TRENCH

Make me howl like a cow yeah moooo-ooh
I know cows don't howl but I just wanna get down 
 
 
 
 
why

Make me howl like a cow yeah moooo-ooh
I know cows don't howl but I just wanna get down 
 
 
 
 
why

Make me howl like a cow yeah moooo-ooh
I know cows don't howl but I just wanna get down 
 
 
 
 
why

Make me howl like a cow yeah moooo-ooh
I know cows don't howl but I just wanna get down 
 
 
 
 
why

Drama 

Interviews that appear to just parrot her claims, yes, but concrete information? No. Though I'm not sure what could constitute concrete proof other than a copy of her diploma, a graduation convocation ceremony program listing her name, or information from Fordham saying she graduated. 
I wouldn't say the general consensus is that she didn't graduate. Along with @, I'm probably one of the leading skeptics, and I'd put the odds that she graduated from Fordham well above 50/50.
 
That said, the fact that she habitually misstates her field of study while simultaneously speaking shallowly and unintelligently about it in interviews makes me somewhat skeptical about her academic claims. (She routinely says her degree was in metaphysics, a major Fordham does not offer and did not offer when she attended there. It is certainly plausible that she majored in philosophy, as the song "Aviation" suggests, possibly with an emphasis in metaphysics, but her degree, if she obtained one, would have been in philosophy.) Another possible reason for some skepticism is the timeline of her recording AKA. A Fordham article about a campus gig she played says she was a junior in the spring of 2007 and she started recording AKA in the fall. David Nichtern, head of 5 Points Records, confirms this timeline, implying she recorded it during her senior year of college, and graduated, but the question is did she? Was she able to record AKA while going to school? Maybe. In a German interview she said the album was recorded at night.
 
At any rate, here's an interview quote suggesting she did graduate:
 
The Age, May 10, 2014

And here's another one supporting the timeline above:
 
NYT, June 15, 2014

The link's dead, but another user found a MySpace comment by a Fordham student that said Lizzy came back to campus to play her music in her class, referring to her as an "alum":

(Hmm, I wonder if this was a class taught by Mark Naisson.) 
And here's a Buzzfeed article that suggests she didn't graduate, but provides no sourcing (plus I wonder if it's a feedback loop problem echoing skepticism from this community):

Honestly I really don't understand why she bothers over Iggy. Iggy's annoying and a total racist, I agree. But I mean if you look at the sorta stuff AB has said in the past on twitter about Jews, and other discouraging posts she's no angel herself.
I get why the fake accent would offend her, I get why the "runaway slave master" comment offended her, but Iggy's harmless bubble gum pop. She'll be irrelevant faster than you can say sophmore record.
Why can't white people rap though?
Hip Hop will always be rooted in black culture, but as it's becoming more of a commercial genre of course there are some white rappers out there today.
The blues/Jazz originates in black culture, AB has no problem with Lana Del Rey borrowing from those genres.
I agree with AB on a lot of issues. Iggy just never really seemed like an issue to me. She's more a nuissance and AB shouldn't be wasting her time on her.

I want both because I'm greedy 

I'm legit crying
I have never cried over a CD pack
I am not being sarcastic
God bless you

baby :')))
 

 

for god's sake...

She just needs to get her shit back together, deliver good music and visuals, stop always being so passive agressive in interviews, quit the tacky clothing and getting rid of some pounds.
Girl needs a new, GOOD stylist as desperately as I need somebody to breed me tonight. That's all.

When I made this thread, I did not anticipate it becoming a Chris Crocker and Lizzy Grant misc pics thread.

The photo used in this MTWBT art is from the book cover of "Brooklyn Boys by Danny Fitzgerald & Les Demi Dieux. When I saw the cover I immediately thought of MTWBT and recreated it in with Lana's style for it.
 


And I figured I'd make the art for Honeymoon a bit satirical. I imagine a long time married husband who does nothing but drink and watch TV.

You really think so? I'm flattered. 
 
When she released Electra Heart I was just starting to get into Charli, and since Marina took such a long hiatus after EH and during it kept making "sellout" moves and coming off as more contrived, I hopped on Charli as my new fave. But I would definitely say Marina is back full force. She is undeniably the queen of pop. 

Well I got my FROOT: Acoustics cover finally
 

@ because he's good at making the right people mad LOL

FADER - June/July 2014

Her portrayal of those relationships, though, has prompted mixed reviews among feminists. Some criticize the way she seems to idealize powerlessness and servitude, while others appreciate her fluid embodiment of different identities, as well as her candor about both her desire and her weakness. In any case, her comments on the subject will be disappointing for both camps:

“For me, the issue of feminism is just not an interesting concept,” she says.  “I’m more interested in, you know, SpaceX and Tesla, what’s going to happen with our intergalactic possibilities. Whenever people bring up feminism, I’m like, god. I’m just not really that interested.”

Fortunately, her ambivalence about politics doesn’t undo any subversiveness that may be embedded in her work (though, nor does it excuse any ill it may cause). When pressed, she adds, more illuminatingly,

“My idea of a true feminist is a woman who feels free enough to do whatever she wants.”

