Divisive Princess

"She made special mention of one such individual, Jane Powers. “She’s a real estate agent. I met her seven years ago in New York and I loved her. I really wanted to be a singer. I would say, ‘I don’t know what’s going to happen.’ She’d say, ‘God didn’t save you from drowning just to beat you up on the shore. All you really need is patience when you have persistence.’ She’s just an angel.”
 
https://entertainment.inquirer.net/163131/lana-del-rey-i-was-very-wild#ixzz6TQFKRec6

Wow this is a goldmine. How have I never seen this

People lose facial volume as they age, also they lose facial volume if they lose weight (using ozempic or not), hope this helps. 
 

the ozempic topic is TIRED. move it to reddit or twitter. i'm sick of hearing about her weight speculation. the majority of people on this forum don't give a shit. as someone who has struggled with my own body issues, and i have family members and friends who are on ozempic, it's actually really benefiting their mental and physical health - there is ZERO reason to speculate on Lana's weight. 1) you don't know if she is, and if even she is, 2) you don't konw why. period. PERIOD. there are so many reasons to take these medications. enough. and this is the marriage topic. what are u even doing?

You guys are sooo so weird like maybe u should blame people stalking her idk ??? anyways this topic is so unserious it should have been closed for good

I wasn't really planning on getting involved in this shitshow of a discussion, but it feels a little like @KeiichiDelRey is getting dogpiled for an opinion that I share and think is super reasonable. 
 
I think discussing publicly available material like Jeremy's Facebook posts is fair game, given that he chose to make that public (unfortunately ). However, there's a lot of running wild with paparazzi pics and stalker videos, which is where I feel a line gets crossed. Obviously, we don't have to act like those pics/vids don't exist, but I don't know, maybe use some tact! Lana has clearly tried to maintain some privacy throughout this important time in her life, and regardless of your opinion of Jeremy, it feels kind of uncool to take such invasive content and run with it.
 
As for the Ozempic commments... come on, y'all. Weight loss drugs, whether they're involved or not, did not make Lana get married  I don't know how anyone listened to a song like A&W and then feels comfortable making such confident claims about Lana's body. It has no relevance, and I don't think discussing it brings anything meaningful or interesting to the table. 
 
I have complicated feelings about this whole situation like so many of us, but we can strike a better tone than what's been happening in this thread 

whats with the obsession with ozempic that so many you guys are on?
sis literally have her muscle buffed and look like she can literally lift a fucking truck with her bare hands. Look at the shape of her body - that's her working the shit out at the gym for hours, not ozempic.

I'll never forget my first listen, she made a lot of people feel so seen with this track and i'm so glad she put it out 

I come back here for few minutes because found this old Huffpost interview with Lizzy Grant from 2009. I don't know if this has been discovered here before but I thought I might share it for good vibes because this is a such a cool interview.
 
Interview: Singer/Songwriter Lizzy Grant on Cheap Thrills, Elvis, The Flamingos, Trailer Parks, and Coney Island
Lizzy Grant: "I like things that go fast, things with bright colors, things that taste good. At Coney Island, you can get a Coca Cola, ride the roller coaster, and watch everybody."
By Felicia C. Sullivan, Contributor
Author, "The Sky Isn't Visible from Here"
Feb 20, 2009, 05:12 AM EST
 
New York City songstress Lizzy Grant makes her debut into the music world with a video for her single, "Kill Kill." Armed with her three-track EP, devastatingly retro-sexy look, and haunting, soulful voice, Grant is one to watch in 2009. Lizzy Grant is the kind of singer/songwriter that walks into your home and has no intentions of leaving. And just when you were about to draw an easy comparison to Cat Power, Billie Holiday, or Aimee Mann, Grant's voice pulls the proverbial rug right from under you.
Grant's music is impossibly original, her sound decidedly anti-genre: the songs on her splendid debut, Kill Kill offer an eclectic mix of jazz, pop, electronica, rock, blues and hopeful melancholy. Her videos are quirky, odd, magical and infatuated with Americana. And while scores of other artists attempt to craft pithy esoteric poetry, Grant's lyrics are wholly dark, elegant, and beautiful.
 
Where is the strangest place you've ever performed? Ever written a song?
LG: Strangest performance: Alone in a basement for a handsome record executive.
Strangest ever written: Back at his office while I was making out with him.
 
