Lilybert

Thank you and i totally agree with you; also, we always should remember that, well, even though he is a harasser and a creep - harvey the hutt - but even the worst creep ever can't be a harasser all the fucking time; maybe he was nicer with her, and I'm not saying he is a good person for that, I'm just saying that he may didn't do any harm on her, or tried to date her, idk. Maybe Lana is annoyed that she considered him a good person for a while and then this came out.  Or she didn't gave two shits on him, they just talked money. Like you said, it's just speculation.
 
 
Thank you, again.

As a woman, I want to believe this (whatever "this" is - #MeToo? Sexual harassment brought up in media? ) but I know very well that this is not going to change a lot. Maybe it will change a tiny bit in the western world, but I doubt it. There will always be bastards out there, thinking they can do whatever they want to whoever they want. Just look at the effing US president. The way he acts and says clearly demonstrates to the public that it's "ok" to grab women "by the pussy".
Disgusting. And just thinking how millions(?) of girls and women are treated around the world is even more disgusting.
And honestly, I don't think I'll ever stop looking behind me, even if it's broad daylight and I'm alone on the street. And I'll probably never stop thinking that the guy a few meters behind me on the street might be a groper or a rapist. Even though I know he probably isn't and I shouldn't think like that. And I try to not walk faster because of him.
That's just how the world is, at least to me. I know something could happen and I don't want it to happen to me, or anyone else.
 
Sorry for going off topic.

i just wanna say that's it's unhelpful and quite dangerous to imply that Lana's past history & her self-professed penchant for older men makes it plausible or probable that she'd willingly submit to Weinstein's advances. it's one step short of victim blaming & gross speculation about a situation that we simply don't know whether was consensual or abusive, or if it even happened at all.
 
i've seen quite a few people in this thread write several variations of what essentially amounts to "Lana isn't the type to be abused", which is a naïve and sadly very incorrect take on how & why abuse happens. it's also pretty insensitive to speculate on consensuality based on her apparent friendly demeanor towards Weinstein, or the fact that some of her loved ones (namely her sister) seemed to have a cordial relationship with him at one point - taking a look at some of his proven victims' relationship with him over the years, all the smiling photos at industry events, etc. would suffice to prove my point.
 
lastly - maybe nothing happened, maybe it happened and was consensual, or maybe it wasn't. we'll probably never know for sure, or not for a very long time, and song lyrics definitely aren't the way to prove anything, especially not in someone as prone to fantasy & half-truths as Lana. i just want to add that trying to own/appropriate abusive events in order to try to regain some sort of control over the situation is a frequent victim response, so even if Cola and FMWUTTT are indeed celebrating something that happened with "Harvey", it doesn't necessarily mean her agency in the real life situations played out exactly like it does in the songs.

It's such bullshit that some of you are assuming Lana/Harvey relations are true. We don't know if it is, and we certainly won't find out through Lana's niche for ambiguous lyricism. We shouldn't pretend to be detectives using unreliable and circumstantial evidence to find out the intricacies of their relationship and whether or not it was abusive. Hopefully Lana will clear it up soon, but in the meantime let's not assume it's true? It's one thing to discuss this controversy but it's another to claim something as true when it has not proven to be. There are so many victims in this mess and it's all so horrible, so let's not count Lana in just yet? 

how do you know she was happy? as a survivor of sexual assault and had to live with my abuser for years, it's called "putting on a face"; which seems to be what many actresses did for YEARS.
 
she has a job to do.
 
i hope she didn't either. ugh!!!
 
for the musicians...i think she just likes their music.......as for Manson...you realize she's a writer right?
 
i think we have to remember that Fuck My Way Up to the Top is sung with ALOT of sass if you listen to it. She sounds kind of pissed off. so even if it was consensual, doesn't mean she had to have liked it.
 
 
also, i thought that line in Cola was a reference to a Beatles song? Maybe they just did drugs together. Maybe she did try to fuck her way up to the top. we won't know unless she tells us, and frankly and unfortunately, it's not our business whether she had sex with him willingly or unwillingly. If she is a survivor of this (we should really stop calling them victims, they're fucking survivors and bad ass bitches for coming forward, okay?) and she decides to speak out, than I will praise her for it.
 
in the mean time, I'll still enjoy both songs since they could 100% not be about this fucker. Harvey in Cola could be made up, and she probably has fucked tons of people in general anyway. (didn't she date a producer or something like that?)

