slayyyngel 1,293 Posted April 5 In all seriousness I think a lot of the hate is overblown. At least for the reasons most people seem to have. I feel for her not really having agency over her childhood but also being forced to mimic being a child well into adulthood because of the brand image that was developed around her when she was so young. I genuinely do think she sees herself as growing up but it just clearly comes across as immature and naïve so much so that it seems almost like its a joke to actual adults. Honestly I don't really get the people who will gladly defend an Ava Max or Kim Petras song but have such a problem with Karma. Its a basic 2000-2010s pop radio song. I actually commend her for putting a great amount of effort into the choreography and the video even if I dont really like it. I personally havent seen such a direct display of lesbian-for-lesbian imagery in a mainstream pop video like that before. She played another song at her release party that sounded better in my opinion. https://x.com/chazzers_/status/1775875354327978389 There ARE genuine criticisms and reasons to not like her though. Rather that be her defense of Colleen Ballinger, the crazy events that went down with her backup dancers / girl group she was trying to make or whatever, and just being rather insufferable according to ex's on tiktok and her costars from her various dance shows. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Angel 202,296 Posted April 5 20 minutes ago, slayyyngel said: In all seriousness I think a lot of the hate is overblown. At least for the reasons most people seem to have. I feel for her not really having agency over her childhood but also being forced to mimic being a child well into adulthood because of the brand image that was developed around her when she was so young. I genuinely do think she sees herself as growing up but it just clearly comes across as immature and naïve so much so that it seems almost like its a joke to actual adults. Honestly I don't really get the people who will gladly defend an Ava Max or Kim Petras song but have such a problem with Karma. Its a basic 2000-2010s pop radio song. I actually commend her for putting a great amount of effort into the choreography and the video even if I dont really like it. I personally havent seen such a direct display of lesbian-for-lesbian imagery in a mainstream pop video like that before. She played another song at her release party that sounded better in my opinion. https://x.com/chazzers_/status/1775875354327978389 There ARE genuine criticisms and reasons to not like her though. Rather that be her defense of Colleen Ballinger, the crazy events that went down with her backup dancers / girl group she was trying to make or whatever, and just being rather insufferable according to ex's on tiktok and her costars from her various dance shows. honestly i cannot help but to genuinely feel bad for her, obviously she's been famous and in the public eye since childhood, we all know that'll mess anybody up, also, she received so much vitriol as well, for being childish at 16, she became a meme and a target for online bullying around 2018/2019, although it was her brand and it made her very successful with younger audiences, now, i don't really know too much about her, but i can't imagine she wasn't pressured into it or somewhat made to do it, most 16-year-olds don't feel compelled to wear giant bows and outfits you would typically see on 4-year-olds, whether or not she enjoyed it, or whether or not it was her own choice, i'm sure it would affect how she sees herself as a young adult trying to find her way in the world, i can imagine it would be very difficult to know what to do or what's right for somebody her age, especially since for most of her life she portrayed a very kid-friendly image to an almost comical and strange extent, it seems like nobody's going to take her seriously and that would be so hard for anybody, for people to never be able to see you as just a normal young woman for all of those reasons if i were her, i would just want to completely reject my fame and just live a comfortable, quiet life with all of the money i've made, but i'm sure for most famous people, especially ones who've been famous since they were very little, it's very hard to just decide not to be famous and to give it all up 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bettie Page 2,112 Posted April 5 Idk I kinda like it, it's fun and catchy 5 Quote s a y y e s t o h e a v e n Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KEEPIT 181 Posted April 6 That “SHOULDA KNOWN BETTER!!” harmony in the second and third chorus… 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloringbooks 14,015 Posted April 6 She really is in her Can't Be Tamed era KARMA'S A BITCH… I SHOULD'VE KNOWN BETTER! 