I love that Coney Island figures so much on this album, indirectly or otherwise. You feel the evocation of a place in Brooklyn, New York that's at once a symbol of the beautiful and macabre. A place that has this magical boardwalk but also a ghoulish House of Horrors. A place that's real but isn't -- a place that symbolizes escape. Can you talk about why the amusement park was a touchstone of the new record?
LG: I like that, "...real but isn't." All the good stuff is real but isn't, myself included.
Coney Island is a place people go to escape, but whatever you choose to be your reality is your reality. So, in a way it's just as real as anything else. I mainly let my imagination be my reality. Fantasy is my reality.
 
I never saw Coney Island when it had all its big attractions, but there was something desperate about the boardwalk, and I related. There was no end in sight to it, and there were people in bars you didn't know were there. Maybe the amusement park was the touchstone because I have such a history with cheap thrills. I like things that go fast, things with bright colors, things that taste good. At Coney Island, you can get a Coca Cola, ride the roller coaster, and watch everybody.
 
As an author I often tell people that I'm sometimes more influenced by a David Eggleston photo or a Nick Cave song as opposed to immersing in the work of other writers. In the end, I find my influences or inspirations where I can. If a song or image gets me where I want to go, I'm happy. So where do you find your influences and inspirations? Who or what affects the songs you write? The videos you produce?
LG: It seems to be that way for me too. Mark Ryden's pictures drive me crazy, and Vegas makes me shine. Daytona and the Jersey Shore just kill me. Yes. Even pictures of other performers do it for me. I knew Elvis' songs would be the soundtrack to my life as soon as I laid eyes on his photograph. I know when I love something as soon as I see it. Then, I write about it. Speaking of Elvis, it's unfair not to mention the Beach Boys and The Flamingos as my other constant companions.
 
My mood affects the songs and videos I make the most. Only when I'm in a good enough mood will I write about, and film, myself. I definitely won't get on camera when I'm not feeling hopeful.
 
What I love most about Kill Kill is my inability to easily classify it, to place it in any one genre. It's blues, but it's jazz, and it's also pop. "Yayo," for instance, is more haunting and melodic, while "Gramma" has more of pop feel. When writing these songs, were you conscious of your sound's direction? Of what form each song will take?
LG: Writing to me doesn't feel that much different from talking, and my new shrink says that I talk differently from most people he sees. Maybe that has something to do with why the songs sound unique.
I knew how the songs felt to me, but I was surprised when they translated the right way to other people. It's the only thing I've ever done the right way.
 
My producer, David Kahne, and me got along very well because he knew that I lived in my songs, and so he just tried to make them better. He asked me in a letter what I wanted the record to sound like, and I said, "I want it to sound famous, like a sad party." He thought that was a wonderful idea, and we began working the next day. I like to think we're birds of a feather.
 
Many artists today are deliberate in the way their image is packaged and how their music is positioned. Their sound is neatly manufactured; one sometimes wonders if lyrics were written by committee. And then there are other artists -- renegades and risk-takers. Their sound is a hybrid of genres; their videos are odd, magical, unexpected -- a visual representation of the songs and stories in the artist's head. I dare say that I'd include you in the latter. Your music is organic and daring in the way that artists who try to find their story, work out their obsessions, and find themselves, often is. Have you considered yourself an artist who refuses to color in the lines? How important is it for one to be as unpackaged as possible?
LG: I guess I haven't colored in the lines of a corporate picture, but making up the rules for myself comes with just as many problems as following someone else's. It's not important to me to be unpackaged. If it looks like I don't know what I'm doing, it's because I don't. But, if someone came along with a better idea of how to do things, I would take it.
 
I think obsession is a good word to talk about. I live in my obsessions and then the music comes from there. Living that way and writing from that place doesn't make for a "color in the lines" mold. And yet, the songs and the videos and the image go together well because they all come from the same place. So, maybe I'm not deliberate about the packaging, but I am deliberate at trying to do things that I adore.
 
Would it be safe to say that the songs on Kill Kill tell the story of precocious, but strong-willed woman on display -- whose uncertain of herself and how unique she truly is - trapped in a dismal trailer park, and her dreams of escape, of being whisked away by the good, decent man she deserves?
LG: Well, I would say I do well on display. . . as long as I don't have to talk. So that part is true. But, no one has put me there. I know what I'm good at and what I'm not good at. I write about what I know, and I know about putting on a show.
 
I didn't feel trapped in a trailer park. I felt trapped before I got to the trailer park because I had nowhere to live. When I got my trailer, everyone there had the same taste as I did. We all liked giant, lush, fake flower gardens and liked to decorate the walls with streamers even if it wasn't our birthday. I couldn't have been happier there. Before that, I did dream of escaping. I always just figured it was gonna be a man who would take me away. I don't know if I deserve a good man, but I think about it sometimes.
 
