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Obviously a Democratic person in a 2016 time period.
Her whole life and lifestyle is 100% liberal Democratic in USA terms.
Transcending female in a male world.
The biggest comparison would be- The Eleanor Roosevelt of the music world. (And in 2016, Hillary is the closest thing to Eleanor Roosevelt, who could NOT become President back in the 1930s.
 
the mistake people make is thinking being patriotic is limited to the Ronald Reagan buffoons in the Republican party just because they hijacked the terms in the 1980s.
 
Loving the country has nothing to do with being  a Republican, who in today's Republican  love of their own ego (Trump and the 21 has beens that challenged for the Republican nomination all offered zero and nothing and just vomited patriotic words that actually have nothing to do with anything at all.
 
Republicans are all about hate of others, hate of religion not theirs, hate of Blacks, Mexicans, Gays,Jews (note that in 2014 the Republicans danced when Senator(Republican) Cantor was primaried out of office by a draconian tea party candidate, Cantor was the last Jewish Republican in congress).
 
The 2016 Republicans are avidly going after the KKK of the 1950s David Duke/Ron Paul racist voters and attempting to move everything back to before
LBJ thanks to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. signed the Civil Rights/Voting Rights acts and the period WHERE WOMEN THEMSELVES COULD NOT VOTE IN AMERICA
 
It was only 96 years ago now that women "were allowed to vote" in the USA.
 
Elizabeth / Lana, wanting to be "one of the boys" in a society where in the past has never been possible is indeed one of the most liberal statements one can make.
 
Ride, the song, the video, is perhaps the closest thing proving that (and not the reverse).
 
The only surprise is that 100% of America doesn't embrace the same thing.
 
And religiously, Jesus himself was a liberal, no question about it.
Helping the poorest.
 
Republicans in US hijack religion, yet almost none of them practice what they preach, nor do they act in any way like it
 
Look how Lana seems to be the one that cares for both her sister and brother, and her sense of artistic collective goes to the 1960s liberal and liberalism
of the NYC or San Francisco artistic community, the folk music scene, the poetry readings, etc.
(note- one thing different from the 60s to now is that there were liberal Republicans in the 1960s, but in elected politics in 2016, there is zero room for liberals
in the Republican party.
 
Don't let them fool you- Love of the country, love of the flag is LIBERAL
 
Donald Trump for instance spits on the concept of America. Just listen to his statement he made a few months ago,
AMON GOETH of Stephen Spielberg's Holocaust movie Schindler's List comes to mind, when Donald Trump said he could come out of his 5th avenue penthouse and literally shoot someone, and none of his hard-line supporters would stop supporting him. Think about- what a God Damn anti-America statement is that? 
 
 

Obviously a Democratic person in a 2016 time period.
Her whole life and lifestyle is 100% liberal Democratic in USA terms.
Transcending female in a male world.
The biggest comparison would be- The Eleanor Roosevelt of the music world. (And in 2016, Hillary is the closest thing to Eleanor Roosevelt, who could NOT become President back in the 1930s.
 
the mistake people make is thinking being patriotic is limited to the Ronald Reagan buffoons in the Republican party just because they hijacked the terms in the 1980s.
 
Loving the country has nothing to do with being  a Republican, who in today's Republican  love of their own ego (Trump and the 21 has beens that challenged for the Republican nomination all offered zero and nothing and just vomited patriotic words that actually have nothing to do with anything at all.
 
Republicans are all about hate of others, hate of religion not theirs, hate of Blacks, Mexicans, Gays,Jews (note that in 2014 the Republicans danced when Senator(Republican) Cantor was primaried out of office by a draconian tea party candidate, Cantor was the last Jewish Republican in congress).
 
The 2016 Republicans are avidly going after the KKK of the 1950s David Duke/Ron Paul racist voters and attempting to move everything back to before
LBJ thanks to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. signed the Civil Rights/Voting Rights acts and the period WHERE WOMEN THEMSELVES COULD NOT VOTE IN AMERICA
 
It was only 96 years ago now that women "were allowed to vote" in the USA.
 
