delreyfreak

imo there are 0 bad songs on FROOT. A very solid body of work.

he NEVER did serve... like...NEVER...
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I thought we left hating on Gold in 2016...no?? okay

He produced and ruined Karma and You with their final versions

Comparing the live debut of Disconnect and it's final iteration, I definitly think he ruined it.

Man, how...? For me, it's one of her career highlights! What dont you like about it?

I feel like Weeds is one of the most disliked songs on FROOT but it’s so good, truly underappreciated. (even tho i used to also kinda dislike it sjfj)

This whole talk about FROOT lately made me remember how good Weeds is    

honestly even if m5 is meh.....ill always love her first three albums so even tho i'll mourn stanning her........those albums were so important to me when i discovered them 

was there ever a reason she changed Girls? I love the "original" mix or whatever you call it, the one that sounds a little more aggressive, with the "cut out the face and you cut out the dream"
EDIT:
I think it's the fast car version

Love + Fear is also sincere and emotional (I guess...?)though. Yeah the lyrics are basic and simple compared to her previous lyricism but her honesty is easily showed on most of the songs. She said she wanted to express her emotions in a simple way with this album... 
But yeah you're right about TFJ, I mean people thought she was Misogynistic with Girls and she didn't give a fuck because it was her opinion

I've been a Marina fan since I was 9, so that's nearly 10 years now. I have to agree with people's critiques of L+F. It just felt so hollow and lifeless in comparison to the rest of her discog. Even though TFJ was raw and unpolished, it had a unique charm to it and a strong identitiy. Electra Heart told a strong story and the archetypes were more psychologically perceptive than anything on L+F- I remember the strong impact that album had on me. It created a sort of dark world, like Hollywood's underbelly and was a significant pop culture moment for Marina. And then Froot- although it's not everyone's favorite, I think most people can agree that the production was more complex and captivating than L+F. After hearing HH, and having been so long without any new music, I was so excited at the prospect of a new era. And then came SS and OT. I had a bit of a sinking feeling, but I told myself that perhaps fear would carry a more multifaceted, dark introspectiveness. And then I heard Life is strange, no more suckers (you mess up my towels...). I felt so let down. I felt like I had no idea who Marina even was anymore. I did have tickets to see her (mainly just got them for Allie X tbh) but got the flu, so I couldn't make it. It felt like fate as I knew in the back of my mind I would compare it to her past shows, and wouldn't fully enjoy it. Especially after having been to a Charli show a week before, the energy just wouldn't have been there.
 
Now, Marina's music will always be important to me and I don't want to criticize her evolving sonic preferences. None of her other albums sound the same, but they all sound like Marina. But L+F doesn't even sound like Marina, it sounds like someone who's searching for their identity and unsure whether they want to created something that will please others (label perhaps?) or themselves.
 
I hope her new album might be something a bit more authentic. Whatever she wants to make, if her heart is in it I'll listen. Just with L+F, I didn't hear any of the passion I had come to know of Marina.

Honestly ALL TFJ has a sort of psychological depth to it, cause it's sincere and it talks about what she was feeling at that time. We know her fears, her delights, everything. It's introspective to a certain extent. Love + Fear is detached and empty, devoid of any actual emotion. It's cold

Froot demo sounds amazing. Sounds a bit experimental and the scrapped lyrics... my heart
 
Pink Convertible seems to be amazing too, those lyrics are great. I missed this Marina 

L&F was an average album it wasn’t terrble, a 7 out of 10 but... 
We have to face the fact Marina has always craved big success, she appreciates her loyal niche fan base. But it’s clear you don’t change your name, dull down your lyrics, add generic production and work with chart topping artists without reason. I fully believe she started off with an album which had more depth but was watered down. But the good news is her mentioning ‘froot 2’ so I hope a return to form is coming.

Something like Obsessions is a great example of pop psychology, but if the deepest sentiment that you can offer an album is "life is strange" or "humans are bad", then...

honestly even tho i love L+F this much is just tea like she really shot herself in the foot with the whole "based in psychology" thing especially when the (bolded, in particular, but honestly all of them) songs just didn't have the sharp writing or interesting sonic direction to hold up the concepts

The Clean Bandit bit made me laugh
 
Honestly I feel like her career has always had weird in the sense that she occupies the space between being pop (EH, L+F) and being alternative (TFJ, Froot). I feel like every album release has caused division one way or another because of that.
 
It’s just a collection of catchy pop songs (pop by 2019’s standards) and I think that’s all it should really be taken for. Context is important. EH’s production is borderline unlistenable and embarassing if you take away the fact that it was meant to be satirical. Plus, if you polled average music fans, I feel like the preferences wouldn’t necessarily be skewed to an album like EH (which is the most comparable album to L+F in her discography). They both essentially follow the same formula. One has more personality and a better executed concept but at the end of the day, an album like EH isn’t heaps and bounds better than some songs on L+F.
Could L+F been more well-executed and thought out? Yes.
It still has faults and weak points but stans pretending like it’s not listenable when we’ve been fed equally generic stuff under the guise of it being ironic and whatnot is a kii.

God forbid somebody make something not super ultra deep so it has broad appeal

Y'all expecting L+F to have changed the pop landscape
 
I mean, wasn't the goal of L+F to incorporate elements of modern pop trends from the time it was being recorded. The fact that none of L+F ever had an ample chance at getting airplay on the radio says a lot about how much watering down actually occurs for a song to be truly considered "commercial."
I doubt her label actually expected L+F to be a hit record so a lot of the songs retained some pretty interesting sonic elements that would've otherwise been put on the chopping block.
That alone makes this album so much more interesting than what's considered commercial
Yeah, it's no masterpiece but it did a good job at what it was set out to do.

"And now I'm getting sick of waititng around
Something could have happended but it's coming around
My time is coming and I'm ready to bloom
Like a golden [?], like a fruit of the loom (?)" 
 
I wonder if the other interlude has extra lyrics too. I wish she would release it   

Marina said she wants to release new music soon asdfgjkl

If most of the album's gonna be self written I just know it's gonna be a serve. She writes best when writing alone imo. 

pink convertible sounds like a serve.......but im keeping my hopes down just in case

pink convertible giving me TFJ vibes oh wow, her vocals sound so good

also she said she wanted L+F to sound commercial so yall can shut up now