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Yeah but the timeline of the non-outtake songs are still unknown/messy. We have Gabe Simon songs, Zach Dawes songs, Mike Dean song and Drew Erickson songs. We don't know about the album's outtakes either, besides Loved You Now And Then/Rock Candy Sweet.

But then we’ve been told that there were plans for an EP / Extension of  or LFL (Deluxe), so really it could have been for that, then she met Jack.
 

Okay fine. It’s her SHE IS MILEY CYRUS if you think about it 
Thank god someone else hears these. I thought I was crazy!

You can hear Emile inspired space train/owl sounds in White Mustang and When The World... too! I think it was intentional!

It's called the 4th album curse 

And when the album was released, we found out that Chuck's random Insta story from Summer 2018 was playing Bartender 😭

You can hear Emile inspired space train/owl sounds in White Mustang and When The World... too! I think it was intentional!

I remember when the demo leaked, some fans speculated that Mark Ronson was the producer of the demo.

You can hear Emile inspired space train/owl sounds in White Mustang and When The World... too! I think it was intentional!

(sorry, if I constantly post here cuz I feel like I'm an annoying burden on you all 💀)
 
But during LFL era Lana worked with so many producers besides Rick & Co. For example, with Emile Haynie, it's impossible that they only worked on Love. They were also seen a lot during Spring 2016, so I feel like they worked on 1-2 songs more than Love.
 
I made a list:
 
POSSIBLE SESSIONS WITH EACH PRODUCER AND COLLABORATOR WHO WORKED FOR LUST FOR LIFE

• PRODUCERS •

Rick Nowels & Co. (Kieron Menzies, Dean Reid) sessions (that's basically confirmed because they made like the biggest amount of songs together)

Emile Haynie sessions

Benny Blanco sessions

Max Martin sessions

Mighty Mike sessions (works with Rick Nowels, although his production contribution appears on three songs - 13 Beaches, Heroin and TNBAR)

Tim Larcombe sessions

Boi-1da sessions

Metro Boomin sessions

Justin Parker sessions

Fred Again sessions
 
(the weird thing what I noticed while I looked up the producers' production/writing discography was that she worked with two.....Ed Sheeran's producers - Benny Blanco and Fred Again )

• COLLABORATORS •

The Weeknd sessions

ASAP Rocky sessions (could be with Bo-1da because they work together)

Stevie Nicks sessions

Sean Ono Lennon sessions
 

I think that the last song (or one of the last) recorded for COTCC was Dark But Just A Game, because she said in an interview for MOJO (in 2021) that the Oscars 2020 Afterparty inspired her to write that song:
"A year or so ago, Del Rey attended a party with Jack Antonoff and St. Vincent at the house of Guy Oseary, manager of Madonna and U2. “Something happened,” she says, “kind of a situation like – never meet your idols. And I just thought, ‘I think it’s interesting that the best musicians end up in such terrible places.’ I thought to myself, ‘I’m going to try my best not to change because I love who I am.’ I said, ‘Jack, it’s dark.’ And he said, ‘Well, it’s dark – but I mean, it’s just a game.’” The incident inspires a song on Chemtrails - Dark But Just A Game"

Although we know that the song samples Bird World too, but I still think it's the last song recorded for the album because the afterparty was on Feb 9th, 2020 and quite soon after that quarantine happened. If I'm not wrong, other COTCC songs (except Yosemite, which was recorded in 2016-2017) were recorded during the NFR Tour (like the Nikki and Zella, Weyes collabs and Dance Till We Die, White Dress?) and other songs were recorded during the NFR sessions or after the release of NFR (Not All Who Wander, COTCC, Wild At Heart, Tulsa Jesus Freak, Let Me Love You). She could've changed the songs during the quarantine and after the Sean breakup, who knows.
 

Love Song (Darla's Version) (From The Vault) (10 Minutes Version) when?

I think that the last song (or one of the last) recorded for COTCC was Dark But Just A Game, because she said in an interview for MOJO (in 2021) that the Oscars 2020 Afterparty inspired her to write that song:
"A year or so ago, Del Rey attended a party with Jack Antonoff and St. Vincent at the house of Guy Oseary, manager of Madonna and U2. “Something happened,” she says, “kind of a situation like – never meet your idols. And I just thought, ‘I think it’s interesting that the best musicians end up in such terrible places.’ I thought to myself, ‘I’m going to try my best not to change because I love who I am.’ I said, ‘Jack, it’s dark.’ And he said, ‘Well, it’s dark – but I mean, it’s just a game.’” The incident inspires a song on Chemtrails - Dark But Just A Game"

Although we know that the song samples Bird World too, but I still think it's the last song recorded for the album because the afterparty was on Feb 9th, 2020 and quite soon after that quarantine happened. If I'm not wrong, other COTCC songs (except Yosemite, which was recorded in 2016-2017) were recorded during the NFR Tour (like the Nikki and Zella, Weyes collabs and Dance Till We Die, White Dress?) and other songs were recorded during the NFR sessions or after the release of NFR (Not All Who Wander, COTCC, Wild At Heart, Tulsa Jesus Freak, Let Me Love You). She could've changed the songs during the quarantine and after the Sean breakup, who knows.
 

