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I don't know much about her mum, but she's alive! Chuck posted photos with her on instagram this year. Does anyone else find it weird that Lana's dad goes to shows and stuff but we've never seen her mum there?  (sorry if this is wrong)

Hopefully this isn't too late, but going back to what SitarHero was mentioning about how there are a lot of songs that refer to Jimmy and how Lana and Jimmy might've not been in a relationship; in Hundred Dollar Bill she sings, "I like 'em tough and mean, Jim is the worst that I've ever seen." I think Lana used to like guys that might've been tough (maybe like those biker dudes in the Ride video, haha) and she would think that when guys were mean to her, that was how they show affection to her. I guess Jimmy wasn't interested in Lana and how he would "treat her mean", she mistook that for mutual flirtation and she hasn't seen/met a guy that she liked that "treated her mean" as worst as Jimmy. 
 
And at the end of HDB, the harmonies are "I need your love" and if Lana had been infatuated/in love with Jimmy at the time, that was probably how she felt and yeah. 

crying @ lana possibly being a stage five clinger/stalker
 
celebrities, they're just like us 

Diagnosis on transforming Lanalysis post-Jimmy news is not great.
 
It's sort of looking like her timeline goes...
PRE-SIRENS
- Crush or more on Mr. Campbell, telling her she'd never make it out alive
- K as a teenager and early adulthood until his arrest
- Z-list celebrity who wasn't responsible with his addiction, Lana trying to her best to make him a good man (what do you need to get high for?) but him rejecting her ("Pretty Baby", "Junky Pride")
- Crush on Jimmy Gnecco, seemingly unrelated to the Z-list celeb because they probably were never together
- A married man (I'm Indebted to You) [Meeting in motels, Bill?]
 
POST-SIRENS
- Arthur Lynn--an easy stand-in for Jimmy Gnecco, a similar "violent love" as evidenced in Diet Mtn Dew, and they actually dated. However, songs about addiction, leaving him because he couldn't be responsible ("Pawn Shop Blues") can't be about him because Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena was active throughout 2007, well after PSB was written. Although he probably had some underground Brooklyn fame, he's not our Z-lister.
- Reeve Carney--featured in videos and photo shoots but he's just vanilla enough to be indistinguishable in any of her songs.
- Nick Fowler--no concrete evidence but he has posted early photos of her and was in the same Arthur Lynn/Jimmy Gnecco/Reeve Carney scene as her. ALSO consider "A Star for Nick".
- Mike Mizrahi is a definite. She leaves him for trying to navigate her career and then wants him back once he has another woman. He played video games lots.
 
POST-BTD
- A fling with Bradley Soileau
- Someone from the above list returning "Radio" style
- Cheating on and then living happily in poetic bliss with Barrie
 
Anyone see any overlap? Consider our "irresponsible addict" songs such as Us Against the World, Velvet Crowbar, You & Me, and Pawn Shop Blues.

I think it's just a reference to doing drugs...
 
Lucy's in the sky with ice tonight, Heaven knows I've tried to find a cure. Baby, if it's wrong I don't wanna be right, And if you ask again, I'll say "I'm sure."   The "Lucy's in the sky" reference doesn't really need any explaining, "ice" is slang for meth, "tried to find a cure" could mean 'tried to get clean', "and if you ask again, I'll say 'I'm sure'" could mean that the guy she's with is asking her something like 'are you really sure you want to do this?' to which she says 'yes, I'm sure'.   EDIT: re: "ice" - as everyone knows, the original song goes "Lucy in the sky with diamonds"; 'ice' can simultaneously mean 'expensive jewlery, diamonds' as well as the above-mentioned drug slang. It could be an intentional play with words / double meanings.   Another K-themed song, I'd assume? With all the mafia references and whatnot...

Now that we know Lizzy was more of a stalker than a girlfriend then maybe the creation of Lana and some of her music reflects Jimmy's dead fiancé rather than herself? As seen in the car crash in the BTD video, the swimming/drowning in Blue Jeans and Lana being alone in the house in Video Games.

