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  1. trailerparkdream liked a post in a topic by PrettyPartyFav0r in LANA SLEUTHING   
    I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
     
    Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
     
    Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
     
    In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
     
    Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
     
    Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
     
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
     
    In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
     
    Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
    Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
    In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
     
    Next.
     
    On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
     
    According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

    However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
     

     
     
    Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
     
    Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
     
    Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
    https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
    She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
     
    Edited for links to sources!
     
  2. TRENCH liked a post in a topic by PrettyPartyFav0r in LANA SLEUTHING   
    I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
     
    Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
     
    Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
     
    In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
     
    Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
     
    Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
     
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
     
    In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
     
    Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
    Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
    In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
     
    Next.
     
    On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
     
    According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

    However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
     

     
     
    Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
     
    Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
     
    Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
    https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
    She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
     
    Edited for links to sources!
     
  3. Elina liked a post in a topic by PrettyPartyFav0r in LANA SLEUTHING   
    I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
     
    Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
     
    Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
     
    In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
     
    Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
     
    Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
     
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
     
    In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
     
    Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
    Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
    In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
     
    Next.
     
    On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
     
    According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

    However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
     

     
     
    Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
     
    Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
     
    Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
    https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
    She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
     
    Edited for links to sources!
     
  4. HeadBitch liked a post in a topic by PrettyPartyFav0r in LANA SLEUTHING   
    I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
     
    Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
     
    Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
     
    In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
     
    Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
     
    Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
     
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
     
    In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
     
    Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
    Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
    In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
     
    Next.
     
    On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
     
    According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

    However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
     

     
     
    Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
     
    Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
     
    Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
    https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
    She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
     
    Edited for links to sources!
     
  5. Coloringbooks liked a post in a topic by PrettyPartyFav0r in LANA SLEUTHING   
    I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
     
    Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
     
    Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
     
    In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
     
    Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
     
    Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
     
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
     
    In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
     
    Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
    Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
    In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
     
    Next.
     
    On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
     
    According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

    However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
     

     
     
    Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
     
    Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
     
    Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
    https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
    She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
     
    Edited for links to sources!
     
  6. Mer liked a post in a topic by PrettyPartyFav0r in LANA SLEUTHING   
    I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
     
    Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
     
    Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
     
    In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
     
    Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
     
    Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
     
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
     
    In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
     
    Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
    Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
    In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
     
    Next.
     
    On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
     
    According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

    However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
     

     
     
    Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
    https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
     
    Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
     
    Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
    https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
    She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
    http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
     
    Edited for links to sources!
     
  7. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by Valentino in LANALYSIS: Relating Songs To Known/Assumed Relationships   
    The "Rich Whores" leak inspired me to look for more of her early stuff and I noticed something kinda neat. Remember that list of interests from Arthur Lynn's flickr?
     
     
    According to this site, this was once the biography on lizzygrant.com. We've seen most of this stuff before, about the circus and whatever, but notice one more thing.
     
     
    "Yo mama's apple pie?" The Arthur Lynnfluence lives on, I guess. I wouldn't be surprised if Arthur Lynn wrote that biography for her, now that I think about it. 
     
    Finally, this one mystery was kind of cleared up. I wondered who the "tags & tim" listed as band members on this Sirens-era myspace page:

     
    But a closer look at another myspace era page tells me they continued being her band members into the Arthur Lynn period. So they're old friends she continued playing with for a while. Kinda neat!
     

     
    Continuing the Arthur Lynn info dump, I found out that "angiescreams," which was the username he used for flickr iirc, was also a band of his, and that the drummer for this band of his was also the drummer for the Rich Whores, Aaron Brooks! This band appeared to have existed from 2005 to 2009, so it overlaps with the "Rich Whores" period. I wonder if this was how Lana met Lynn? I'm especially curious about the fact that she got one of his drummers to join her band.
     
    And for even more evidence that Arthur Lynn was a hugely influential boyfriend, check out the News section on that website...  "9.11.07 G-d bless America. G-d bless our troops." G-d is a pretty idiosyncratic way to spell "God," wouldn't you say? And it also shows up in that biography of Lizzy's up there! Now I really can't help but wonder if Arthur Lynn wrote that biography as a joke. Which she would be in on, of course. Or maybe their cross-pollination was so much that Lana just adopted that much of his humor, spelling, tastes, and interests.
     
