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had to download it… too good crafted

Just like "«Tropico» discussion thread", I wanted to create a separate thread for a discussion and systematization of Lana's fifth studio album's sessions, that would later become "Lust for Life". Here's a timeline of sessions' development based on facts we know of (if I'm wrong anywhere let me know):
 

This all gives us an approximate timeline of tracklist's changes:
1. After a political climate change;
2. After the leak of "Best American Record";
3. After Lana axed 3 tracks, making from 18 tracks 15 tracks, to which "Change" will later be added as 16th track.

And here are all sessions from June 2015 - June 2017 that we know of so far:
1. "Serene Queen" (the song was made in one day, is a rough demo that was made on earliest "Lust for Life" sessions and was never come back to again);
2. "Best American Record";
3. "Yosemite";
4. "Sugary Sweet" (acapella 30-seconds idea; snippet leaked);
5. "Cry Kill Die" (snippet leaked);
6. "Roses Bloom for You" (originally planned to be an "intro" to the album; most likely, the one-minute audio that Lana shared via Instagram is the entire track);
7. "Everything I Do" (snippet leaked);
8. "Poetry in Motion" (snippet leaked);
9. Unknown Song (snippet: "When you call...");
10. "Say Yes to Heaven" ("Honeymoon" Version; this version firstly was in consideration for a fifth studio album, but later was reworked);
11. "Say Yes to Heaven" (Fred Gibson 2016 Version);
12. "Fine China" (2016 Version);
13. "Silverlake";
14. "LA Who Am I to Love You";
15. "Malibu";
16-19. 4 political outtakes (Lana shared in an interview);
20-22. 4 songs sent to A$AP Rocky for a collaboration (one of them was "Groupie Love");
23-24. 4 unknown songs "left on the cutting room floor" (2 of the songs are presumably "Yosemite" and "Best American Record");
25-... Other "amazing outtakes from 2016"; songs, meant to be on a follow-up album, that consisted out of outtakes from "Lust for Life" sessions.

Alleged tracks:
1. "California" (A "Honeymoon" outtake, insider reported that Lana loved the song and, allegedly, tried to release it on further albums, tried to even make it a single, but this wasn't confirmed);
2. "Wild One" (In 2015, Justin Parker made minimal changes to the original 2012 track "Mike," renamed it "Wild One" and registered with the original version of "Beautiful People Beautiful Problems." But this was done, supposedly, without any purpose, so the track is not an outtake from either "Honeymoon" or "Lust for Life". However, "Beautiful People Beautiful Problems" was later released on "Lust for Life");

it feels so weird now i have so many dark concepts how fine china wouldve sounded like with DA.... i just hope this song got more polished version omfg... i forever stan this song.... why? why dan didnt u reworked it for us? so... now we have + 2 unknown songs from Dan Auerbach sessions..?

can u pls reup this one? 

hundred dollar bill isnt rumored, and we dont know which version of put the radio on was going to appear on it, we have only one confirmed early tracklist that contained outtakes and this is how it looked like
Video Games Blue Jeans Born to Die Put the Radio On Million Dollar Man Diet Mountain Dew Summertime Sadness Carmen Off to the Races This Is What Makes Us Girls Lolita National Anthem Deluxe Version
     13. Without You
     14. Dark Paradise
     15. Hundred Dollar Bill

and well we have yet another confirmation that Queen of Disaster was going to open BTD at one point, but we dont know that tracklist iteration, that makes 3 safe options for outtakes (and also, the leaked version of queen of disaster is final and the same one that were supposed for that unknown iteration (all we know is that queen of disaster was the track 1, and born to die was the track 2), at least final version from chris braide)
a reach would be to assume Kinda Outta Luck and You Can Be the Boss were also reworked because she performed them later on in 2011, and she expressed her desire to release kinda outta luck alongside diet mountain dew, but her label didnt let her (alhough reworked version of diet mountain dew later appeared on official tracklist)

the other 4 tracks tagged as b-sides - on our way, velvet crowbar, marilyn monroe and tv in black & white can be considered outtakes for this album, BUT i mostlysure they were tagged so because maybe she was wanted emile haynie to rework them, because the 5th track, that contained the same tag was summertime sadness demo, that was later reworked and released officially (midning that the track was initially going to be deluxe track), but in the end she never reworked them (at least for what we know as for now), so they cant be really considered outtale for the album we've got, but if you count them (that will not be a mistake), we have these tracks