***

THE NEW YORK TIMES - June 12, 2014

A recurring criticism was that her songs about being swept away by love were anti-feminist in their passivity; she contends that she was writing about private, immediate feelings, not setting out doctrine.

“For me, a true feminist is someone who is a woman who does exactly what she wants,” she said. “If my choice is to, I don’t know, be with a lot of men, or if I enjoy a really physical relationship, I don’t think that’s necessarily being anti-feminist. For me the argument of feminism never really should have come into the picture. Because I don’t know too much about the history of feminism, and so I’m not really a relevant person to bring into the conversation. Everything I was writing was so autobiographical, it could really only be a personal analysis.”

***

During her Ultraviolence promotional interviews, Lana Del Rey was attacked by the media for not being a feminist, which relied heavily on the soundbite “Whenever people bring up feminism, I’m like, god. I’m just not really that interested.”

How is this an admission of not being a feminist?  Is the lack of interest in discussing feminism tantamount to not being a feminist?  Further when you add in both the statements from Fader and New York Times, it is clear that Lana does have a sense of what feminism is to her:  “My idea of a true feminist is a woman who feels free enough to do whatever she wants.”  &  “For me, a true feminist is someone who is a woman who does exactly what she wants,”
 
Aren’t these sentiments that Lana describes the basis of feminism?

She further clarifies that “Because I don’t know too much about the history of feminism, and so I’m not really a relevant person to bring into the conversation.”

Furthermore, multiple statements from people who have worked with Lana (Dan Auerbach, Emile Haynie, Rick Nowels,  Dan Heath) all talk about how much control she exerts over her creative and production process.

While Lana may be a reluctant figure of feminism, where does all this hate from the feminist community come from?  (Jezebel, Ms., Kim Gordon, etc.)

The way Kim comes for Lana is a little bit personal. Sounds like the problem rests with her, taking the Ride video 100% literally, wishing Lana would kill herself, whining about the fact that Lana isn't interested in carrying the burden of always being a feminist role model.
 
Lana built her own career, writes her own music, has a mind of her own, and never tries to pretend she is perfect. Sounds like a pretty strong woman to me.  She's open about her fantasies and honest - to a fault - about the things she feels. I bet if someone were to open up Kim's brain and find all of the secrets she's harbored in there, we could make plenty of comments about Kim's relationship with feminism or her own private fantasies/thoughts.
 
Her commenting safely from the pages of a memoir on someone else, seemingly for no reason other than to make an example of someone, well... like I said, sounds like she's got the problem, not Lana. Sorry if Lana makes you uncomfortable but hey, you slammed a very popular artist to make yourself (and your book) find some rumblings of attention, so congratulations but I see right through it.

Hew is this irrelevant person?

This article seems to cite *significant* modifications to the initial quote about Lana Del Rey. It also seems to be saying the context for Lana Del Rey quote in Kim's autobiography was in her saying LDR was some kind of logical outgrowth from Madonna's take on feminism: 
 
http://diffuser.fm/kim-gordon-lana-del-rey-memoir/
 
This article seems to be doing damage control on behalf of Kim:
http://www.vogue.com/11368171/kim-gordon-interview-girl-in-a-band-memoir/
Of course, misogyny accusations and ignorance accusations (about the importance of specific artists and their specific work) cuts both ways.
 
I guess my final feelings can be summed up in a joke:
 
Did you hear the one about the Ride youtube comment that got lost and found its way into Kim Gordon's autobiography? No wait a minute; it's not a joke; it actually happened. 
 
The quote modifications take a bit of the bite out of the joke, though.

She's protective of Frances Cobain, ergo she completely trashes Courtney Love, the girl's fucking mother, and implies she's mentally ill?
The bigger question should be why is this repugnant woman still talking?
She got the attention she wanted for her book, idiots everywhere are applauding her for her "wit" in suggesting a young woman kill herself, and she did all of it without getting half the public backlash Lana gets for showing up to an interview without a forced pearly smile.
Love how just a few days ago she was smugly retweeting Lana fans like their expressions of disgust were the height of hilarity now she's awkwardly trying to dig herself out of a hole. Also this was NOT a cat fight, Lana took no part in this. This was one feeble older woman viciously slandering a harmless 29 year old younger woman (whom she'd never even met) and disguising it as feminist commentary.

The lawyers / editors seemingly must have in their better judgement, made Kim remove the "off" comment and it is not in the book. It was an amazing naïve statement for Kim to make.
But you know what, it shows how popular Lana is- Kim created this whole controversy so she hoped Lana's fans would buy the book and even if Lana's fans don't, Kim had hoped the controversy would
get others to hear about the book and they would buy it.
 
That is why all these older artists from decades ago are gravitating to Lana, and also why brand new artists namecheck Lana (though in cases like Sam Smith and Lorde, after they hit fame themselves, they seem to forget how much they got from Lana). Without Lana, neither of the two would even have made a record.
 
But when one is unique like Lana is, everyone wants to be in her world.
Lana is so magnanimous, watch her offer Kim an opening slot on her tour at some point.