    Lanalysis is (barely) alive and breathing.
  8. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by evilentity in LANALYSIS: Relating Songs To Known/Assumed Relationships   
    Though I don't think anyone ever explicitly spelled out these specific connections before, you're definitely not the first to notice them. In fact, I'd assumed you had already noticed them before. 
    At any rate...
     

    Tags is Adam Tagliamonte, who seems to have leaked "Let My Hair Down" and was rumored to be the leaker's source for the Disco sessions and whatnot.  

    Yeah, the Rich Whores basically seems to have been a Lizzy-fronted version of angiescreams:

    Another fun fact about the drummer:


    Yeah, I don't think that's really the way it happened at all. Based on the chronology of performance photos/videos/reviews and MySpace archives/screenshots, I believe the Phenomena consisted of Tags & Tim in early 2007, by mid-2007 she had chopped her hair and completely replaced Tags & Tim with the angiescreams line-up but just didn't take their names off anything, and shortly afterwards started using the name The Rich Whores. Though it should be noted:
      If the YouTube account that leaked "Let My Hair Down" really was Tags, as seems to be the case, he supports this narrative in terms of never being part of a Phenomena lineup that involved Arthur Lynn or the angiescreams/Rich Whores lineup:


    Speaking of barely breathing, a later lineup of her backing band included Duncan Sheik's drummer.
  9. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by Valentino in LANALYSIS: Relating Songs To Known/Assumed Relationships   
    Potential Arthur Lynn stuff.
     
    I was looking for an Arthur Lynn blog post and ended up looking through his posts. I noticed he referred to Van Halen as "kings" and the "band that changed my life and kicked me in the balls." He specifically tags them as "david lee roth, diamond, edward van halen." And that reminded me of Mermaid Motel:
     
    'maybe we could go to Suede Tokyo
    See Van Halen at their reunion show
    Heavy Metal hour on TV
    Diamond Dave and Ray Lee'
     
    I mean, there's nothing saying none of her other long-haired boyfriends/paramours/whatever couldn't have liked Van Halen, but:
    Arthur Lynn is confirmed as a boyfriend we have songs referencing his origins (Greenwich) we have songs referencing his favorite drink (Diet Mountain Dew) It doesn't seem odd that this could be a reference to him.

    Lana Del Rey lived in New York City from like 2006 to 2009-ish. Van Halen's reunion tour with David Lee Roth 2007-2008 had a stop in NYC November 13, 2007 and May 23, 2008. Neither of these dates would conflict with her known shows. I don't know when she wrote Mermaid Motel, but she performed it at Arlene's Grocery February 3, 2009, so it's possible for it to refer to the reunion show as a past event (as opposed to a future event).


     
    Ray Lee is currently a drummer for Korn but "served as the drummer of the Van Halen frontman’s solo band from 1997 to 2005, performing on 1998′s ‘DLR Band’ and 2003′s ‘Diamond Dave’ albums."
    I'm still not sure about Suede Tokyo. There is a band by the name of Suede and they have indeed performed in Tokyo, but I don't know why Lana would refer to that. More educated people, help?
     
    So I'm speculating Mermaid Motel is about Arthur Lynn. Which brings me to something else...
     
    One site listed Lynn's interests as such (trying to find the site since, like an idiot, I just saved the interests). Pay attention to the bolded ones.
    music, girls, guitars, america, diet mountain dew, van halen, ice cream, photography, jersey, angiescreams, indian summer, woods, food, freckles, the sun, the moon, seasons, amplifiers, family, friends, karma, october, yo mama, yo mama's apple pie, and those little people we call doggies
     
    JERSEY
    Note his blog is subtitled "thoughts from a jersey boy." His flickr lists his hometown as Jersey but "currently" (not sure when screenshot was taken) Greenwich, CT. I was already pretty sure that Motel 6 was about Lynn due to DMD references, but "to Jersey with love" makes more sense now.
     