1. Hundred Dollar Bill
2. Put the Radio On
3. Queen of Disaster
4. Kinda Outta Luck
5. You Can Be the Boss
6. Velvet Crowbar
7. Marilyn Monroe
8. On Our Way
9. TV in Black & White

then, we have those 3 tracks, serial killer, us against the world and paradise performed live, i want to say she really liked us against the world due to it being downloaded at some time alongside other songs like carmen diet mountain dew off to the races etc, but i dont think it was ever in cosnideration for a rework for any project atfter 2010, and out of the three, i would consider serila killer to be included on btd too, i feel it had always belonged to this album and the sound that emile haynie did for it

the thing about the first album (that will later become btd) is that it had entirely different sound until she didnt meet emile haynie in march 2011, and she herself once said, this album has always been more of a mixtape type thing, and songs were being tied purely based on vibe and themes, its like most of her 2010 stuff had that gansgter wildwestern thing to it, songs like velvet crowbar, kinda outta luck, you can be the boss, driving in cars with boys, live or die, she's not me, off to the races OG  version, hey lolita hey, i want it all and similar, it could easily be tied within one project, and i think this was the sound she was stick around for up until she didnt meet emile haynie, and after that, i think she finally found the vision fot all of that and reworked the album with him (tho in one interview from recent times she mentioned she didnt really want him to be a main producer afaik?) and from that point it had that classic sound to it, but what was befor that, was, maybe, approximately, the same pool of songs (national anthem, off to the races, diet mountain dew and the rest), but tied with another theme and sound (we know there are many working titles of this album (G.B.A, The Best of Lana Del Rey, The Revenge of Lana Del Rey, The World is Ours, Do U Luv Me Yet?), and i believe one of them is definitely from these pre-emile haynie times), and we as well have the imagination of how this album looked like, because we have this sampler that was sent to the guardian, and i think these songs were in consideration for a pre-emile haynie itaraion of an album, this is the sampler from may 2011
 
National Anthem (Nexus/Justin Parker; Demo 1) Born to Die (Emile Haynie; Demo 2) Live or Die (Jaz Rogers) Hey Lolita Hey (Liam Howe; Demo 1) Million Dollar Man (Chris Braide; Demo) Video Games (Justin Parker/Robopop; Unknown Version, supposedly Unmastered Version) Paris (Guy Chambers/Liam Howe) Puppy Love (Justin Parker) Driving in Cars With Boys (Nexus; 2011 Version) This is What Makes Us Girls (Tim Larcombe; Demo 1) Hundred Dollar Bill (Jayson Michael) Are You Ready? (Eg White) Diet Mountain Dew (Alexis Smith/Crispin Hunt/Mike Daly; Demo 3) You Can Be The Boss (Alexis Smith) Kinda Outta Luck (Alexis Smith) Carmen (Justin Parker; Demo) Put the Radio On (Biff Stannard) Blue Jeans (Emile Haynie; Unknown Version, supposedly Unmastered Version) it contains already some demo recordings from emile haynie, but despite done by him, the sound different from the final album, and all the other songs that were sent, are still demo recordings from 2009-2010 times, that had that gangster sound (but paris and oooh baby has always been too random for this sampler for me😭), u can see it has songs that were later reworked by emile, but some werent, that makes it clear that this album was always about vibes mainly, but outtakes from sampler cant be considered as outtakes for btd final because it was still being differnet project in sound, but u can count them too as potential tracks that were going to be reworked by emile, since some of them survived all these constant changes in 2010

