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At least I incorporated Blue Banisters into mine  I'm a warning point virgin and would like to keep it that way for as long as I possibly can 
 

Elle handing out WPs because we’ve drifted off topic again…

Hopefully I uploaded this correctly 
 

I don’t think everyone has started to hate NFR, but rather, people are realizing (and Lana herself has suggested this) that the reason it is so lauded is because it represents a shift from the things that Lana was ruthlessly and unfairly criticized for. And now that Lana seems to be going against the grain of that after the criticism she’s endured within the last year, the record in the broader context of her discography retrospectively shows critics’ arguably performative favouring of Lana. So I’d say it’s not that NFR is inherently a disingenuous record, but rather that more external audiences are just against the idea of Lana being her unapologetic self as much as possible. 

Has anyone noticed that she got paint on her dress & you can see it while she's sitting on the john deere? I just think that's cute 

Has anyone noticed that she got paint on her dress & you can see it while she's sitting on the john deere? I just think that's cute 

This site is actually the only place I know about where that consensus (fortunately!) doesnt exist. NFR kinda started a civil war between Lanaboarders which hasn't still ended I think, hahahaha

i don’t think any of us are saying we hate it, we’re just saying it’s not her best and people only claim it is cause it’s a cute & easy album to digest. A lot of us don’t feel that it’s her strongest work but we don’t say anything cause the nfr obsessed rats will tear your house down 

lana's "tropes" really make her lyricism & music even more in-depth & artistic, roses, chateau marmont, diamonds, classic rock musicians, hollywood, palms, "daddy", trailer parks, tattoos, motorcycles, etc. would the lana del rey experience be the same if she didn't mention "blue" in every other song? i don't think so!

she says "too lana" like it's a bad thing  what does that even mean? although nfr isn't quite filled with all of the "lana tropes" (which i personally love those "tropes") it's still made by the exact same woman who made born to die, paradise, etc. i don't even think lana's music is that "melodramatic" and honestly, this is a matter of personal taste but, i'd rather listen to lana's "melodramatic" music filled with "lana tropes" then something which is made for the critics or a wide audience, lana's music is polarizing, it's unique, it's not for everybody, but it's geniune, it's real, it's true art, especiall in a day & age where people seem to value money & commercial value over real artistry

Just goes to show that 'NFR!', while it has its qualities and I can understand the appreciation it gets, from an OG fan perspective it feels like her most digestible album; I don't want to say it's watered down, because there is definitely some Lana-isms in there, but it's definitely not as controversial as a body of work than albums like 'Born To Die' or 'Ultraviolence'. You either like Lana as she is or you don't, this whole "I like it when she's not really doing her thing" to dismiss her earlier work is so silly.
 
I genuinely believe that 'Blue Banisters' is a beautiful album, but it's definitely not made for the masses.

I think critics and everyone liked NFR because it was a watered down version of Lana so it was easier to digest. It’s a cute album, easy to listen to but to call it her best or to try to act like nothing will top it is just silly. Lana said it herself, if everyone likes it maybe it’s not that good. Again, it’s a cute album but it’s like a watered down version of Lana. 

These posts remind me of a conversation I had with a friend after NFR came out. They really liked the record and I said something like, “wow, that’s great, you should definitely check out some of Lana’s other albums, like Ultraviolence and Honeymoon!” And they had the audacity to look me in the eye and say , “no thanks, those albums are too Lana, like they’re too melodramatic for me.” I was quite perturbed by that comment and can vouch for what everyone is saying about the general public being more receptive to a record that veers away from what they typically associate with Lana (hence, my friend using ‘Lana’ as a descriptor in and of itself). 
 
While I love NFR and think it’s an amazing record, people’s dismissal of her other 7 records is exactly my issue with the culture. Beating a dead horse, I know — but the entire point of Question for the Culture was valid, and is applicable to any woman (and I guess a bit further, any person) existing in any space, professional or not (I can attest to this personally).

I've noticed this so much since NFR. I don't know if it was others seeing the heavy acclaim it got or what, but after that album, a lot of artists have started trying to make their own mini NFRs. I find it kind of funny that BTD and NFR have been influential to other artists despite being such different albums. I wonder if people will start emulating Blue Banisters if it does well 

Welp….Lana is fucked 

Like Lana said herself: if everyone likes it, maybe it’s not that good!!

yet, now it seems like everybody wants their chance at working with jack antonoff and creating their own beachy/folky bodies of work... even when she's more "likable" & "accessible" she's an influential trendsetter

Thank God Lana makes music for herself and her fans and not for so called music critics who seemingly live in their little echo chamber—thinking they make and break careers.

it's honestly stupid to compare every album she's ever made/will eventually make to nfr, is she supposed to do the exact same thing for the rest of her career? are all of her past albums completely irrelevant garbage because she made a record which they think is valid enough?  artists grow, shift, change, & experiment, it's such a foolish pedestal to put her on, especially since lana's hinted at the fact that she wasn't happy about people respecting her only when she made an album which was "happier" and more "gp friendly", they could only respect her artistry if it didn't push the boundaries and go beyond the comfort zones of the today's music landscapes, there will never be another lana del rey, or born to die, or ultraviolence, she created something truly unique & special, yet they only respect her vision if it's one they can be comfortable with  

I absolutely dread the fact that critics now consider 'NFR!' to be the blueprint of Lana albums, like the one that she will need to top. In my honest opinion, 'Blue Banisters' stands on its own and does not need to be compared in any capacity to her so called "career height". 
 
I know I've said a lot about 'NFR!' since day one, and I have definitely softened up to that album, but I still have so many issues with it; while I think it's a good album, the demo-like production, tin can mixing and oftentimes cringe lyrics are seriously ruining the whole experience for me. In that regard, 'Blue Banisters' is overall miles ahead.

Not to offend anyone here, but NFR already seemed (except for 2/3 songs) like quite a weak album compared to COCC, and putting it against BB is just absurd. I absolutely respect the fact that people can like one album more than the other (be them which they may), but all the NFR discourse on that review has absolutely zero to do with artistic elements on NFR (there isnt any reflection based on that criterion there) and everything with the critics reception of that album. Saying that an album is "a masterpiece" just because critics have said so is absurd. I truly, truly miss some approach to that album that differs from the "official" one. It's hurtful to see that BB isnt even out yet and still it's already getting undermined by reviews done by parameters as such...

That Stereogum review is so poorly written and disorganized. And all those references to NFR as her masterpiece… the jokes just write themselves.

I think the atmosphere of Blue Banisters as a whole (videos, music, album covers, etc.) could be described as "cozy, autumn afternoon". There's such a particular vibe and aesthetic that's been built around this era and I can't even point my finger on how it was done, but it's stunning. 

wrong thread 

I mean... If BB/COCC were a single project with their best songs, it would probably be Lana's best album...