    MORE VAN HALEN STUFF + CONEY ISLAND + YOUR MOM:
    This is the most recent screenshot I’m showing – we’re going in reverse chronological order, from ‘last login date.’
    In this screenshot from her Lizzy Grant MySpace, url therichwhores, she lists Diamond Dave as an influence (along with Britney Spears and motorcycles, two other lasting influences). Notice she lists her location as New Jersey. Also notice that she describes her music as metal - not a musical genre I would put any Lana Del Rey song in, ever. I wonder if Arthur Lynn, who could conceivably be the one into "heavy metal hour," influenced her calling her music "metal."

     
    She's still therichwhores here, but her location is now Alabama. Her genre is glam, blues, experimental. No metal – not yet, anyway. David Lee Roth is one of 3 influences, along with Britney Spears and motorcycles.
     

     
    The earliest Rich Whores screenshot I’m showing. In this one, she lists David Lee Roth and Coney Island as influences... along with "your mom." Yeah, just like Mr. Lynn listed "yo mama." Britney and motorcycles remain, but the other influences have shifted. Arthur Lynn is explicitly listed as a member here. She's living in New York now. (aside: pretty things is an influence here. we'll see that again later)

     
     
     
    AMERICA
    Lana said this about one of her ex-boyfriends:
     
    Lynn loves rock and roll, that's perfectly clear. But what distinguishes him from Gnecco or Carney or other musical liaisons? Well, the 4th 'like' listed by Lynn was America. It's a weak connection, but I don't think we've ever tied that comment to any other boyfriend. Lana didn't always talk or sing about America. Her May Jailer era stuff, for example, seems more focused on the details of personal relationships than concepts like America or archetypes like the gangster boyfriend. I don't know when Lana started playing with Lynn, but it'd be curious to see if that date coincides with an increasing number of references to Americana. If we assume Mermaid Motel is about Lynn, then we also have a connection to Coney Island, another interest of hers that you don't see mentioned in the early days.
     
    To see how big the change from her May Jailer stuff to her Lizzy/Lana stuff was, let's look at more MySpace pages...
     
    Folk, acoustic, experimental! Only one of these genre descriptors survived into the post-May Jailer MySpace descriptors. Her influences are Bob Dylan, Allen Ginsberg, Nirvana, Leonard Cohen, Radiohead... only Nirvana is repeated as an influence in the later MySpace page, although Daniel Johnston seems to be in the vein of singer-songwritery stuff.

    A year later (according to last-login date) and "Cony Island" (sic) and "pretty things" have been added as influences. She's now experimental, blues, folk - the acoustic part is gone. Another mid-2000s screenshot shows "Bread and Oranges" appearing alongside Money Hunny, Fordham Road, and A Star for Nick. It now has its final name, Pawn Shop Blues, and For K Part 2 has shown up - the LDR album appears to be forming (Jump, Kill Kill, and Put Me In A Movie show up in the Lizzy screenshots above).
     
    The last login date for this one is 5/17/2007, whereas the last login date for the earliest Rich Whores page is 12/12/2007. It appears to be a transitional state, not just with regards to her layout, but also her name and influences. The music is less acoustic. Coney Island starts showing up, as well as motorcycles and Van Halen. Metal inexplicably becomes a descriptor.
    Would fit in pretty well with Arthur Lynn showing up… just sayin’. 
     
    (one last thing... under band members, she lists "TAGS & TIM." Who are these people?)

     
    CONCLUSION?
    From 2007-ish to maybe 2009-ish, Lana dated Arthur Lynn. Arthur Lynn may be the boyfriend who loved rock-n-roll and America. Before his introduction into her band (and we don't know when they met, so they could have met before Lynn was part of the Rich Whores), Americana references were rare in her music, she made singer-songwritery stuff about people's lives, and she basically had a very different persona. Lynn becomes part of the Rich Whores, she now likes Van Halen, specifically David Lee Roth and the album Diamond Dave, Coney Island (all mentioned in Mermaid Motel), her music is described very differently (metal, really?; and glam), she somehow picks up on his jokes (yo mama)... I think he was an influential boyfriend.
     
    Oh, and to tie this back to other boyfriends...
     
