
Ellie Goulding

I feel personally victimized by Ariana Grande

It is stan wars I'm trying to fire it up. #DontSitOnTheFence

I hate that bitch you can tell that she fucking loves herself, and her acting, even by Disney channel standards, is atrocious.

A more extensive list of artist I hate for no reason
 
Ariana Grande
Ed Sheeran
Iggy Azaelea
Ellie Goulding

I feel personally victimized by Ariana Grande

It is stan wars I'm trying to fire it up. #DontSitOnTheFence

A more extensive list of artist I hate for no reason
 
Ariana Grande
Ed Sheeran
Iggy Azaelea
Ellie Goulding

A more extensive list of artist I hate for no reason
 
Ariana Grande
Ed Sheeran
Iggy Azaelea
Ellie Goulding

I feel personally victimized by Ariana Grande

I hate that bitch you can tell that she fucking loves herself, and her acting, even by Disney channel standards, is atrocious.

I can agree to a certain degree about Beyoncé. I think of all artists listed she is the most driven, yet she may not be the most creative. About the iconic music, no matter how good something is, unless its universally heard and successful it can't really become iconic IMO as its not recognisable or whatever. I think Beyoncé although may not have a wide library of "iconic" hits, whereas someone like Britney does. Beyonce is far more consistent and I think that's more important, she isn't a peer among rihanna, Katy perry, britney because I don't think her intentions are the same. She isn't looking for hits. She explained exactly this in Life is but a dream, discussing longevity instead of hit after hit.
 
The aura around her and Jay Z is weird. They've had the title of royalty bestowed on them, and people do look to them as gods (me included lol) partly for entertainment but they are a real power couple and both make great music IMO.
 
There is a great Destinys Child clip filmed in 1997 when Beyoncé would have been 14 or 15 whilst recording the album and the other band members are just goofing around like kids that they are and Beyoncé is just there for the business, she's carrying Wesley like a grown woman lol. I don't think she was much of a child, she had very pushy parents and I think she has always been driven, hard working and self aware and that's why I respect her!
Overall I think beyonce is just very talented
Not rihannas #PhuckYo rockstar attitude which she pushes so hard that she is even trying to convince herself

I'm so ready for lady gagas pretentious lyrics to make listeners the world over cringe

She definitely doesn't push boundaries but I don't think that boundaries constantly need to be pushed in music, a reason why I loved 4 so much and as you stated it's completely the opposite of new, she chose to make an old school R&B record instead of some dance music.
 
I do think if you are not writing your own music you can never be an artist just a singer.
Btw in my last post Herself was auto corrected to Wesley

I don't know what it is, I just can't get behind an artist that consistently says, "I want to be a legend". The consistency in which she says this and in which its evident makes it seem as though her music is an after-thought; she's chasing that legend status first and foremost. I really and truly believe that of Beyonce. I just don't understand why someone would have that be their primary focus instead of their craft and work, but hey, to each their own.
 
Her albums have a tendency to be mediocre (except for 4, I'm a sucker for old school R&B            ) I think Beyonce's artistry is sorely lacking. As you mentioned, she's not particularly creative. She's not a risk taker. She's the epitome of safe. She's too concerned with maintaining her current stature within music to ever do anything outside of the box, and to me, that exemplifies the "music is an after-thought, legend-status is of utmost importance" she seems to hold near and dear while making decisions. I just really think her music is suffering at the result of it. She doesn't need to have hits, but churning out mediocre album after mediocre album certainly isn't helping her cause imo.
 
I totally agree with you on her being the most driven artist in the industry right now. If I had Beyonce's drive, holy fuck, I could have a Phd right now. Or have published 4 novels. Or own my own business. Or be one of the most successful people in my area of expertise, whatever that may be.  We'd all be crazy successful if we had her work ethic 

I can agree to a certain degree about Beyoncé. I think of all artists listed she is the most driven, yet she may not be the most creative. About the iconic music, no matter how good something is, unless its universally heard and successful it can't really become iconic IMO as its not recognisable or whatever. I think Beyoncé although may not have a wide library of "iconic" hits, whereas someone like Britney does. Beyonce is far more consistent and I think that's more important, she isn't a peer among rihanna, Katy perry, britney because I don't think her intentions are the same. She isn't looking for hits. She explained exactly this in Life is but a dream, discussing longevity instead of hit after hit.
 
The aura around her and Jay Z is weird. They've had the title of royalty bestowed on them, and people do look to them as gods (me included lol) partly for entertainment but they are a real power couple and both make great music IMO.
 
There is a great Destinys Child clip filmed in 1997 when Beyoncé would have been 14 or 15 whilst recording the album and the other band members are just goofing around like kids that they are and Beyoncé is just there for the business, she's carrying Wesley like a grown woman lol. I don't think she was much of a child, she had very pushy parents and I think she has always been driven, hard working and self aware and that's why I respect her!
Overall I think beyonce is just very talented
Not rihannas #PhuckYo rockstar attitude which she pushes so hard that she is even trying to convince herself

Say It Right changed the world

Lets day lady gaga would return musically to Oh Well, Brown Eyes, Again Again or more like So Happy I Could Die I would like her! And visually / creatively like The Fame Part 1. I think there is always something sacred about an artist before they are famous, the music, writing, appearance. reason why we are so hung up on Lizzy Grant (difference bing I still like Lana)

Don't understand how some people say 4 was bad, it is sublime. That new haircut, tho

The driver was a 27 year old Italian female

Don't understand how some people say 4 was bad, it is sublime. That new haircut, tho

I totally think Mike stalks this thread. In fact I think he allegedly even made an account here and posted in this thread. It could be truly him We aren't creepy mike I swear  
Btw is lizzy the blonde hottie they talk about in comments? It must have been and he deleted the photo?
 
And Mike holding a can of PEPSI in photo 2...