and i believe the born to die as we know it now started appearing in summer-early fall 2011, after her sessions with rick and after radio happened (because she recorded it tight after video games started playing on the radio), where she had a clear vision of sound and concept started combining songs this way, but even then, the most interesting thing is that hundred dollar bill stayed on the album as long as december 2011, so we almost get the song, so basically who knows how exactly the timeline of becoming botn to die was going, it even doesnt need a special kind of a discussion of its timeline, basically all we need is drafts for this album to see what vision she had for the album at what time, but if you would want to narrow it down to one particular number, my list for what i call a strong btd outtake without timeline, just songs that were in consideration for any of its draft at any point, would be:

1. Hundred Dollar Bill
2. Put the Radio On
3. Queen of Disaster
4. Kinda Outta Luck
5. You Can Be the Boss
6. Velvet Crowbar
7. Marilyn Monroe
8. On Our Way
9. TV in Black & White
10. Serial Killer
11. Paradise
12. Us Against the World
13. Paris
14. Are You ready?
15. Last Girl on Earth
16. Hollywood's Dead
17. American Dream (Damn You)
18. What's a Girl to Do
19. Because of You
20. French Restaurant
 
yeah to one point it was final but then it was reworked by emile haynie
http://lanaboards.com/topic/17328-lust-for-life-album-recordingwriting-timeline-and-creative-process-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=1634330

what 

“Kinda Outta Luck” 2010
1. Kinda Outta Luck
2. Driving in Cars with Boys
3. Behind Closed Doors
4. Dangerous Girl
5. Girl That Got Away
6. You Can Be the Boss
7. Velvet Crowbar
8. On Our Way
 
Aesthetics — this photoshoot https://lanaboards.com/topic/960-billboard-nicole-nodland-august-20th-2010/#comments
 
The mixtape, the aesthetics and the sound of it, is supposed to have a redneck feel to it im really getting this vibe from her 2010 art

oh

i spoke to one person and he sent to me list of known unreleased florence stuff (excluding some leaked lungs—pre-lungs stuff that is known), and some things in there were new to me (in bold), here is the list (things with “?” mark are unconfirmed)
 
Pre lungs
Tear Out My Tongue/Ye Olde Hope (demo)
Hotel Yorba
i assume studio versions? as live versions available here https://thegreatbrainrobbery.co.uk/new-album not sure if it was known tho but i’m pretty sure i haven’t seen hotel yorba title before, so i linked it just in case

Lungs:
Box song
Paper Massacre (possibly never finished)
Building Bricks (throwing bricks demo)
No falling stars (cosmic love demo)
The Hanging Song (?)

Pre Ceremonials:
I Still Bleed Red

Ceremonials:
Love Note
Oh Eden
Contours
No. 1 With A Bullet
I Can Run
Reunion
Gram Of Life (breath of life demo)
It’s alright (lover to lover demo)
IF ONLY FOR TONIGHT (oifan demo)
Soak (?)

Pre HBHBHB:
Honey (leaked)
All magic gone (?)

How Big, How Blue, How Beautiful:
Tantalus (leaked)
I Wanna Be With You
Unbeliever
Within and Without
Sisters (snippet leaked https://krakenfiles.com/view/GrVvOQDhWE/file.html)
Constellation (teaser leaked https://youtu.be/y2Go3ceKw48)
Let me leave (make up your mind demo, snippet leaked https://krakenfiles.com/view/0rii1xVT93/file.html)

Pre hah:
Baptize (leaked)
To be human (snippet leaked https://krakenfiles.com/view/CLrsHHBfuS/file.html)