    According to the Galore interview by Chuck, Lana broke up with Steve Mertens when she was 22. So 2007?
    Lana mentioned a seven-year relationship with a record producer in the 2014 Fader interview and I think Mertens is the only one who could potentially fit that.
     
     
    Which would make the timeline of that relationship 2000-2007. Which means she would have been 15 when she started dating Mertens... If Mertens is the 7 year relationship (and I don't think any of the other ones could be that relationship), then that means she would have had 4 major ex-boyfriends.
    Mertens 2000-2007.
    Lynn 2007 to 2008 or 2009
    Mizrahi 2009 to 2011
    Barrie 2012 (?) to 2014
     
    Thoughts? It's like early in the morning and I've spent a couple hours doing this, so I'd like fresh eyes.
  10. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by Doll Harlow in Random Lana Discussion Thread   
    A Star For Nick, Get Drunk, Disco, and Pin Up Galore are her best songs to dissociate to.
  11. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by mlittle11 in Random Lana Discussion Thread   
    this is a masterpiece 
  12. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by drewby in BEST leak/leak moment ever?   
    July 2013 as a whole was incredible, this all happened in about a week:
     
    Hawaiian Tropic
    Daytona Meth
    Scarface
    Catch and Release
    Tired of Singing the Blues
    Maha Maha
    Golden Grill
    Television Heaven
    Heartshaped Chevrolet
    Midnite Dancer Girlfriend
    The "untouchable 5"
    So Legit
  13. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by Be Free in Article about Lizzy Grant/Lana Del Rey by old friends & David Nitchern   
    Just found this article on a French page about Lizzy Grant and her beginnings as Lana Del Rey.
     
    http://www.greenroom.fr/117948-lana-del-rey-lizzy-grant/
     
    I translated it with Google and there's a few mistakes, for example, it changes the word "her" to "his", but I'll post here anyways bc it could be interesting for some people like it was for me (: 
     
