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  1. BethDufreneOnTheBayouByYou liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    My understanding is that TRPWS is not just Lasso retitled, but Lasso reconceived, and maybe radically so.
     
    If Lana was so concerned about other musicians releasing a country album, why would simply retitling it and delayings its release make any difference?  
  2. Demonmic03 liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    My understanding is that TRPWS is not just Lasso retitled, but Lasso reconceived, and maybe radically so.
     
    If Lana was so concerned about other musicians releasing a country album, why would simply retitling it and delayings its release make any difference?  
  3. NikoGo liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    My understanding is that TRPWS is not just Lasso retitled, but Lasso reconceived, and maybe radically so.
     
    If Lana was so concerned about other musicians releasing a country album, why would simply retitling it and delayings its release make any difference?  
  4. 13beachess liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  5. sparklejumpropeweed liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  6. Karolll liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  7. Embach liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  8. Demonmic03 liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  9. Cow liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  10. Nightcall liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    I'd accept one from Lana at any time. In its pure form, it's the oldest American genre; it's beyond trendiness. I don't understand why she abandoned Lasso due to some other non-country artists were producing their version of a country album about the same time. 
     
    We know she has a unique idea of what a country song sounds like. If Ride is country, then I'm all for it, as it's one of my all-time Lana favorites. 
  11. Vertimus liked a post in a topic by Embach in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    Would have you accepted a full country album from Lana in idk for example 2017 when it wasn't as trendy as now tho?
  12. Vertimus liked a post in a topic by Thats why they call me Dita in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    No, she can keep it now for a few years and we can enjoy it without it having this “dated” sound. Lana’s work works because she’ll pull out a genre almost in isolation of the rest of the world. So she can do that in the future when this country craze has passed. Give us something different now 
  13. robster liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  14. luckypartyoftwo liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  15. luckypartyoftwo liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    No more than any of us would.
     
    We know little to nothing about their relationship, we don't know Jeremy, and we don't know Lana either. It's none of our business.
     
    'Facts,' suppositions, and opinions about her political beliefs have varied widely over the last decade or so, largely based on brief sound bytes like 'I don't find feminism a very interesting idea,' or whatever her exact wording was.
     
    She wrote at least one song against Trump during the his first administration--When the World Was At War--and the other political songs from LFL were dropped. 
     
    Based on what we know or think we know, we can stop stanning her or drop her completely if we want to. We have choices. 
     
    TRPWS is, I think, unlikely to have any direct political content. 
  16. angelsforeverangels liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  17. blueskiesforever liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  18. blueskiesforever liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    No more than any of us would.
     
    We know little to nothing about their relationship, we don't know Jeremy, and we don't know Lana either. It's none of our business.
     
    'Facts,' suppositions, and opinions about her political beliefs have varied widely over the last decade or so, largely based on brief sound bytes like 'I don't find feminism a very interesting idea,' or whatever her exact wording was.
     
    She wrote at least one song against Trump during the his first administration--When the World Was At War--and the other political songs from LFL were dropped. 
     
    Based on what we know or think we know, we can stop stanning her or drop her completely if we want to. We have choices. 
     
    TRPWS is, I think, unlikely to have any direct political content. 
  19. moneynotorietyrivieras liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  20. Demonmic03 liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  21. Karolll liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    This is a smart move in every way. "Man does not live by Lana alone." Making a pure cult figure of an artist is bad for the cultist and bad for the artist too. 
  22. Karolll liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And many artists don't even creatively last 10 years--they fizzle quickly.
     
    Lana's output has been of extraordinarily high quality. She's never released a purely bad album (knockwood) like so many other reputable contemporary artists have. I may not care much for OB, but I can't objectively say it's a bad album.  
  23. sparklejumpropeweed liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
  24. honeymoon is alive liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in The Right Person Will Stay - Pre-Release Thread (OUT: May 21st, 2025)   
    And let's not forget Ann Powers writing about how Lana should or must feel and think on any number of issues as a woman and female. Otherwise, Powers implied, you're out of the girls' club, you're foolish, you're a puppet of male influence, a manipulated media creation, retrogressive, etc. 
     
    Here's one Powers snippet from the NFR! era: 
     
    "Lana Del Rey is all about wrong combinations: sunset dreams and dirty water, Mexican-American braids and a wetsuit, hip-hop flow and torch song feeling, conventional feminine submissiveness and post-feminist self-possession. Cognitive dissonance is the essence of her art, the way she builds her dream logic...The tone of her voice as she uttered these words [in Video Games] was forever after labeled "sad," but was really something different. My mom would have called it "needy"; today, more common descriptions are "disempowered," "self-sabotaging," "unwoke.""
     
    Kim Gordon, the respected co-founder of Sonic Youth, also came out against Lana for being retrogressive and backward. "The Sonic Youth founder says: “Today we have someone like Lana Del Rey … who believes women can do whatever they want, which, in her world, tilts toward self-destruction, whether it’s sleeping with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Equal pay and equal rights would be nice.”
     
    I say, let Lana be.
     
    People have a perfect right to like her, love her, dislike her, or dislike who they perceive her to be even if they continue to like her music, and say so, as all of us do about any performer or anything at all. If Lana is anti-feminist, then she has that right (though I don't think she is).
     
    Politically and culturally liberal artists (and cultural institutions themselves) like Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, and Bruce Springsteen--would hardly support Lana is she was the way the media has painted her. I note most or all of them believe in the relativity of belief and the depth and complexity of individuals.
     
    What's fascist is to say, "You must think this way about feminism," "you must believe as I do about Marxism, Wokism, or MAGA-ism," "there's only one way to think about _______," etc.   
     
    We'll see what the lyrics and album concept of TRPWS will add to this ongoing conversation and debate. 
     
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