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Actually break down people's arguments and address the points they made instead of trivialising challenge. 
 
If you think her turning up 30 - 50 minutes late every show + singing half-arsed acapellas of NFR songs on the NFR tour is acceptable, then okay. It's not "bratty" to be unhappy with unprofessionalism. 
 
As for the cop thing, as I said - not accurate - but take that to the cop thread if you want to discuss. 

This whole "White Hot Forever will be NFR 2.0" is actually pretty disappointing and lazy. 
 
I legit hope they:
 
a) change that cheap microphone
b) hire an actual sound engineer to get rid of the white noises, tinny piano notes, to basically avoid all the other cheap/amateur-ish recording mistakes that were made on this record.
c) actually use some bass in the instrumentals to avoid that flat sound.

It goes with everything she does though. Having fans that sorta worship you at an altar, and give you a license to kill might do that to you. This "Lana can't do no wrong" mindset from a lot of fans is toxic, and doesn't build the ground for thoughtful and animated discussions about the state of things. And that goes for more than just her shows and what they might encompass.

It goes with everything she does though. Having fans that sorta worship you at an altar, and give you a license to kill might do that to you. This "Lana can't do no wrong" mindset from a lot of fans is toxic, and doesn't build the ground for thoughtful and animated discussions about the state of things. And that goes for more than just her shows and what they might encompass.

This whole "White Hot Forever will be NFR 2.0" is actually pretty disappointing and lazy. 
 
I legit hope they:
 
a) change that cheap microphone
b) hire an actual sound engineer to get rid of the white noises, tinny piano notes, to basically avoid all the other cheap/amateur-ish recording mistakes that were made on this record.
c) actually use some bass in the instrumentals to avoid that flat sound.

I will forever find funny how there legit are stans out there that use Pitchfork/Metacritic scores as proof of her success or so called greatness on this record.
 
The sucky scores she got for her past albums didn't stop anyone from actually enjoying them at the time of their release and then some, didn't it?
 
I can't with these people that are basically agreeing that all of a sudden Lana finally released a great album, same critics that not only did they only judged her so called persona in these reviews, but never actually gave her the credit she rightfully deserved for her songwriting and melodies/production on her past releases.
 
Fucking laughable. 
 

It goes with everything she does though. Having fans that sorta worship you at an altar, and give you a license to kill might do that to you. This "Lana can't do no wrong" mindset from a lot of fans is toxic, and doesn't build the ground for thoughtful and animated discussions about the state of things. And that goes for more than just her shows and what they might encompass.

Is it sad that I wouldn't even be that surprised if Lana wrote a lyric directly referencing Win Edwards? Or was that already done in the babiess on the tour lyfe lyric?
 

I will forever find funny how there legit are stans out there that use Pitchfork/Metacritic scores as proof of her success or so called greatness on this record.
 
The sucky scores she got for her past albums didn't stop anyone from actually enjoying them at the time of their release and then some, didn't it?
 
I can't with these people that are basically agreeing that all of a sudden Lana finally released a great album, same critics that not only did they only judged her so called persona in these reviews, but never actually gave her the credit she rightfully deserved for her songwriting and melodies/production on her past releases.
 
Fucking laughable. 
 

This whole "White Hot Forever will be NFR 2.0" is actually pretty disappointing and lazy. 
 
I legit hope they:
 
a) change that cheap microphone
b) hire an actual sound engineer to get rid of the white noises, tinny piano notes, to basically avoid all the other cheap/amateur-ish recording mistakes that were made on this record.
c) actually use some bass in the instrumentals to avoid that flat sound.

I will forever find funny how there legit are stans out there that use Pitchfork/Metacritic scores as proof of her success or so called greatness on this record.
 
The sucky scores she got for her past albums didn't stop anyone from actually enjoying them at the time of their release and then some, didn't it?
 
I can't with these people that are basically agreeing that all of a sudden Lana finally released a great album, same critics that not only did they only judged her so called persona in these reviews, but never actually gave her the credit she rightfully deserved for her songwriting and melodies/production on her past releases.
 
Fucking laughable. 
 

OMG! I can't believe the WHF tracklist leaked!!!!!!
 
 
 

So let me get this straight:
 
1. She can't perform for more than an hour and fifteen minutes at most (and that's when she feels like performing for more than an hour and not cutting down on show time).
 
2. She literally shows up late to each and every concert.
 
3. Has an eponymously named tour, and performs like 5 songs at most from the album. But decides to recycle the same setlist from her past three "tours". Instead of singing new songs, she does covers and brings people on stage to take the attention away from her (which I'm not actually complaining about she actually brought (or will bring) Legends on stage with her! But it actually cuts down on show time, which could be use to perform newer songs).
 
4. Either does small acapella versions of the other songs from the album and/or relies on fans to remember the lyrics and has this "fuck it" attitude when they don't seem to remember them, nor does she seem to remember her own lyrics herself... 
 