    Lana Del Rey has released Lust for Life , her fourth album. A record where the American remembers her life before, when she was still only Lizzy Grant. A young student at Fordham University with a devastating charisma, at ease in a New Jersey mobile home, determined to become a "successful artist . " Thing promised due thing. A story of a young New Yorker who has been dreaming.   Aaron Peer talks about it with a chuckle. The embarrassed laughter of the one who saw nothing coming. "We were all four in a car to go from one movie set to another: Benham, Charlie, Lizzy and me . " In June 2010, in New Jersey, the small team then had only a few days to shoot what would be the last personal project of Aaron, a film student in New York: Poolside . More precisely, 12 minutes and 19 seconds of a short film that tells a slow drift involving two pool cleaners, a break-in, and a summer idyll by the chlorinated swimming pool of a large mansion. A classic short film for this graduate student. Except that in this simple journey, on an anonymous road of New Jersey, nothing was truly banal. At the front on the passenger seat, Lizzy, with fair hair and a candid look, offers the boys to put on music. "Lizzy then put his songs on and said, 'Hey, that's stuff I'm working on,' says Aaron, who only cares about music. I was mostly mentally building my film . " Benham Jones was on the trip as well. And his memory is a little more precise. "The first song Lizzy gave us that day in the box was 'Video Games'. The second, 'This Is What Makes Us Girls'. We all found his pieces very cool. But we obviously had no idea what was going to happen, " he said. Lizzy, who took control of the CD player from the passenger seat is no longer an unknown as Benham recalls: "It was Lizzy Grant. The one that was to become Lana Del Rey a few months later " .   How could the future US pop star, 25 years old at the time, have found herself playing in an amateur film with a budget of just 400 dollars? Perhaps because she had "loved the script" as Aaron said, who had spotted it with a pixelated video taken at the Mercury Lounge in New York some time before. Perhaps also thanks to her personality, and "the very specific way she had to speak," according to the same Aaron. And most of all because all of them were studying in the same buildings at Fordham University in the Bronx. Media and communication for Aaron, philosophy for Lizzy. The best speaker of the time is Benham Jones, producer of Poolside , and friend of the young woman: "At university she began to discover a lot of music: folk, shoegaze, punk. We listened to local bands such as Des Ark, Mirah, The Blow and Rainer Maria. She had been saying for a while that she wanted to make music . Benham is busy with an associative space on the campus of their college, the Rodrigue's Coffee House. "Lizzy often came with her guitar and she was playing songs for us," he said. It is in this improvised concert hall that an audience will hear for the first time titles like "Yayo" or "Kill Kill".   The queen of the sofa   June 2007. Brooklyn, New York. Van Wilson passes a head in one of the many songwriter contests that swarm in the Williamsburg neighborhood. He is then headhunter for the indie label 5 Points Records. When it was the turn of the young Lizzy Grant, author of a demo-album called Sirens in 2005 under the pseudonym May Jailer, to present her texts in the club of Northsix in the framework of the Williamsburg Live Songwriting Competition, his telephone. David Nichtern, the label's owner, remembers: "We signed a contract with her in June. She told me 'I want to be a successful artist' " . Much more assured in his remarks than in his first performances on stage, according to his first producer. "The first time we met her, she played the guitar with only two fingers," he smiled. Why sign the young artist so quickly then? David Nichtern does not hesitate for a second: his charisma. "When I saw her, it was a bit like seeing the hidden girl of Leonard Cohen and Marylin Monroe. She had something very feminine and theatrical that I did not often see, so much so that I had even thought of proposing her to my contacts in the cinema if she did not break into music . He draws a relentless argument, proof by three: "1 - She was charismatic. 2 - She knew it. 3 - She was convinced to become a great star. And she was right . "   She composed these first songs between her mobile home in New Jersey in which she had decided to live, and the apartments of friends where she sometimes failed, like that of Benham. In 2012, she rewound with chuckling: "My mother nicknamed me the 'Queen of the sofa' at that time . " Thanks to a $ 10,000 advance by 5 points, she has to set up a first album and tour New York's small halls. Problem, it is not facing a public that Lizzy feels most comfortable. Still in 2012, she even explained that she was "writer before being a stage singer. To go on stage is against my nature, I am not an exhibitionist . " It will, however, run counter to nature, the bars and open mics of New York for several years. After four good years of galley, without seeing her career take off, the young woman is thinking of making a 180 degree turn. While his first album is finally ready to go out (in general indifference) in January 2010, Grant asks at the last minute to David Nichtern to add the pseudo Lana Del Ray (with an "a") on the cover. A few weeks later, she contacted him to change his name to Lana Del Rey (with an "e"). Before you simply ask that the disc be removed from the market. "Lizzy then told us that she wanted to change the disc and add some songs while we loved it as it was. We had an artistic disagreement, " recalls David Nichtern. He sighed, plunged into his bad memories: "It was a quite special time. She wanted to change her music, change her name, change her manager ... "   The new phase of his career will finally begin. The arrival of a duo of English managers, Ben Mawson and Ed Millet, met a few months ago, will change the situation. "Once she signed with her English managers, Lizzy began working on new songs," says David Nichtern. She was going in a new direction with a much larger sound than her album was about to release . Hence his request to remove his first disc from the circulation that no longer corresponded to him, according to her. When David Nichtern evokes the episode, everything seems to have finally ended amicably: "I am also a musician and producer, and I always wanted to leave a total artistic freedom to my artists. So I told him 'do what you want to do' and we signed a contract to leave in good terms . Lana Del Rey is more critical: at Nylon magazine in 2012, she will present 5 Points Records as a label where "it was not happening" while she will express other reproaches to GQ the same year: "My first album was was completed in 2008. But my label waited three years to get it. They thought a record company would buy it but it did not happen. So they took it out themselves. Except that I had moved on to something else . " So far from the bars and open mics of New York.   Between London and New York   Before launching this shift more public, Lizzy tried a little detour by the cinema. And Poolside , then. The director Aaron Peer and his friends remember a detail: the songs that the future Lana Del Rey makes them listen to on the CD player of their car did not come from America, but from Europe. "They had been registered in London," says Aaron Peer. "She did not really live in New Jersey at the time," said Benham Jones. She traveled back and forth between London, New York and Los Angeles . Lizzy Grant has been released for a few months on a new sofa: his manager Ben Miller, in the English capital, to work on new tracks with different producers (Justin Parker, Chris Braide, Biff Stannard ...) in studios loaned by the label Sony ATV. On Twitter and Facebook at the end of 2010 and in 2011, the young woman alternates between quotations from John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Frank Sinatra, and messages in which she expresses her enthusiasm to work with several producers in London. As the Dazed magazine Justin Parker tells, "Sony had a studio to compose that they lent us, but not on weekdays because I was nobody and neither was it at the time. So we were composing songs on Saturday afternoons out there when she could come from New York . " It is during these sessions that she will write in February 2011 "Video Games" in the presence of Justin Parker before tweeting the words a few weeks later in general indifference.     Lana and producer Chris Braide In the corridors of Universal, one begins to speak of the young woman: the American major will try to introduce the singer to the general public by proposing to Mando Diao, a pop group of Swedish renowned in his country, invite the singer at one of their acoustic concerts for MTV at the end of 2010. For several days, the New Yorker joined them in their studio in the suburbs of Stockholm. "Universal was already talking a lot of it internally back then," the group recalled. It was based in London and they were trying to market it all over Europe. We were looking for young talents for our MTV Unplugged and they came to us to offer us a collaboration with it . In the same way, the Guardian's musical editorial team receives nineteen titles of the singer "made with different producers" sent by "his team" at the beginning of 2011, without further details.     What is the basis for accusations of the artist's manipulation by a major at the beginning of his career? Those who have known Lizzy Grant in his younger years say the opposite. "There really was a big misunderstanding when we began to say that it was ridden from scratch by a label at the time of Video Games," says his former collaborator David Nichtern. He looks amused: "For working with her, I can tell you that he is an extremely stubborn and obstinate person who reflects on all aspects of his art . " Benham Jones, who has seen her evolve since her debut, does not say the opposite from New York: "Yes, Lana was surrounded by producers at the time of its explosion. But they just helped her assert her world because technically she was not a seasoned musician . " He adds: "But what should not be forgotten is that it was she, all alone in her New York room, who invented a mythology around the character Lana Del Rey with her music and videos on iMovie " . Memories of his young years return. "When 'Born To Die' came out, people said she could not sing, she'd been up and down, blablabla ... It made me crazy to hear that: I knew Lana's music was the craziest thing I'd seen in the coffee shop at Fordham University . " Crazy, and lucrative, too: more than five years after its release in 2012, Born To Die is still the fourth album of the decade most present in the charts.    
  14. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by aly in Random Lana Discussion Thread   
    May I direct your attention to Poolside
  15. PrettyPartyFav0r liked a post in a topic by Elle in LANALYSIS: Relating Songs To Known/Assumed Relationships   
    Okay, so How to Disappear & Cinnamon Girl are about boxer Joe Schilling.
     