Did you know that as with other Long Island barrier islands, Coney Island was virtually overrun with rabbits (which makes me think of children) in the 1600s- Coney Island's name was actually derived from the Dutch Conyne Eylandt, and rabbit hunting was common until the resorts were developed? And then in the 1800s it became a resort, a refuge from daytrippers wanting to escape Manhattan summers?
LG: I didn't know that! Saying that it reminds you of children reminds me of the story "Runaway Bunny." I love bunnies.
 
From American flags and classic cars in the "Kill Kill" to Calico Hills, Las Vegas, sparklers, Planet Hollywood and images of you as a flower child and Marilyn in "Yayo" -- your videos have such a wonderfully nostalgic, classic American feel. Even the way the videos are shot is retro -- at times you feel as if you're transported back to 1950s-1960s America. Can you talk a bit about how your videos are conceived and how it's a visual representation of the album?
LG: Vegas is a place that seems magical to me. I'm very swayed by how things look on the outside. Though I have been burned by what's on the inside of them so many times -- don't get me wrong, but I still have love for something that hits my eye right. A flag waving or a Pontiac Grandamn -- I didn't even have to know what those things stood for to know they were beautiful.
 
I once had a boyfriend who talked about all the reasons why he loved flags, Rock-and-Roll, and America. I didn't know much about all of that, but I did love him and I wanted to be just like him. So everything in the videos -- the Vegas pyramid, the brides' smile, the groom motioning "cheers" -- they're all different expressions of the happiness I had when I loved a man who loved me and America.
 
Vegas and sparklers and the 50s are all things that are beautiful, and they're all a big part of my film world.
 
Link to the interview: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/interview-singersongwrite_b_159346

Imagine she has married him just cause she's run out of things to sing about and needs content a genius move

Honestly I've found this whole situation so hard to wrap my head around.
 
Obviously we don't really know Lana but like many others have mentioned, we do know her on some level because she has chosen to share a lot of herself both through her art and the way that she communicates her feelings. A lot of us spend a significant amount of time on a forum dedicated to Lana, so of course we feel invested in both her artistic and personal endeavors. That doesn't mean we get to have a say in what she does, but it does mean that we care about the directions she chooses to go.
 
Something feels very strange about all this. Personally I've never felt that any of Lana's past controversies were really problematic, but more so a combination of misunderstanding and overblown drama. This does feel different this time. I just can't really fathom how she could not only align herself so closely, but also marry someone who holds views like Jeremy does. Especially so close an election where the stakes are so high. She has been so clear in her stance against Trump in the past, and it's just disheartening to see her ignore all that for a marriage that seemingly came out of nowhere to a person who holds deeply concerning values. I know we don't know Jeremy, and I'm sure there are positive qualities to him, but it's hard not to feel uncomfortable about the whole thing.
 
I wish nothing but the best for her and want her to be happy, but I genuinely hope she's okay. There are reasons to feel a bit of concern.

Oh god I'm trying so hard to not be charmed by this. I'm failing, its kind of cute.

this is so ride coded… and she is looking so good omg

Yes and it's clearly getting out of hand as she's posted multiple statements about it. I really don't know how to feel about the fact that he is 100% MAGA but I do care about Lana as a person. She's a sensitive soul and people are ruthless towards her lately. 

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

I love this song so much. When it came out I was going through something similar and it just brings so much emotions and memories back. It's so raw and heartfelt and

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

Yes and it's clearly getting out of hand as she's posted multiple statements about it. I really don't know how to feel about the fact that he is 100% MAGA but I do care about Lana as a person. She's a sensitive soul and people are ruthless towards her lately. 

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

Yes and it's clearly getting out of hand as she's posted multiple statements about it. I really don't know how to feel about the fact that he is 100% MAGA but I do care about Lana as a person. She's a sensitive soul and people are ruthless towards her lately. 

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

The way "fans" feel comfortable talking about her personal life is very weird to me. Between this situation and the comments about her body, I feel like I'm going crazy every time I get on the internet. People need to have some respect and that extends to the important people in her life. 

Yes and it's clearly getting out of hand as she's posted multiple statements about it. I really don't know how to feel about the fact that he is 100% MAGA but I do care about Lana as a person. She's a sensitive soul and people are ruthless towards her lately.