5. Shows up on stage with the ugliest, most grandma-ish, Little House On The Prairie meets The Handmaid's Tale clothes she can find (her style on stage is debatable though)
 
6. Seems to be flustered or annoyed to be on stage. #vapegate
 
7. Not always on top of her game as far as vocals go. Also, doesn't she seem to care for hitting notes and relies heavily on the ever loud backtrack or her tour lyfe babiesTM to take over.
 
8. Seemingly only interacts with the same five stans that literally attend every single one of her shows (that's on her, but it sucks for people who are looking forward to that one interaction with her for the first time (and also probably the only chance they got too)).
 
9. Ridiculous price tags for her ugliest, most lackluster merch to date (literally stuck a "Venice Bitch" patch on a Dickies jacket, tagged it 150$ and called it a day    )
 
 
What a time to be alive and be a Lana stan. 
 
She never was the most amazing live act, but there was somewhat an attention to detail, or she actually seemed to enjoy performing for her fans. But it's all gone downhill... wow.

This whole "White Hot Forever will be NFR 2.0" is actually pretty disappointing and lazy. 
 
I legit hope they:
 
a) change that cheap microphone
b) hire an actual sound engineer to get rid of the white noises, tinny piano notes, to basically avoid all the other cheap/amateur-ish recording mistakes that were made on this record.
c) actually use some bass in the instrumentals to avoid that flat sound.

It goes with everything she does though. Having fans that sorta worship you at an altar, and give you a license to kill might do that to you. This "Lana can't do no wrong" mindset from a lot of fans is toxic, and doesn't build the ground for thoughtful and animated discussions about the state of things. And that goes for more than just her shows and what they might encompass.

It goes with everything she does though. Having fans that sorta worship you at an altar, and give you a license to kill might do that to you. This "Lana can't do no wrong" mindset from a lot of fans is toxic, and doesn't build the ground for thoughtful and animated discussions about the state of things. And that goes for more than just her shows and what they might encompass.

suck that cop's dick, go off.

Oh my God ...  your points aren't even remotely accurate, but go off. Way to trivialise. 

Sadly, I think her ego seems to bave inflated because of her fans who will scream for her no matter what she does on stage. Her voice sounded better in the Paradise era because she felt like she actually had something to prove back then.

Agree about the clothes, they are not that ugly per se. But they are not concert material for sure.
 
But as of 4,6 and 7... didn't she throw a fit because she lost her vape? And also got upset twice at fans for not knowing the lyrics? Like that's her job to do that lmao.
 

So let me get this straight:
 
1. She can't perform for more than an hour and fifteen minutes at most (and that's when she feels like performing for more than an hour and not cutting down on show time).
 
2. She literally shows up late to each and every concert.
 
3. Has an eponymously named tour, and performs like 5 songs at most from the album. But decides to recycle the same setlist from her past three "tours". Instead of singing new songs, she does covers and brings people on stage to take the attention away from her (which I'm not actually complaining about she actually brought (or will bring) Legends on stage with her! But it actually cuts down on show time, which could be use to perform newer songs).
 
4. Either does small acapella versions of the other songs from the album and/or relies on fans to remember the lyrics and has this "fuck it" attitude when they don't seem to remember them, nor does she seem to remember her own lyrics herself... 
 
5. Shows up on stage with the ugliest, most grandma-ish, Little House On The Prairie meets The Handmaid's Tale clothes she can find (her style on stage is debatable though)
 
6. Seems to be flustered or annoyed to be on stage. #vapegate
 
7. Not always on top of her game as far as vocals go. Also, doesn't she seem to care for hitting notes and relies heavily on the ever loud backtrack or her tour lyfe babiesTM to take over.
 
8. Seemingly only interacts with the same five stans that literally attend every single one of her shows (that's on her, but it sucks for people who are looking forward to that one interaction with her for the first time (and also probably the only chance they got too)).
 
9. Ridiculous price tags for her ugliest, most lackluster merch to date (literally stuck a "Venice Bitch" patch on a Dickies jacket, tagged it 150$ and called it a day    )
 
 
What a time to be alive and be a Lana stan. 
 
She never was the most amazing live act, but there was somewhat an attention to detail, or she actually seemed to enjoy performing for her fans. But it's all gone downhill... wow.

I posted the video of her singing HIAB at the previous show in it's thread, in that one she asked the crowd to help her with the words to HIAB. The crowd sang a big part of the song then she said "well, that was unhelpful" because they missed the very first lines of the song (lana then did them beautifully). You can go and check if you don't believe it
 
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You are the one who needs to get out.

I don’t think anyone is bratty for thinking Lana should know her own lyrics, or at the very least not get pissy at fans for not knowing her lyrics.

this tour is a damn mess. Hope she gets her shit together before the European leg and midwestern leg 

Agree about the clothes, they are not that ugly per se. But they are not concert material for sure.
 
But as of 4,6 and 7... didn't she throw a fit because she lost her vape? And also got upset twice at fans for not knowing the lyrics? Like that's her job to do that lmao.