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I feel like if Lana died you'd use the occasion to plug your own music.

And we'll never be raaaaaapists (raaaapists)... Wow. Ben and the PR teams of everyone else involved are working overtime on this. They're trying to bury this thing hard. (Will they ever learn? C'mon, it's the internet. ) First Sturmgruppe took down the stills and video of this, now they've taken down all their content. Manson's camp is denying this hard. The last line is completely laughable: "It must be a fan video splicing up old Manson video footage with someone else's Lana Del Rey footage." Do we have proof of this? What do we know about Sturmgruppe? Otherwise the rest of the Manson denial (aside from the silly "fan video" bit) could be true. If we can link Manson to Sturmgruppe (and I mean more than just producing his videos, like ownership or more direct involvement) we can still link Sturmgruppe to posting the video. (I have a screenshot if the cached link expires.) Funny to see Manson actually wanting to distance himself from controversy though.

Based on the reactions I was prepared for something much more shocking than this. Frankly, I've been expecting something much more shocking all along than the little we've now seen based on Eli Roth's comments about the project. I think it's way too early to start making judgments about this without the full context. But I couldn't resist: I'm going to hell.

I didn't get to see/rip it before it was taken down. Did anyone rip the original HQ video directly from Vimeo? (I'm kinda anal about having things in their original quality without conversion.)

Oh, I just remember their early coverage (like fall 2011) was pretty positive which the hipsterrunoffs of the world criticized.

Nope, that's what I hear too. I don't hear "golden" at all. I hear something more like "I like to re-record in heels and underwear". (Side note: fantastic mental image.) #DirtyOldManPost Didn't she say in at least one interview that she can't rap?

I totally agree. But isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? Although I guess your domain is more status updates. Hasn't Pitchfork mostly been in the tank for Lana?

Thank god we can finally put to rest that ridiculous "doijroij" bullshit.

inb4 at least half the "facts" in this thread are not facts. The very idea of a thread titled "Lana facts" is humorous to me. I LOL'ed the very moment I saw it. Yes, we know she once registered as a Democratic voter in the state of New York. But who knows whether she would still identify herself that way.

Looks like Daddy Grant's still pissed: https://twitter.com/robgrantdotcom/status/532992310665940992

^ Me defending every post I've made in interview threads tbh.

Can I get you some more straw for your straw man? Maybe you could make an entire straw family. Have you put enough words in my mouth? Let me swallow a second so you can shove more down my throat. Sorry, I missed the part in my post where I condoned actual violence against women in between the three separate times I denounced him as misogynistic. Yes, of course part of Iggy and Eminem's success is because like Elvis before them they sold black music to a wider (whiter) audience. But it's also because they're actually really talented. And I don't get the argument about lyrical quality. Sure, he's got his share of songs with poor lyrics, but a lot of his stuff has absolutely brilliant wordplay. And sure, he sometimes forces his rhymes too much, but that's what enables a lot of the wordplay. Also, for what it's worth, it's possible to both be capable of brilliant artistry and expressing something really awful. It's even possible to display brilliant artistry while expressing something really awful. Monicker made this point really well a while back. I don't know if you're serious or not, but it seems rather a stretch to me to interpret all of Lana's lyrical references to domestic violence in a BDSM boudoir context. Lol. You guys are so literal sometimes. Literally. Even while there's this kind of grotesque vicariousness going on, it's not approval, it's still a dig at Ray Rice. And the Ravens. Nuance, people. As I said before: He's always said shit like this just to get a reaction and all of y'all took the bait. You're just giving him the attention (and views/listens) that he wants. I think this is the most interesting question about this whole kerfuffle.

Why can't it be both? These things are not mutually exclusive. Yes, I think you are. In this instance. Here's why: I don't think his invocation of Lana Del Rey as the object of his misogynistic fantasy is random. I think Mr. Marshall Bruce Mathers III is not only playing off his deserved reputation for misogynistic lyrics about violence against women, but also the fact that Lana's lyrics and interviews make it sound as if she's into it. Em's trolling y'all. Source And now your Moment of Zen:

I think artistic experimentation was definitely a part of this, but I also think it went beyond this into adjusting her sound to the expectations of the market (or record executives at least) after years of struggling unsuccessfully. She's hinted at that before in several interviews, like this one: Me too. I always wished that at the height of her buzz she would have blown everyone's minds by releasing several albums simultaneously each in a different genre. Like re-releasing the 90s indie-pop-rock of AKA; a heavier or darker alterna-rock album like the live rock versions of "Brite Lites" and "Yayo", "Velvet Crowbar", "Pinup Galore", or "The Man I Love" (we sorta got this with UV); an acoustic folk album like Sirens; an album of covers of jazz standards; etc. etc. And a pure (almost bubblegum) pop album.