Jack said in an interview that when he was working with Lana, they were sorting out songs, there were:
• NFR songs
• Bombastic songs
• Quiet songs
 
So I think that they made it during the NFR sessions and when they started "sorting", then they put it in the quiet songs section.
 

Andrew Watt worked on both Doin' Time and FIILY (with Louis Bell). I wonder if they have more songs together.

And when the album was released, we found out that Chuck's random Insta story from Summer 2018 was playing Bartender 😭

Here, we discuss about the writing/recording sessions, production, lyrics, collaborators, outtakes, visuals, themes and the behind of scenes of making of albums "Norman Fucking Rockwell!" and "Chemtrails Over The Country Club".
 
Already starting in 2017, Lana's creative process began to take a slightly different direction, completely changing with the meeting of Jack Antonoff - one of the main producers of the next five years, and now we will try to tell you how Lana's creative process went with the new producer.
 
A complete sound change in early 2018 is preceded by a six-month period in Lana's work, during which she had a writer's block and had few new ideas coming to her until late 2017, and because of that her creative journey had several paths to follow:
 
1. The release of a follow-up album to "Lust for Life, which was to include an original version of the song "Best American Record", "Silverlake" and other "Lust for Life" outtakes. Those plans were canceled after a Jack Antonoff meeting in very early 2018;
 
2. To continue working on the sixth album (which would later become "Norman Fucking Rockwell!") with Rick Nowels. So, during this period several songs were made: "Bartender" (which would later become part of the sixth album) and unknown sessions through the end of 2017, during which a number of unknown tracks were made, one of them - "Get Dark", that was recorded in September 2017.
 
But in January 2018, Lana contacted Jack, and he suggested we "meet, sit down, and just start doing something." Before meeting him, Lana expected him to have some ready-made beat ideas she could use, for Jack's production history is mostly pop-oriented, but Lana would later reveal, ". he spent hours playing chords, and he plays the piano so well that some of the things that he writes, like just melodically, really - it's kind of a classic - and in my case it ended up being more folk-oriented.", "...and in the first week I had two songs that I thought were probably the two best songs that I'd ever written." Here she's probably referring to "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" and "Love Song," which were ready the day Lana and Jack first met (January 29, 2018) *Lana told Vogue Korea in an interview that the process of writing "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" took her 3 years*.

 
For the next year and a half, Lana continued to work on the music exclusively with Jack, describing their process as "(Jack) played me five chords in a row, which ended up becoming a new song each time". Unfortunately, we are almost unaware of the timeline of Lana's creative process on her sixth album, "Norman Fucking Rockwell!", except for the dates of work on the released tracks, which are presented below:
 
- "Venice bitch" (the first version was done in February 2018 [the same version used at the end of the track "Taco Truck x VB"]; the final version was done on June 26, 2018);
- "Norman fucking Rockwell" (the track was reworked from the "Bird World" song, which was made January 29, 2018; final version made June 27, 2018);
- "Happiness is a butterfly" (originally titled "Happiness"; first version was made in March 2018; final version made June 30, 2018);
- "hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have - but i have it" (originally called "Sylvia" and "Sylvia Plath"; first version made January 29, 2018; final version made August 4, 2018);
- "Love Song" (first version made January 29, 2018; final version made August 6, 2018);
- "Mariners apartment complex" (originally titled "I'm Your Man"; first version made February 2018; final version made August 31, 2018);
- "Cinnamon Girl" (originally titled "Cinnamon"; first version made October 2018; final version made December 18, 2018);
- "California" (track is a reworking of a song from 2017; final version made January 18, 2019);
- "How to disappear" (first version made in October 2018; final version made January 20, 2019);
- "The greatest" (first version made in 2018/2019; final version made February 13, 2019);
Undisclosed dates:
- "Bartender" (the track was made in 2017 with Rick Nowles; for the first time, Lana revealed the track's existence on January 28, 2018, and said it "does not yet belong on an upcoming record"; the track played on Lana's sister Chuck Grant [Chuck Grant]'s Instagram Stories on May 10, 2018);
- "The Next Best American Record" (a reworked version of the track "Best American Record"; it is unknown when Lana reworked the track and when it became part of her sixth album);
 
RMF Classic Radio on November 3, 2018 once again confirmed what Lana had said on September 18, 2018, that the album was to be released in late March and that there would be 11 tracks on it (which ones are unknown). Also, in December 2018, MTV UK reported that the album would be released on March 29, 2019, and in December, Lana reported that the album was completely finished and also liked an article stating a March release date for the album.

 
Up to March 29th, various information from different sources kept coming in, either denying or confirming the album's release in March. But when March 29th came, the album was not released for unknown reasons.
 