Oh, what can I do
life is beautiful but you don't have a clue 
sun and ocean blue
the magnificence 
it don't make sense to you

A big THANK YOU for this thread. For starters:
 
In the name of higher consciousness
I let the best man I knew go
'Cause it's nice to love and be loved
But it's better to know all you can know
 
It's the least Lana-esque lyric she ever wrote but it resonates with me to a crazy point. Not everything is about loving and being loved - there are plenty of non-romantic things to experience. Also: both of my exes had a problem with my longing for the unknown and being a free spirit, they couldn't pin me down, I seek fresh things super quick, so for Lana to capture the issue with 4 simple verses is a blast

This is the thread for expressing your love for specific Lana lyrics and why they feel special to you! We all love her songs... but is there a certain part of any of them that makes your fan heart beat a little extra?
I'll start!
 
Get Free
There's no more chasing rainbows and hoping for an end to them
Their arches are illusions, solid at first glance
But then you try to touch them
There's nothing to hold onto
The colors used to lure you in and put you in a trance
 
Why it's extra special to me:
First of all, I'm simply amazed that Lana wrote this. It's so beautiful and illustrates a feeling very well. Something that I've been feeling too. That you try to stay on course for your goal, you were so into reaching them.... and you may never reach them... or if you finally did, it wasn't like you thought it would be and your dreams and goals just shatter. And then you're kinda lost because you don't know where to go or what to do now. And boy, I feel so lost and confused in this moment of my life.
It's just so beautiful to me.

I feel very weird about this because Lana of course can do whatever she wants in her life and I don't want to preach @@her, especially since it's just now that i've heard about weinstein's doings but i know she has a knack for getting herself into dangerous situations, especially with men. So imagining her and harvey makes my blood freeze, even tho it shouldn't be my business. 
 
He was clearly a huge admirer of her in 2012, I can only hope he kept his lecherousness for himself. At least we know she went off making an album with a much different sound (so we know she wasn't trying to surf on the craze around btd/pe/ss remix vibes) and didn't consider going for a career in acting or movies. So maybe that suggests she took some distance from all that? 
 
I don't want this to have happened, who knows.... 
 
 
 

I listen to Honeymoon more often to ease my anxiety. Art Deco, Swan Song, and Salvatore are so beautiful. I do understand why some people aren't in love with it though. I have to be in a certain mood to listen to it.

Listened to Honeymoon the other day and kinda thought it was better than I expected. I think It's the type of album that kinda gets better with time and people will appreciate it more.
 
The fact it came straight after Ultraviolence (that ended kinda...abruptly) was something that kinda helped the hate. People weren't over it yet and then Honeymoon came like a trainwreck and people still mourning til today.
 
Deep down, it's a really great album. Maybe missing a few standouts\highlights that we do have on all the other albuns but still, it's great as a record in full.

Just found this article on a French page about Lizzy Grant and her beginnings as Lana Del Rey.
 
http://www.greenroom.fr/117948-lana-del-rey-lizzy-grant/
 
I translated it with Google and there's a few mistakes, for example, it changes the word "her" to "his", but I'll post here anyways bc it could be interesting for some people like it was for me (: 
 