You're becoming a parody of yourself. I criticized Lana for not coming through on things before it was cool (#HipsterAlert), but doing so in this instance is just inane. First of all, while I'm predicting this will be cut from the album-- and would bet cake on it-- we don't even know that's 100% certain. Second, I don't recall Lana ever saying this would happen. It was information Barrie put out. Finally, I doubt she has much control over when this album comes out or what's on it. I mean, if we find out that Lana's been holding up this release or trying to block the song that would be one thing, but there's no reason to rag on Lana for this unless we do. It's Barrie's show.

From an interview about a month ago: Notice who he doesn't mention. To be clear, I don't doubt the recording exists. I just don't think he'll end up putting it on the album after all.

Don't hold your breath for this one. I don't think it's going to happen.

She's certainly into the M and being on the receiving side of the D (probably in both senses, lol).

That people expect to be constantly entertained, that they feel entitled to that, that Lana somehow owes them that, and that I think that's a pretty stupid and widespread attitude around here. Why does it matter whether she does or doesn't? As a good but still inferior Words With Friends player a wise person once said: I should start an "AKA abandoned?" thread.

Nobody owes Lana their gratitude, but neither does Lana owe her fans anything.* You can either like her music or not, buy her music or don't. Buying her music or paying to see her in concert or being her fan doesn't entitle you to anything other than just that. Some of you sound like spoiled little children demanding a shiny new toy to play with, which if given one, will summarily toss it aside and demand another shrubbery shiny new toy. I feel stupid and contagious. Here we are now, entertain us. *The one obvious major caveat to this is when she fails to live up to her actual obligations (i.e. canceling contractual obligations like concert dates for what appear to be increasingly suspect reasons).

There really isn't much for AKA, largely due to her obscurity at the time and it only being available for purchase on Amazon and iTunes for a short period of time. (Likely due to an oversight, it was apparently available on less popular music vendor sites for longer. What customer reviews there were on Amazon and iTunes can be seen here and here, though it should be noted at least one of the iTunes reviews appears planted.) About the only contemporaneous "professional" review I can think of is this one by a Lake Placid area newspaper, the Adirondack Daily Enterprise, which conflated the album with the Kill Kill EP. However, there are a number of early interviews and show reviews that discuss the EP and allude to her then-forthcoming full-length album.

Huh? How is this an American vs. British thing? I think she's pretty much always pronounced it the way she does in this song ("Every Man Gets His Wish", "Trash Magic", interviews, etc.).

I just wanted to clarify my earlier post in case any subsequent posts were directed at it. First, I want to stress that I never said I think she's lying nor do I assume that or think it would be right to do so. At the same time, I also think taking allegations of sexual assault seriously should not entail presuming guilt of the accused. That said, it may be indelicate or politically incorrect to say so, but there simply are aspects to her allegations that make them less credible (if even only marginally less so) than they might otherwise be. All other things being equal, an allegation made shortly after the fact is more credible than one made years later against an adversary. An allegation made by someone who cuts off contact with an alleged non-romantic, non-familial perpetrator is more credible than someone who continues to interact normally. (I personally have a hard time understanding this one because I've never wanted anything bad enough that I would tolerate a hypothetical abuser to get it, but everyone's different.) An allegation made without any possible ulterior motive is more credible than one with one. An accuser also seeking redress for a criminal act in a criminal court is more credible than one only seeking financial redress for a criminal act in civil court. Does any of that mean she's lying? Of course not. But it's simply a fact that the combination of these factors will affect any assessment of the credibility of her allegations by a neutral third party. As will other factors that weigh more in her favor. Assuming she is telling the truth I really hope she pursues criminal charges. I have to say I find the idea of being just fine with your rapist going free so long as you can get out of your contract with him rather off-putting. I'm actually not quite sure what you mean by this. I'm no lawyer, but my understanding of our system in the US is that the accused are presumed innocent unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Yes, it places the burden of proof on the accuser, but renders no judgment on the accuser's honesty-- unless the accuser is later tried for defamation (as may happen here) where the accuser (now the accused) is presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. Ke$ha may face a high burden proving he raped her, but Dr. Luke would also face a high burden proving he didn't. There are obvious drawbacks to this system, but I can't think of an alternative where the drawbacks aren't worse.

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