Hah:
Mirage (Teaser lyrics from book)
WTF (Covered in blood) (leaked)
Strange friendship & Moderation Demo (appeared here https://www.discogs.com/release/21606241-Florence-And-The-Machine-Additional-Tracks, the note from the person: I was writing for some time with a guy who has this demo from discogs and regarding this he wrote me this: ...a couple of years ago i bought a box of promotional stuff from a guy that it used to work in the music industry, and this promo come inside that box, recently i took the box out of the attic and saw the promo and uploaded it here on discogs , the only thing i know about the demos its what's mentioned on the promo. i will upload some pictures of the item at some point.)
God lay low (lq https://youtu.be/y2Go3ceKw48)
South London Forever (Demo in circulation)

DF:
3 unknown demos
My Love demo

Unknown era
Made of Stone (Ceremonials or HBHBHB)
Easier (snippet leaked https://krakenfiles.com/view/n7jtJ6OULJ/file.html)
 
actually, i remember these 4 snippets were shared a time ago, and even were confirmed, but no one could say what title these songs were, so actually, can anybody confirm any of the new titles? her stuff is so rare i barely see her leaks so i wonder in all of that
 
also he mentioned that there were rather a separate album from HBHBHB initially, than an early concept of it, he said: “Yes, it was too personal, but there were more reasons. The strangest thing was that Florence writes a lot about water (water for drinking, not for writing about). Marcus was its producer and it was because of him that the witch trial album was rejected, and tantalus (the beginnings of hbhbhb) changed its tone” “due to the work on it (HBHBHB), work on the ones about the Hollywood Witch stopped (by the new producer). The project was not finished to any great extent, but there were a few demos (for example Which Witch)” 

miss these random infoposts like they were so cool honestly not even really informative ones still good to get regularly

miss these random infoposts like they were so cool honestly not even really informative ones still good to get regularly

yosemite is a great example when the song got released but I love it the same as i loves it when i didn't heard it
uv era idk there every song is iconic Unreleased or not, almost every song is a strong contender for the release and wouldnt be spoiled 

well I actually wrote a whole paragraph about timeline based oneverything we know from insider and from lana, but we dont have Jamie xx versions of the songs yet and im pretty sure they arent the one that were intended to be on tropico, and Dan auerbach demo isnt the one that was supposed to be on tropico
this is what I could come up with
 

i wish i had the same level of involvement in her newer music as she has

we moved on from these chemtrails promo photos way to fast https://ibb.co/2qXfYqM
https://ibb.co/n80Pnd1
https://ibb.co/cgWZXnW

back to tha basics is also that song icl…. but i suspect it to be a pitch song it’s extremely different from anything she done then

had to download it… too good crafted

missing her

omg i really just did that im sorry but the reworked lolita just doesnt fit anywhhere, the OG version is superior and much more fit this song, and the released version is just a whole mess, lucky ones is just such a cinematic little track that really really cute and works cool as a closer 

can’t believe the moment when this finally leaks is going to be a life is beautiful leak moment people will be celebrating weeks long and the day will be like a great holiday for the community and just like life is beautiful this will be a mediocre song but that doesn’t matter

do we know the database where dark paradise was registered as year of summer, this title has always seemed interesting to me

yeah the 2023 leak is 2016 unedited and we still don’t have the og 2010 version in any form

okay but when u think about it … even tho the 2017 california was registered, i believe this b side thing was supposed to only contain rick nowels outtakes, so logically california by rick nowels would’ve been on such project, now i doubt too!

in my dream
June 13 2014 — release of a standard edition of Ultraviolence
July 19 2014 — a fully fleshed out Ultraviolence B-Sides album with a tracklist:
 
1. Black Beauty
2. Guns and Roses
3. Fine China
4. Your Girl
5. Florida Kilos
6. I Talk to Jesus
7. Say Yes to Heaven
8. Is This Happiness
9. Flipside

I would strongly encourage everyone to listen to this interview ahead of the anniversary. She's super open about the inspiration for the album.
Really interesting piece of information where she says her and Dan Auerbach met at The Riviera Gentleman's Club in Queens. I'd never read this before and there's nothing on Google?!?!
 
Holy shit as I'm typing this I realise the "Riviera girls" lyric in Ultraviolence and Fucked My Way To The Top is a reference to the dancers at this club