Lana Del Rey has released Lust for Life , her fourth album. A record where the American remembers her life before, when she was still only Lizzy Grant. A young student at Fordham University with a devastating charisma, at ease in a New Jersey mobile home, determined to become a "successful artist . " Thing promised due thing. A story of a young New Yorker who has been dreaming.   Aaron Peer talks about it with a chuckle. The embarrassed laughter of the one who saw nothing coming. "We were all four in a car to go from one movie set to another: Benham, Charlie, Lizzy and me . " In June 2010, in New Jersey, the small team then had only a few days to shoot what would be the last personal project of Aaron, a film student in New York: Poolside . More precisely, 12 minutes and 19 seconds of a short film that tells a slow drift involving two pool cleaners, a break-in, and a summer idyll by the chlorinated swimming pool of a large mansion. A classic short film for this graduate student. Except that in this simple journey, on an anonymous road of New Jersey, nothing was truly banal. At the front on the passenger seat, Lizzy, with fair hair and a candid look, offers the boys to put on music. "Lizzy then put his songs on and said, 'Hey, that's stuff I'm working on,' says Aaron, who only cares about music. I was mostly mentally building my film . " Benham Jones was on the trip as well. And his memory is a little more precise. "The first song Lizzy gave us that day in the box was 'Video Games'. The second, 'This Is What Makes Us Girls'. We all found his pieces very cool. But we obviously had no idea what was going to happen, " he said. Lizzy, who took control of the CD player from the passenger seat is no longer an unknown as Benham recalls: "It was Lizzy Grant. The one that was to become Lana Del Rey a few months later " .   How could the future US pop star, 25 years old at the time, have found herself playing in an amateur film with a budget of just 400 dollars? Perhaps because she had "loved the script" as Aaron said, who had spotted it with a pixelated video taken at the Mercury Lounge in New York some time before. Perhaps also thanks to her personality, and "the very specific way she had to speak," according to the same Aaron. And most of all because all of them were studying in the same buildings at Fordham University in the Bronx. Media and communication for Aaron, philosophy for Lizzy. The best speaker of the time is Benham Jones, producer of Poolside , and friend of the young woman: "At university she began to discover a lot of music: folk, shoegaze, punk. We listened to local bands such as Des Ark, Mirah, The Blow and Rainer Maria. She had been saying for a while that she wanted to make music . Benham is busy with an associative space on the campus of their college, the Rodrigue's Coffee House. "Lizzy often came with her guitar and she was playing songs for us," he said. It is in this improvised concert hall that an audience will hear for the first time titles like "Yayo" or "Kill Kill".   The queen of the sofa   June 2007. Brooklyn, New York. Van Wilson passes a head in one of the many songwriter contests that swarm in the Williamsburg neighborhood. He is then headhunter for the indie label 5 Points Records. When it was the turn of the young Lizzy Grant, author of a demo-album called Sirens in 2005 under the pseudonym May Jailer, to present her texts in the club of Northsix in the framework of the Williamsburg Live Songwriting Competition, his telephone. David Nichtern, the label's owner, remembers: "We signed a contract with her in June. She told me 'I want to be a successful artist' " . Much more assured in his remarks than in his first performances on stage, according to his first producer. "The first time we met her, she played the guitar with only two fingers," he smiled. Why sign the young artist so quickly then? David Nichtern does not hesitate for a second: his charisma. "When I saw her, it was a bit like seeing the hidden girl of Leonard Cohen and Marylin Monroe. She had something very feminine and theatrical that I did not often see, so much so that I had even thought of proposing her to my contacts in the cinema if she did not break into music . He draws a relentless argument, proof by three: "1 - She was charismatic. 2 - She knew it. 3 - She was convinced to become a great star. And she was right . "   She composed these first songs between her mobile home in New Jersey in which she had decided to live, and the apartments of friends where she sometimes failed, like that of Benham. In 2012, she rewound with chuckling: "My mother nicknamed me the 'Queen of the sofa' at that time . " Thanks to a $ 10,000 advance by 5 points, she has to set up a first album and tour New York's small halls. Problem, it is not facing a public that Lizzy feels most comfortable. Still in 2012, she even explained that she was "writer before being a stage singer. To go on stage is against my nature, I am not an exhibitionist . " It will, however, run counter to nature, the bars and open mics of New York for several years. After four good years of galley, without seeing her career take off, the young woman is thinking of making a 180 degree turn. While his first album is finally ready to go out (in general indifference) in January 2010, Grant asks at the last minute to David Nichtern to add the pseudo Lana Del Ray (with an "a") on the cover. A few weeks later, she