    So, Lana stated in her livestream she wrote both of the songs song after "getting back to New York from Boston" after being "fucked up in Boston"
    Nick reminded me there was a rumour of Lana going to Boston to watch her boyfriend who was coaching, which lined up during the same time period as I noticed she was in Rhode Island on October 3rd & New York October 5th with Jack, same day she shares first snippet of HTD along with video captioned "pre-recording dance"
    The rumour seemed to originate from a girl who worked at a store Lana was shopping at while in Rhode Island.
    Rhode Island - Oct 3 (traveling there)
    Boston - Oct 4 (meltdown happened w this guy)
    New York - Oct 5 (wrote HTD)
      October 5th: "At the Red Sox vs Yankee play off game at Fenway Park tonight. We’ll be wishing a mother fcker would." (Fenway Park is in Boston, and Lana was there to watch him train the day before)     The man in question seems to be this boxer named Joe Schilling, who a bunch of fans attacked on instagram by commenting rats under his instagram posts on October 21st after he dragged her music & the unfollowed each other, and Lana had to tell her fans to back off. That makes perfect sense given the lyrics: "Joe met me down at the training yard, with cuts on his face 'cause he fought too hard" (which would make sense bc he's a boxer) & then of course the lyrics in Cinnamon Girl indicating that something went wrong with them "if you hold me without hurting me, you'll be the first who ever did" whew that man really hurt her x
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