Well, she wasn't Lana back then.
She was plain-old simple looking Lizzie with dirty blonde hair, not the dark goddess she has evolved into over the years.
 
Yayo is still flawless tho

That's such a dark song...I don't wanna know I'm wrong for you. I really hope she didn't do anything too drastic for attention (i.e., LIP INJECTIONS).
 
I've always closely linked that song with "Match Made in Heaven" and "Yayo" as Jimmy songs, because of those lyrics. So what to do with MMIH? I guess if you think about it, nothing in the lyrics really makes it a serious love song...Another crush
 
How could he not have wanted her? Suddenly Lana's music just became a lot more relatable for me

Yeah, as well as these, I think Put The Radio On is also about wanting to be with Jimmy 
I don't wanna know I'm wrong
 
Cause I'm a really good girl,
You a very bad guy,
We're a little match made in heaven if I say so, yay-o
Come over here boy and play-o
 
(edit: i know it's already been established that this song was about jimmy. but I'm now thinking of it as the truth about jimmy and lana, whereas a lot of other songs would be fantasy. I used to think it was about wanting jimmy back after a break up, but it might actually be the start of the story)

Yeah, some Jimmy songs are easily transferred to Arthur and Reeve, I suppose...She defined "homie hopper", for sure
 
However, there are a select few songs that definitely are about Jimmy, anyway.
 
- "Jimmy Gnecco" already represents a kind of school-girl crush, if you think about it.
- "Hundred Dollar Bill" is likely about her reading too far into minimal interactions that she had with Jimmy. She figures that him treating her negatively is his way of expressing mutual affection. I didn't say it was healthy
- "You're Gonna Love Me" not only name-drops Jim, but definitely comes across a little more obsessive than actually in love. You're gonna love me, I'm gonna make you.
- "Yayo", as David Kahne said, is about a stranger sweeping her off her feet and taking her away from her dark trailer park life. The similarities to Jimmy still stand, with the snake tattoo and the link on his Facebook.
- "Is It Wrong?" has now moved from basic local rockstar to a definite Jimmy song, with Stalking you has sort of become like my occupation.
 
Existing problems:
- Who was the small-time celebrity that she met in self-help? The subject of "Pawn Shop Blues"...
- Is it totally nuts that they might have had an affair in the D-A-R-K that he chooses to ignore now?

Someone's interpretation of BTD (mentioned in that OURS discussion board, where someone posted its original link). It's... interesting.

Well, that much at least adds up.
 
 
From an OURS discussion board, written back in 08:
 
"I am pretty sure his son's name is Jimmy too, no?
Some chick randomly messaged me on myspace, some 16 year old girl who goes to school with his son, she said."
 
"Jimmy's son is in fact named Jimmy. By the way, his son is 15 and his daughter, Zoe (pronounced Zoey), is 10 or 11."
 
 
There's also an interesting topic there called "...that Lana Del Rey song"; currently reading it.

I only have one question: How could anyone NOT be interested in Lana?   

JG is still a great song, tho

she posted it

But, didn't Jimmy share the song on his myspace page?
Did he do it because it was so funny then?

Oh god, what a thread
One of us really should just sit down with her, take out a pen and paper and just write a chronology tbh....
(and if we're at it, she should just spill the tea about K too )

Yeah, they sound like they’re from roughly the same period, but no two recordings share such exact sonic characteristics as Axl Rose and Elvis do.
 
Question just to be absolutely sure here: Is the consensus that Sirens comprises her very first (known) recordings? Also, what’s the consensus on its year of "release"?
 
 
I don't know, i’ve been thinking about all of this more since my last post a few days ago, and now i’m just confused. I mainly got into this discussion because of the comment that ARH and Elvis are way advanced compared to Sirens, which got me thinking about the progression of her guitar playing. I am not infallible and am by no means any sort of music authority. I will keep listening and comparing this stuff with everyone’s considerations in mind. I concede that she sounds younger in her singing on Sirens than anywhere else. And PrettyBaby raises a good point about the studio environment/process, however, that could go either way, too: You’re on the clock in the studio, on someone else’s time, paying (a good amount of $) for that time. When you’re recording at home, even though you may not have the input that an outside producer could offer, you do have all the time in the world to do as many takes as you want (though i guess one could argue that it depends on the person’s self-discipline). When you’re in the studio though you have to come in with your material already pretty polished and tight.
 