contacted him to change his name to Lana Del Rey (with an "e"). Before you simply ask that the disc be removed from the market. "Lizzy then told us that she wanted to change the disc and add some songs while we loved it as it was. We had an artistic disagreement, " recalls David Nichtern. He sighed, plunged into his bad memories: "It was a quite special time. She wanted to change her music, change her name, change her manager ... "   The new phase of his career will finally begin. The arrival of a duo of English managers, Ben Mawson and Ed Millet, met a few months ago, will change the situation. "Once she signed with her English managers, Lizzy began working on new songs," says David Nichtern. She was going in a new direction with a much larger sound than her album was about to release . Hence his request to remove his first disc from the circulation that no longer corresponded to him, according to her. When David Nichtern evokes the episode, everything seems to have finally ended amicably: "I am also a musician and producer, and I always wanted to leave a total artistic freedom to my artists. So I told him 'do what you want to do' and we signed a contract to leave in good terms . Lana Del Rey is more critical: at Nylon magazine in 2012, she will present 5 Points Records as a label where "it was not happening" while she will express other reproaches to GQ the same year: "My first album was was completed in 2008. But my label waited three years to get it. They thought a record company would buy it but it did not happen. So they took it out themselves. Except that I had moved on to something else . " So far from the bars and open mics of New York.   Between London and New York   Before launching this shift more public, Lizzy tried a little detour by the cinema. And Poolside , then. The director Aaron Peer and his friends remember a detail: the songs that the future Lana Del Rey makes them listen to on the CD player of their car did not come from America, but from Europe. "They had been registered in London," says Aaron Peer. "She did not really live in New Jersey at the time," said Benham Jones. She traveled back and forth between London, New York and Los Angeles . Lizzy Grant has been released for a few months on a new sofa: his manager Ben Miller, in the English capital, to work on new tracks with different producers (Justin Parker, Chris Braide, Biff Stannard ...) in studios loaned by the label Sony ATV. On Twitter and Facebook at the end of 2010 and in 2011, the young woman alternates between quotations from John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Frank Sinatra, and messages in which she expresses her enthusiasm to work with several producers in London. As the Dazed magazine Justin Parker tells, "Sony had a studio to compose that they lent us, but not on weekdays because I was nobody and neither was it at the time. So we were composing songs on Saturday afternoons out there when she could come from New York . " It is during these sessions that she will write in February 2011 "Video Games" in the presence of Justin Parker before tweeting the words a few weeks later in general indifference.     Lana and producer Chris Braide In the corridors of Universal, one begins to speak of the young woman: the American major will try to introduce the singer to the general public by proposing to Mando Diao, a pop group of Swedish renowned in his country, invite the singer at one of their acoustic concerts for MTV at the end of 2010. For several days, the New Yorker joined them in their studio in the suburbs of Stockholm. "Universal was already talking a lot of it internally back then," the group recalled. It was based in London and they were trying to market it all over Europe. We were looking for young talents for our MTV Unplugged and they came to us to offer us a collaboration with it . In the same way, the Guardian's musical editorial team receives nineteen titles of the singer "made with different producers" sent by "his team" at the beginning of 2011, without further details.     What is the basis for accusations of the artist's manipulation by a major at the beginning of his career? Those who have known Lizzy Grant in his younger years say the opposite. "There really was a big misunderstanding when we began to say that it was ridden from scratch by a label at the time of Video Games," says his former collaborator David Nichtern. He looks amused: "For working with her, I can tell you that he is an extremely stubborn and obstinate person who reflects on all aspects of his art . " Benham Jones, who has seen her evolve since her debut, does not say the opposite from New York: "Yes, Lana was surrounded by producers at the time of its explosion. But they just helped her assert her world because technically she was not a seasoned musician . " He adds: "But what should not be forgotten is that it was she, all alone in her New York room, who invented a mythology around the character Lana Del Rey with her music and videos on iMovie " . Memories of his young years return. "When 'Born To Die' came out, people said she could not sing, she'd been up and down, blablabla ... It made me crazy to hear that: I knew Lana's music was the craziest thing I'd seen in the coffee shop at Fordham University . " Crazy, and lucrative, too: more than five years after its release in 2012, Born To Die is still the fourth album of the decade most present in the charts.    