Over the next 5 months, Lana makes two new songs for the record (Doin' Time [April 2019] and Fuck it I love you [July 2019]), and the world premiere of Lana's sixth studio album Norman Fucking Rockwell! took place on August 30, 2019, and songs made during sessions for the album but not included are:
 
- "Not All Who Wonder Are Lost" (originally titled "Wanderlust"; the track was made during the sessions for "Norman Fucking Rockwell!" but the original version was released on the next album, "Chemtrails Over the Country Club");
- "Valley of the Dolls" (concept demo, was made February 14, 2017 during sessions with The Last Shadow Puppets; later sent as a track idea along with some other unknown tracks for revision to Jack Antonoff; the track was never revised by him);
- "LA Who Am I" (snippet; the track was likely made just for fun, and is a reworked version of the track "LA Who Am I to Love You" from 2016);
- "Talking like an Answering Machine" (the song was first listed on Buma/Sterma and there were rumors that the song was not made until 2018; the chances that the song is real and refers to Lana are higher than that the song is unreal);
- "Bombastic" Outtakes (told by Jack Antonoff during an interview that tracks with an "explosive" sound were made during the sessions for the album that remain unleaked);
- Rick Nowels Outtakes (it was revealed that there are songs made by Rick Nowels for the sixth studio album that remain unleaked).
- "Jimmy" part from "A&W" (In an interview for Rolling Stones, Jack Antonoff talked about the process of making "Jimmy" and "that they had created a while back" suggesting that it was made during the NFR sessions).
 
Thank you for the information @lanaismamom 

Ok, let me handle it.
 
I'm certain that my following unoopular opinion/theory is (very) controversial AND LONG! 
 
The so-called "witchy dreamy spacey cosmic folky psychedelic ambient" original concept is a myth. I don't think that the "witchiness" was even the goal for the album. I have also thought that Lana wasn't really certain either what she wanted for the album. Once in 2015 she talked about her thoughts on the new album "like a New York record, less dreamy and more upbeat". Then in 2016 (at the Pre-Grammy Gala?) she said that the upcoming album will have a similar aesthetic with Honeymoon, although in February 2017 Insta livestream she said that LFL will have a retro-futuristic aesthetic. But the album has also Woodstock/1960s-70s hippie aesthetics which are also seen on the album cover which was shot already in June/July 2016 (the hippie-peace inspired looks were also seen in the Festival Tour 2016). Also at first she made some Shangri-Las inspired songs, then after Donald Trump's victory in November 2016, she started to make more politically oriented songs. Also to think that in 2016 she made electro-pop version of Say Yes To Heaven. Then she also was in relationship with G-Eazy in Spring 2017 which in result she started to make more songs. In an interview with a radio in early 2017, she (and later in an another interview Rick Nowels) also said that the album will be mix of everything, that will have different genres. It's either two options:
 
• she was unsure what to do with the album
• it was intentional and I believe this theory more, because you can see that the album's sound has mix from the sound of her old eras (baroque pop, dream pop, hip-hop, trap, trip hop) and the sound of her upcoming/newer sound (folk, acoustic ballads, folktronica, Americana) which are seen in NFR, COTCC and so on. The collaborations were 100% intentional because Abel and Rocky were important people in the start of her breakthrough and Nicks/Lennon are kind of her idols, so she wanted to show people where is she heading to. That's why she later dedicated to the fans because she was saying goodbye to her "old-self", her old sound. I feel like that was kind of her point the whole time.

Agree to disagree on that one, but I guess it’s because I’m all about the music when it comes to her (tours aren’t that important to me). HM was released just 15 months after UV, with a short pre-release of four singles. Never thought that the HBTB Mv was all that, but MTWBT’s and Freak’s were very nice. 

I’ve always loved old Hollywood so this album from her was a dream come true to me. 

We need Mark Ronson and Dan Heath outtakes/demos!!!!!
 
Absolutely timeless masterpiece, my all-time favorite album forever and ever!!!!!

You can hear Emile inspired space train/owl sounds in White Mustang and When The World... too! I think it was intentional!

I always thought 'TNBAR' was produced by Emile, the engineers/additional producers emulated some of his soundscapes on that song (they're on the whole track, but they're noticeable around 1:58). Hell, even in 'Yosemite', you can hear a mimic of his loon throughout the song; more noticeable around 3:16. Not saying he DID work on that song, but maybe he was meant to produce those tracks but couldn't?
 
On that Kieron Menzies/Dean Reid "SoundOnSound" interview, they said they emulated Max Martin's juno bass from his demo, to sound like his version, so maybe it's not that far fetched? Idk.
 
Benny Blanco's known for working on single tracks on albums, I heard he's quite expensive to work with lmao. I don't think they did more songs.

It's called the 4th album curse 

It's called the 4th album curse 

except lust for life is not as bad as people are making it out to be whereas love + fear is worse than people are saying it is