West Coast

I don't know if this is the right thread, and it's probably been adressed before somewhere. But does anyone actually have a theory or maybe some tea so spill about what happened with Lana and Stella's personal (and professional) relationship?

Are we going to ignore the fact that Pretty When You Cry was literally done in one take? Like of course it's going to have slight flaws.
 
Sorry but on NFR they definitely had a different approach, not so much live takes, hence why it's weird that all these mistakes still came through while mastering the record?
You can already tell from the first 30 seconds of the title track that the production and mastering of the record was sloppy, you can literally hear Lana smacking her lips and the piano sounding hella tinny and her vocals sounding really flat/compressed when she goes for the high note halfway through the song.

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/2010s-readers-poll-results/

The people want UV, not Norbit Borefest.

West Coast........ a serve

Oh please, fans have been arguing on both threads, they (and also the iconic Norman Fucking Rockwell - Pre-release thread ) were chaotic and messy. But that's what us Lana fans do best, argue with one another, but unite when duty calls!
 
You bet your *ss I'll be campaigning for Lana to win all the Grammys, even though this is clearly not my favourite record!
 
                                                    

Oh please, fans have been arguing on both threads, they (and also the iconic Norman Fucking Rockwell - Pre-release thread ) were chaotic and messy. But that's what us Lana fans do best, argue with one another, but unite when duty calls!
 
You bet your *ss I'll be campaigning for Lana to win all the Grammys, even though this is clearly not my favourite record!
 
                                                    

Are we going to ignore the fact that Pretty When You Cry was literally done in one take? Like of course it's going to have slight flaws.
 
Sorry but on NFR they definitely had a different approach, not so much live takes, hence why it's weird that all these mistakes still came through while mastering the record?
You can already tell from the first 30 seconds of the title track that the production and mastering of the record was sloppy, you can literally hear Lana smacking her lips and the piano sounding hella tinny and her vocals sounding really flat/compressed when she goes for the high note halfway through the song.

Are we going to ignore the fact that Pretty When You Cry was literally done in one take? Like of course it's going to have slight flaws.
 
Sorry but on NFR they definitely had a different approach, not so much live takes, hence why it's weird that all these mistakes still came through while mastering the record?
You can already tell from the first 30 seconds of the title track that the production and mastering of the record was sloppy, you can literally hear Lana smacking her lips and the piano sounding hella tinny and her vocals sounding really flat/compressed when she goes for the high note halfway through the song.

WHITE HOT FOREVER is really Nfr! 2.0   Lana said that the sound will be similar to NFR! and know the pre-release thread turns into NFR! post-thread release.
 
WE CONTAIN MULTITUDES!! THATS WHY WE STAN LANA!!!!

 
 
JOIN THE FIGHT TONIGHT AT  9PM   NFR! HATERS  VS. NFR! LOVERS       AT THE YOSEMITE CHAPEL!!
AFTER THAT THIS THREAD WILL BE CLOSED AND YOU HAVE TO SEND YOUR HOPES AND WISHES YOU HAVE FOR WHITE HOT FOREVER TO THE UNIVERSE  

Am I the only  one in this goddamn forum who likes  fmwuttt , mpg and pwyc??? I love those tracks and fuck my way and mpg are meant to be sarcastic.
But we all have different taste and yeah  you can find on most of the albums some flaws but they can be amazing albums  even if there are not 1000% perfect in terms of production.
 
By the way: This thread gets a litle bit out of control        

I love the album and listen to it everyday. I can still hear the mistakes. They are not mutually exclusive.

That's kind of a weird statement, NFR was the result of Lana and Jack's collaboration. Surely if Lana had worked with someone else we would've had a completely different record from start to finish. 
 
I said what I said. There's a difference between the style of production Lana (and Jack) went for on this record, and what, for instance, Kevin Parker did on the first two records of Tame Impala. They are both completely different in style and execution. I don't mean to say that you are putting words in my mouth, but you kind of are. While I do firmly believe that NFR has a somewhat, and sorry for a lack of a better word, but "cheap" sound. On Lonerism, for instance, I feel the opposite. Just listen to his tracks Endors Toi and Apocalypse Dreams. They have definitely a Low-fi vibe, but they sound far from cheap, they are complex, with rich and balanced instrumentals. Not saying none of the tracks on NFR have good instrumentals though, but the execution was completely different, and somewhat sloppy in my honest opinion.

Ain't nothing wrong with Low-fi though? NFR is not Low-fi at all, to a certain extent maybe UV was. But what I dislike about NFR above all is how sloppy the end result was with a lot of songs. How tinny the piano sounds, how it lacks bass, how a lot of amateur-ish mistakes transpired in the mastering of the record, there are people that think it adds to the so called "charm" of the record, making it more "organic". I just feel like it makes a lot of the songs have this demo/unfinished "quality" to them.
 