I’ve always loved song titles that aren’t used as lyrics in the song, like Old Money and Cruel World. they give an atmosphere, an added layer to the song

There was a time we didnt have UV
 
 
ew

As @trashmagics suggested on the ''Lust For Life - Pre-Release Thread'' here it is our ''Thirst for Life Is Beautiful Discussion'' thread.

 
I know there's some of you, like me, who can't wait to listen to the full song. So, please, let's talk about it, share rumours, share what we expect from the full song etc.
I really hope it comes on LFL, for sure it fits this album.

 
LIB haters: please, step back 

Honeymoon has been a completely forgettable record for me, I do like a few songs but even those I find myself changing after the second verse. I love that she chose a more mature sound for that record but I actually think it was too mature for me. I rarely ever listen to anything from it.

This is why I'm on LanaBoards, tbh.

pictures of Lana from 2010 always look so low quality and like they're from the 90s

wtf and i thought i knew all the stuff that ~~everyone knows~~ about lana
 
goddamit i didn't know shit about her relationships with that guys from NYC (arthur lynn and shit, i knew a few only)
 
i always thought that K, Ray and stuff were only her gangsta fantasies etc lol
 
and yeah
 
 
 
THIS IS A GREAT THEORY
 
example for golden skin is AMERICAN: "Your skin so golden brown"

all this time I thought it was a white man. whew those lightskin references FLEW over my head

I did something small for fun and brought the best website on the internet back to life 

 

https://lanavault.tumblr.com/lizzigrant

 



 

I made all of the elements as true to the original as possible.

 



 

(Lizzigrant.com as seen September 2005)

 

I know this isn't a new discovery, I just wanted to bring it to life and start  a discussion on it.

 

One thing that I can't be sure of is what exactly the image and link at the bottom are. I'm guessing by listing A Course In Miracles, Lana was just putting her favourite things / current interests on this page, and considering the image below is a square, it's likely it's an album or another book.

 

To me, it looks like the hyperlink below it says "God & Man" or "Good Mom" lol

 

The picture itself looks like a menu or bill on a restuarnt table and says "To C____y" at the top??

I'd love to know what you guys make of it. 

 

Still a better song than Katy's or Taylor's

I completely understand what you're saying with this, Zayn suffers with Anxiety and as a result hardly ever performs live and has never gone on tour.
 
Just remember though it's not like Lana just goes on tour for her fans, its part of her job (she doesn't have to tour obviously) and she probably earns a lot of money from doing so, therefore its not so bad that fans have certain expectations from her set, especially when you compare her set to other pop stars who are currently touring at the moment. I'm not saying that some people are being a bit unjustified with their opinions of her and her touring, but some people have genuine concerns when it comes to how short the setlist is etc and are not attacking her.
 
Tbh as well she seems to really enjoy performing on tour these days too. 

here's an article about set lists: http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2013/10/31/242155242/the-good-listener-how-long-is-the-perfect-concert
 
AGAIN, she could NOT TOUR AT ALL if she wanted to.
 
mental health conditions kinda stay with you, but alright.
 
 
and yes i will defend her, because I am a fan, and sometimes it feels like i might be the only own. half the people here shit on here all the fucking time.
there are artists that have been singing the same fucking set set list since the 90s/early 2000s.

Stop injecting your cheeks bitch