Find My Own Way is the one song on Sirens that has a markedly different style of playing, one that is very characteristic of a beginning guitar student, probably even more so than any other of her acoustic songs, even down to the fact that the guitar is out of tune. It’s also notable that it’s the only song on Sirens with strummed chords. I guess there’s the possibility that someone else played guitar on Sirens while she maybe played on Find My Own Way? Has this possibility ever been mentioned? I doubt that’s the case though, simply because the playing is not adept enough to suggest that it’s someone who was called in (even if just a friend doing a favor for her). So, i don’t know, if Sirens predates the other songs and she did indeed play on it, maybe she purposely simplified her playing after Sirens? Even though the playing on those other acoustic songs sounds so much more rudimentary to me than the playing on Sirens, i have to be open to the possibility of being a stylistic choice.
 
Some more questions:
 
Are we using internet upload dates as a certain indicator of when a song was written/recorded? Ya’ll probably know what i think of that
 
What year did Lizzy first have a MySpace page?
 
 
 
I can accept all that, good points. And you’re right that i sometimes don’t pay enough attention to the lyrics as they relate to her life. I hope it’s evident that i’m not arguing for one particular hypothesis, but rather just throwing out an array of possibilities that i don’t really see being mentioned, all with the aim of getting closer to “the truth.” I guess my point was that just as we can’t really trust her when she gives a date/year, i feel we also shouldn’t automatically disqualify any date/year she gives. That’s fallacious reasoning, no?

1. Some of the skepticism was from the combination of her saying those were from when she was 16-17 and also saying PSB was the first song she wrote. And as Sitar pointed out, Elvis and ARH didn't show up on MySpace until later. (However, I think the often-used argument "CG said such and such" is weak. Even generally reliable sources need receipts people!) Some of my skepticism also comes from the lyrical content, which I freely admit I tend to over-emphasize in general, but I think you don't pay enough attention to it, Mo. ARH strikes me as something she wrote after moving to the NYC area. I'll compare them ~sonically~ to some of her other early rough demos when I get a chance though.
 
2. I'm having trouble finding where she said PSB was the first song she wrote right now, but I remember it being discussed on LDR.FM in conjunction with how old she said she was when she wrote Elvis and ARH. I think Trash Magic referred to it on SIN once and I remember discussing it with Maru as well. Can one of you help me out?
 
3. Her unease playing "Yayo" at the Union Pool show suggests to me it was likely new in 2007, 5 years ago. I think it's likely the "sultry song" she played at the 2008 WLSC, but it's also possible "Yayo" was the "new song" which "clearly wasn't as polished as 'Pawn Shop Blues'" that she "took a risk playing" at the 2006 WLSC Finals. But this reminds me... I remember Bob Leone saying somewhere (on Facebook maybe?) he remembers the first time Lizzy played "Yayo" for him (in her apartment, I think). And in this article he describes her playing songs for him two weeks after they met at the Bitter End on January 31, 2006. So maybe that was when she played him "Yayo" and it really could be 7 years old...
 
4. I'm not just referring to the "Ride" monologue. She repeated it in this interview.
 
I may not be right about all of these, but these were just a few possible examples I could think of off the top of my head of numerous instances I've seen where she can't be relied upon for an accurate timeline. (While I was looking up stuff for this I stumbled across another possible one... in 2010, she claimed her name change "came from a series of managers and lawyers over the last 5 years who wanted a name that they thought better fit the sound of the music". What? Did that stuff really start that soon? And then there's all the dates she's mentioned in interviews about when different things would supposedly be released... the mixtape and AKA re-release that never occurred, when music videos were supposed to drop, etc.) Aside from the age thing, I'm not even suggesting she deliberately misleads. As you say, she may give simplified versions, or misremember things. Nevertheless, the result is the same: Her saying when something happened or will happen ain't enough receipts for me.