Low-fi does certainly not equal cheap.
 
Also, I'd like to add that Lonerism is a Low-fi piece of art, literally one of the best, if not the best, psychedelic album released this decade. 
 

I do not find pleasure in the misery of others, but it's actually quite hilarious coming here and seeing you acting like Jack is the second coming over Christ and acting like NFR is Lana's only great album, just because the same sucky critics that overlooked Lana's entire discography up until now woke up from their long winter's nap and finally gave her some sort of recognition. Also, acting like this is literally her only interesting album. 
 
 
Jared you are the funniest, literally!
 

I do not find pleasure in the misery of others, but it's actually quite hilarious coming here and seeing you acting like Jack is the second coming over Christ and acting like NFR is Lana's only great album, just because the same sucky critics that overlooked Lana's entire discography up until now woke up from their long winter's nap and finally gave her some sort of recognition. Also, acting like this is literally her only interesting album. 
 
 
Jared you are the funniest, literally!
 

I very much feel that, I hope Lana gets her hearing abilities back ASAP. This new production/mastering approach is literally frightening, I mean for someone that claimed to spend months producing and mastering records, this is quite unbelievable.
 
I get that she wanted to make something lighter, more moody (?), but it literally sounds like bunch of demos back and front.
 
The attention to detail was left for dead in a ditch. 
 
Is there any hope for Lana to collab with someone else, maybe someone new? Like our Lord and saviour Kevin Parker? 
(I don't know if you guys are still talking, but Neil Krug can you match these two pleaaase?)

I do not find pleasure in the misery of others, but it's actually quite hilarious coming here and seeing you acting like Jack is the second coming over Christ and acting like NFR is Lana's only great album, just because the same sucky critics that overlooked Lana's entire discography up until now woke up from their long winter's nap and finally gave her some sort of recognition. Also, acting like this is literally her only interesting album. 
 
 
Jared you are the funniest, literally!
 

Sometimes I legit question whether or not you're troll and you actually agree with us, or you're literally trying to find a way to suck Jack's dick.

Where does this crap about Dan Auerbach being a macho man comes from? Last time I checked he literally fought for Lana to release Ultraviolence against execs at Interscope?? They both had nothing but good thing to say about each other from that time period. Sometimes having a little bit of a challenge in the studio is good for you, not always having a yes man agreeing with your every decisions. 
You're just pissed because Dan was actually able to create something Jack did not on NFR: an intricate, atmospheric and cohesive soundscape.
 
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I do not find pleasure in the misery of others, but it's actually quite hilarious coming here and seeing you acting like Jack is the second coming over Christ and acting like NFR is Lana's only great album, just because the same sucky critics that overlooked Lana's entire discography up until now woke up from their long winter's nap and finally gave her some sort of recognition. Also, acting like this is literally her only interesting album. 
 
 
Jared you are the funniest, literally!
 

I do not find pleasure in the misery of others, but it's actually quite hilarious coming here and seeing you acting like Jack is the second coming over Christ and acting like NFR is Lana's only great album, just because the same sucky critics that overlooked Lana's entire discography up until now woke up from their long winter's nap and finally gave her some sort of recognition. Also, acting like this is literally her only interesting album. 
 
 
Jared you are the funniest, literally!
 

Love it - this is what we need more of on this board. Free speech but also acceptance of difference in perspectives.

I guess I see where you're coming from. There were definitely mixing decisions I found to be out of place or weird on LFL, but my biggest complain about LFL would be that it had too much trap beats and collabs, which just felt weird for a Lana album, or her sound for that matter. Also a lot of the lyricism on LFL felt forced or just juvenile in my opinion. NFR is definitely a more mature album overall. 
 
I do not actually hate NFR, I just have a lot of complaints about it. I don't mean to sound hateful, there are definitely songs I love on this record, but overall there are a lot of artistic decisions that were made in the process that just don't make me enjoy this album to the fullest.

I guess I see where you're coming from. There were definitely mixing decisions I found to be out of place or weird on LFL, but my biggest complain about LFL would be that it had too much trap beats and collabs, which just felt weird for a Lana album, or her sound for that matter. Also a lot of the lyricism on LFL felt forced or just juvenile in my opinion. NFR is definitely a more mature album overall. 
 
I do not actually hate NFR, I just have a lot of complaints about it. I don't mean to sound hateful, there are definitely songs I love on this record, but overall there are a lot of artistic decisions that were made in the process that just don't make me enjoy this album to the fullest.

Appreciate the response. I guess I was just curious as to where you draw the line when it comes to the mixing errors you listed from being a stylistic choice. Because I remember we had a conversation about this before. All the criticisms you have about NFR sound right in line with how I feel about LFL. A record where I felt the presence of production errors actually came off as pretentious rather than artistic. I feel it actually it suits NFR but I see what you mean. +1 for Apocalypse Dreams