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grammys don't mean shit at this point idk why jack stans bring that up whenever ppl say they don't like his work

Someone mentioned earlier that she definitely does have an internalised misogyny issue whether we want to accept it or not...

y’all wanted old lana back, there y’all go

Happy first day of Gemini season! Here's some chaos to start it and set the vibe!

tbh the fact that this has been the #1 worldwide trending topic on twitter for almost an entire day is blowing my mind. like, we all know that was phrased clumsily af but at this point she's being intentionally misconstrued & a lot of the meaning/intent being attributed to her post is projected. there's also a pretty big gap between the severity of what was said & the magnitude/duration of the backlash. the (some malicious) think pieces are already piling up, so i think our girl both streisanded herself and proved her own point. personally, at this point i hope she doesn't delete / apologize / explain. 
 
edit: welp.

She's surrounded by way too many yes-men.

worms for brains...

What does it have to do with anything? You can appreciate POC art whilst being completely ignorant about social issues POC are facing.
 
Having one gay friend doesn't automatically make you an all knowing ally.

As a black woman in America who has experiences racism in all different forms since I was in the kindergarten, I will type up however much I want about racism and how easy it is to go unnoticed. Again, you don't have be a racist to be say something racist. Not saying Lana is A racist. Just that what she failed to look at these women and their careers with a non privileged lens. What she said reeks of ignorance because all of them have had hardships of their own from the media and public, with a lot of it being related to race.

Microaggressions are a real thing. Racism isn't always overt and large. The smaller, more subtle ways of it do matter and have an impact. And it's most often not even known by the person perpetuating it. I don't think she was aware of intricacies behind what she was saying. And all of those women have absolutely caught flack for singing about sex.

You can still end up being racist without intent to be racist, and I think that's the point here. No one is saying Lana is a racist or a bigot or has intent to be evil or insulting. But what she said was tone deaf and ignorant. Black women have suffered a lot of critcism in the arts and have had to fight hard for their place.... they deserve their attention and #1 hits. I always say you don't have to bring others down to raise another person up. Her post is also full of many great points. I think she could have gotten her message across in a more clear and concise way without dropping a single name. It's a complex statement full of good and bad. We can disagree and call her out on the not so good parts, while still agreeing with her on other things.
 
Considering she's friends with Ariana, I doubt she even meant to be insulting, but she's still wrong for having dropped those names in the way she did. On the flipside, she has a point in the media's reaction and how people have interpreted her music. And there is no doubt she's been an absolute trendsetter for alternative music and paved the way for artists that now sing dark & "depressing" songs as well.

lana stans on twitter rn:
 

This sentence alone... please think before you post and don't talk authoritatively about things you don't understand. Lanaboards isn't the place for a discussion on the nuances of racism and racial prejudice to begin with, but definitely not when you don't understand how the conception race has changed over time, the difference and overlaps of racism and antisemitism... lanaboards proves it should only talk about the album covers yet again...

You are confusing racism and sexism with prejudice, dude. It's not the same thing. 
 
There is no such thing as reverse racism or reverse sexism. Racism and sexism require an element of power, which people of colour and women do not hold. 
 
This is a discussion for another thread, however. 

As a black woman, this statement doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t know how to feel about this. I’m just really disturbed by the amount of Lana stans that are like “wow she’s gonna get dragged for this lol ppl are stupid” without being empathetic or even considering why people feel the way they feel. At the moment, black twitter is ripping her to shreds, as they should, bcus this statement just screams of white feminism.
 
edit: and yes I know she has gotten backlash in the day, but why would you even include Beyoncé who has constantly been criticized by the whole of America since she even set foot on the music scene? ion know man just seeing that post that tries to “explain” why she did this, and dismissing the people who are critiquing it by saying that they’re young.....even if so, that doesn’t explain her bitterness towards the artists she mentions, which are mostly woc (and weird she mentioned kehlani when she never had a #1). and to say that there’s a place for girls like her in feminism too? Lana....vulnerable white women have always been at the forefront of feminism, with girls like Doja and Kehlani not even being considered.
Like I said, I don’t know how to feel. Seeing the reactions on this site, her subreddit, and even popheads just reminds me how lonely I feel as a black woman that has her as one of my musical inspirations. Yes, I want to be a singer-songwriter (this is the first time I’ve kinda publicly declared this without shame), and she’s one of the many artists that inspire me. I wish I could feel excited for the album, but I’m too sad too. I don’t feel seen and this statement just shows that she doesn’t care much about woc issues at all. I have to leave here for a bit.
 
edit 2: also for that person who tried to act as if Beyoncé wasn’t as criticized (if not even MORE) as Lana, literally there were whole police units who boycotted to protect her. pls lol.
 
edit 3: her having to add kehlani in there when she never got a #1......I don’t want to say the implications of that but....ugh ion know y’all. I need to process this

why did she have to drag other women into this....or if she did, she needed to add a note that says she appreciates what they've done for the "culture". She's getting DRAGGED dragged. I know Lana kinda lives in a bubble and she's always been the one artist I stan and will always stan because her art is just that good, but this is really testing me. I totally understand what she was trying to say, but I don't know why the first paragraph had to be that one

while i stand by my previous post, i wanna add something:
 
a far better point for lana to have made is that men's music/lyrical content/image have never been nowhere near as scrutinized and judged as women's are, and most of her negative, misconstrued & sometimes even downright misogynistic press - as those of us who are old enough to this fandom to remember hipster runoff know - has been written by men. they're also still the gatekeepers of the industry, so even if her post has to do with women & their freedom (or lack thereof) to create whatever they want while still being considered "serious artists", naming other women was actually beside the point. after all, there's a reason why her music (and most of the artists she mentioned) appeals almost exclusively to women and gay men.
 