Taken with some small to large portion of salt, yes, but also:
 
1. I don't recall the issue on .fm over her claim to have written Axl and Elvis at 16/17. Who was skeptical and why? Does the fact that the claim was met with skepticism on the old forum necessarily mean anything on its own?
 
2. What's the context of PSB being the first song she wrote? Who did she say that to? I think sometimes we have to consider the audience, that is, who she is talking/responding to. She probably treats questions differently depending on who is asking. I don't mean to imply that she lies to certain people and not to others, but that maybe the picture she paints for certain people is a little less complete because they are not as knowledgeable on the subject and so it wouldn't affect them as much to give them incomplete answers or answers that require less thought and backstory. Also, what if she wrote the PSB lyrics first and then recorded the demo years later, and that's what she means?
 
3. Yayo could have been written years before any demo was recorded. Or how do we know that one of the two Yayo demos we have don't date to seven years ago? Or how do we know there aren't other Yayo demos that we don't have, and have never even heard of, that date back to seven years ago? Or what if--because few people know the timeline of their own life with precise accuracy--that she misremembered and that it was really six years, not seven? Does the one year discrepancy totally disqualify her word? Let's keep in mind that it is very common for artists to have songs around for years, sometimes even DECADES, before doing something definitive with them, and in that time the song could morph in so many ways and be demoed many times or not demoed at all, etc.
 
4. The touring outside the US for a period of three years...are you referring to the Ride monologue or something else? If it's the monologue from the video, that is not to be taken as fact.

You crazy, boy. Other way around, by a long shot. Sirens is the peak of her guitar playing, in terms of technical abilities.
 
 
Yeah, by one year. Don't think there's a need to be so pedantic when it comes to the age thing. If she said she recorded something when she was 16 or 17, then okay, give or take a year, no big deal. It's not as if she is absurdly trying to pass for many years younger.
 
My educated guess, based on guitar playing and her voice, is that Axl Rose Husband and Elvis are among the earliest recordings. They were undoubtedly recorded during the same period and were recorded on the internal mic of her laptop whereas Money Hunny and Fordham Road weren't. Who knows what that means. Did she start off recording with the internal mic of her laptop and eventually upgrade her equipment as "logic" might dictate? Or did she have decent equipment at first and, say, she had to sell it, or she got rid of it for whatever reason and then started recording again but took a step down in equipment? Maybe she had to sell her microphone for drug money? Maybe she moved and got rid off all her possessions. Did she borrow equipment from friends at one point or another? Did one of her friends record her with their own equipment, as is a common thing to do? Who knows. I don't think there's anything we can really extract from this because anything could have happened in any chronological order. Sirens is a studio recording though, that much we know. She is likely to have amassed some home recordings prior to going into a studio for the first time, though that, of course, is not a set in stone rule. I believe, stylistically, Fordham Road is closer to the period of Sirens.
 
So my educated guess based on observation and the little that we do know is, chronologically:
 
Axl Rose Husband
Elvis
Money Hunny
Fordham Road
Sirens
 
I'm just using the songs that have been mentioned in this thread, i don't have the energy right now to recall other possible contenders.
 
EDIT: Then again, take the example of John Frusciante. If you didn't know any facts about him and only had his solo recordings to go by to try to piece together information, there was a time when his guitar playing actually worsened and became noticeably simpler because he was strung out on heroin while recording AND the equipment he was using at that point was a step down because he had either gotten rid of all his shit or lost it or it was stolen or he had sold it for drug money, etc. Again, "logic" would dictate that the less advanced playing and more primitive recording equipment would be an indicator of these recordings preceding the stuff that exhibits the more advanced playing and better sound quality, when that actually isn't the case.

Axl Rose Husband was recorded when she was 16.
(If I'm good at maths that is 2001 or even 2000 considering it was 11 months ago she commented that?)

found a color pic of chuck and her fish 

I did understand and I think everyone already did too. Wasp is a club and Lana doesn't have a membership rewards card