5 Quote wanna get to heaven, so let's get high Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PARADIXO 32,940 Posted April 6 21 hours ago, blameitonme said: seven 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PARADIXO 32,940 Posted April 6 7 hours ago, Coloringbooks said: She really is in her Can't Be Tamed era KARMA'S A BITCH… I SHOULD'VE KNOWN BETTER! Please, Can't Be Tamed was one of the best songs released under Hollywood Records... ever 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malifruit 168 Posted April 8 On 4/5/2024 at 4:31 PM, slayyyngel said: I personally havent seen such a direct display of lesbian-for-lesbian imagery in a mainstream pop video like that before. I'm kind of on the opposite end in that I feel like I have and I'm glad there's more! I don't follow JoJo and was pleasantly surprised by how overtly lesbian the whole video was. The majority of hate I've seen has been overtly homophobic-- whether saying she's using her gayness for clout (makes me think of that post about using transness as a shield that goes "oh awesome look at me using my shield that automatically attracts every bullet within a 100 mile radius"), insulting her for humping a woman in a music video (deeply normal and expected in straight videos), etc. I'm honestly shocked; clearly none of these people have ever seen a Hayley Kiyoko or Janelle Monae video if they think this level of sexuality is somehow unique and bad. And, like you said, it's a really cookie-cutter 2010s pop star song. I'd argue it's even a cookie-cutter "I'm a child star trying to break out of my image" song. I'm not surprised it turned out to be a Miley song! I honestly thought it reminded me of some early Selena Gomez or Demi Lovato. It's certainly no more cringe than some of the stuff Katy Perry did on Prism, which I have been relentlessly stanning. If people hate the song (or her), go ahead and hate the song (or her!), but don't make up things that aren't true about how uniquely bad it is. That's just my two cents! ...As for me, I have it on loop. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloringbooks 14,015 Posted April 10 Kind of obsessed with this WHEN I SAW THE PICS OF YOU AND HER I FELT THE KNIFE TWIST 1 Quote wanna get to heaven, so let's get high Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
histories 70 Posted April 10 We want the Xomg Pop era back 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anonymcomenter 4,675 Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 11:14 AM, Coloringbooks said: Kind of obsessed with this WHEN I SAW THE PICS OF YOU AND HER I FELT THE KNIFE TWIST why does this one kind of eat?? it was a Bop all along Jojo gaslight us into thinking it wasn’t 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KEEPIT 181 Posted April 11 That Brit Smith version is really good 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloringbooks 14,015 Posted April 13 On 4/11/2024 at 2:51 PM, Anonymcomenter said: why does this one kind of eat?? it was a Bop all along Jojo gaslight us into thinking it wasn’t Jojo's version actually isn't as bad as everybody is making it out to be, but Brit Smith's is way better I think. Anyway, allegedly Jojo has spoken... "There's no such thing as stealing" - what does she mean by this exactly? Whether she really "stole" the song or not, this just makes her look worse LOL. 1 Quote wanna get to heaven, so let's get high Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anonymcomenter 4,675 Posted April 13 Not her trying to pull off a Mariah “I don’t know her” moment… cringe 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Britney Spears 2,489 Posted April 13 2 hours ago, Coloringbooks said: Jojo's version actually isn't as bad as everybody is making it out to be, but Brit Smith's is way better I think. Anyway, allegedly Jojo has spoken... "There's no such thing as stealing" - what does she mean by this exactly? Whether she really "stole" the song or not, this just makes her look worse LOL. i don't think she stole it....maybe she bought the rights to this song...but her acting like she doesn't know this woman (Brit literally did this demo for Miley) that's sooo weird... 1 Quote It's a different language , it's worth saying too much And get in the way when We talk in the Strangest Love? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coney Island King 26,002 Posted April 17 The Brit Smith version of Karma is so good. Reminds me of early Britney. Wild that it's now charting higher on iTunes world wide than Jojo's version which is bombing [and awful]. 0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rancidgirl 5,378 Posted April 19 On 4/13/2024 at 6:03 AM, Britney Spears said: i don't think she stole it....maybe she bought the rights to this song...but her acting like she doesn't know this woman (Brit literally did this demo for Miley) that's sooo weird... brit didn’t write the song at all actuslly im pretty sure so jojo probably didn’t really know who she was😭she said the writer of the song (forogt her name but it’s the female writer on the credits) said she wanted to give jojo an older song because she felt like it fit her am i the only one who doesn’t think brit’s version is all that.. like people are obsessed with it and i just don’t really care for it 0 Quote the last rancid girl in a rancid world and i don't seem to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Life 3,966 Posted April 19 On 4/10/2024 at 10:14 AM, Coloringbooks said: Kind of obsessed with this WHEN I SAW THE PICS OF YOU AND HER I FELT THE KNIFE TWIST the way this version is stuck in my head 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