also, and without getting too ~lb resident armchair psychologist~ here, this post is symptomatic of her issues with other women/womanhood in general. her inability to downright call herself a feminist & instead having to resort to a double negative is pretty telling; she went from daddy's girl to guy's girl to daddy's girl again (but now the other kind) and only recently did she start hanging out with girl friends in a significant & seemingly healthier way. she's definitely made progress, but more than racism/ignorance i think she still has a lot of unresolved internalized misogyny issues she needs to work on.

Doja cat was in the contract before the injunction and was very young when she signed the contract. Kehlani and Cardi have ABSOLUTELY faced the same backlash so please put a sock in it, you’re making yourself look worse. And as much as I don’t like Cardi’s music, or Camila, I have no idea why you’re trying to group Kehlani and Doja in with being “inauthentic” or “boring”... just say you only listen to alt pop and wanna suck Lana’s toes and go.

FUCK FUCK FUCK WHY DOES SHE HAVE TO DO THIS SHIT UGH CAN SHE JUST KEEP HER MOUTH SHUT EVER.... OR GET A PROOF READER??? LIKE I LOVE HER SO MUCH BUT THIS IS JUST NONSENSICAL

I really should be going back into hiding now, but I wanted to note on this real quick bc I've been wanting to make a big post about this for awhile, but didn't know if it would be too personal/intrusive to do so.
I think Lana started attending AA again in 2018/2019 and I think that's where she actually met her new group of girl friends.
I first started thinking this because many of her new girl friends in her little squad have made posts on their instagrams regarding their "sober birthdays" and congratulating their friends for their sober milestones as well. I have a few screenshots of these instances, but again, held off on posting anything because I wasn't sure if it was something that should be talked about on here.
Anyway, I think she met these girls from her meetings, and that Candace is probably her sponsor. (The older woman who Lana has posted having phone conversations with.)
Furthermore, in her leaked Pitchfork 2017 interview, the interviewer made a reference to Alcoholics Anonymous in which Lana said she had "no comment." Lana also said she had "no comment" when the interviewer asked if she still drank.
Also, a friend had told me that one of her friend's uber drivers mentioned meeting Lana in an AA. There's also a few tweets on twitter that talk about meeting Lana at AA. Of course that's all just hearsay.. and all of this is just my pure personal speculation, but it sort of adds up, especially with this book post.
I know people have some negative opinions of her new lil girl gang, but I think they've been a positive influence on her, especially if she met them where I'm thinking she did. Good for Lana for continuing to always better herself and surrounding herself with people who have her best interest at heart. Always proud of her.
Anyway, ttfn x

Anyway, I C a lot of white people here claiming that it's not racist. Nobody cares what you have to say cracker, let the black women speak

Her post could've been good if she learned how to edit. Idk this whole situation has me very jaded and I find it really embarrassing that someone her age who has been high level famous for so long still pulls shit like this. She's so hyper privileged and oblivious sometimes. I guess I'm just glad I can separate the art from the artist.

she said what she said. tbh if i were her i would just log tf out of social media for a whole week and let everyone battle it out among themselves while i kept picking flowers & eating ripe fruit & sunbathing.
 
while there's def some ignorance re: the struggles of poc musicians throughout the decades in her casual naming dropping of some of those artists, it's disingenuous to read her first paragraph as racist; she basically just picked the most famous/successful female artists rn, most if not all also artists she's friendly with and/or a fan of. the entire point of her post is that women should be able to write & sing about whatever the fuck they want without being shamed for doing so, so turning that single paragraph into world wide stan wars™️ is pretty damn sad.

Love her message, love her biting back at the media, love her making art and releasing it, love her fire coming out again.
 
But the way she phrased her post makes it too easy to misinterpret her.
 
To me, she’s asking if now that it’s normal and celebrated to make songs about sex, being sexual, taking agency over your body, etc, if she can go back to writing about more raunchier topics without being dragged by the critics. She is not saying women should be judged for writing about those things, she is just pointing out how her lyrics get put down as non feminist just because she’s being more submissive to men in her sexual scenarios, as opposed to being more dominant and in power. She’s wondering if feminism has a space for women like her, who love hard and fall hard and will do anything for her man.
 
She’s not dragging other women, She just wants the freedom to sing about what she wants without being seen as weak or like someone who is against women’s rights.
 
Wish she would have phrased it better but what can you do. She’s never been the best at explaining herself, i think that’s why she makes such good art. It’s the only way she knows how to get her words across.

omg i hate to be THAT bitch but.... im not really feeling the way she went about this? like I get what she's trying to say but she could've made the same point without dragging Doja, Nicki, Beyoncé, etc. into the mix. imo it kind of looks bad when she's pointing to all the successes of these black women and making it about her??? especially after dating a goddamn cop this is bad optics tbh...not to mention we cannot take on the hive and the barbs ctfu 
 
at least a new album is confirmed tho