Elizabeth / Lana, wanting to be "one of the boys" in a society where in the past has never been possible is indeed one of the most liberal statements one can make.
 
Ride, the song, the video, is perhaps the closest thing proving that (and not the reverse).
 
The only surprise is that 100% of America doesn't embrace the same thing.
 
And religiously, Jesus himself was a liberal, no question about it.
Helping the poorest.
 
Republicans in US hijack religion, yet almost none of them practice what they preach, nor do they act in any way like it
 
Look how Lana seems to be the one that cares for both her sister and brother, and her sense of artistic collective goes to the 1960s liberal and liberalism
of the NYC or San Francisco artistic community, the folk music scene, the poetry readings, etc.
(note- one thing different from the 60s to now is that there were liberal Republicans in the 1960s, but in elected politics in 2016, there is zero room for liberals
in the Republican party.
 
Don't let them fool you- Love of the country, love of the flag is LIBERAL
 
Donald Trump for instance spits on the concept of America. Just listen to his statement he made a few months ago,
AMON GOETH of Stephen Spielberg's Holocaust movie Schindler's List comes to mind, when Donald Trump said he could come out of his 5th avenue penthouse and literally shoot someone, and none of his hard-line supporters would stop supporting him. Think about- what a God Damn anti-America statement is that? 
 
 

Since the "Lana shot a music video" thread is kind of turning into a discussion of Lana's view on politics, I decided just to make a thread for it.
So, here's what there's to go off of so far..
She recently posted videos of herself on Instagram expressing her views on the importance of voting along with (oddly distributed) tweets. When asked about Trump by Elle ( ) Magazine UK she said, "There’s a lot to talk about. I mean, you know, although I believe that personality shouldn’t get in the way of people’s true politics and what they are actually standing for, I need more information from all of my potential candidates. From all of them. Democrats, Republications, I have a lot of conflicting feelings about all of them, to be politically correct. I need more time to figure out what they’re saying can pass through and is actually feasible. Not just with Trump but with Democratic potential candidates." She blocked an account on Twitter for editing a "Make America Great Again" cap on a picture of her. ​Apparently, according to her New York voter record, she was registered as a Democrat. She's an Obama supporter, having tweeted "Obama dropped the G Bomb in his address. God God God. Love you Obama. Love you God." in 2010. National Anthem & its music video  
And also, this article was posted sometime yesterday:
"Lana Del Rey Finally Gets Political"
http://www.inquisitr.com/3556723/lana-del-rey-finally-gets-political-speaks-to-young-fans-about-voting/

The lyrics to Honeymoon suggest a foreboding Roy Orbison/David Lynch menace in the future.
And totally in line with the lyrics/stories of the rest of her songs.
 
Somewhat like a later Roy Orbison "Love so beautiful"
 
Why would people think Honeymoon is suppose to mean happiness when she herself used the phrase film noir to represent what she was going for?
There never was a happy ending in any film noir classic that I can think of, was there?
 
(and her very stylized and I happen to like the artistry of the last video for Ultraviolence with the bride, is very telling too...
 
it is a journey of life
a road trip through life one where there may or may not be redemption (David Lynch always had redemption at the end of one of his films even if it was hard to see sometimes, but when one took the whole movie, there was always an OMG I get it moment, especially in Wild at heart and Mulholland Drive
(One of the greatest films of all time, as is the classic Sunset Blvd, Mulholland was like the other side of Sunset)

@Me I am Mariah-
 
Conservative Draconian Republicans of 2016 don't allow women to be what they want to be nor the freedom to do so
Republicans especially Trump and the class of 2010 want to go back to the years when a woman stayed at home, couldn't vote, didn't work
and there was no freedom
 
the UNHAPPY days not the Norman Rockwell racist picture of an America that never existed in the first place
 
Let alone, Lana loves science and Republicians of today don't believe science
 
Democratic all the way, JFK, LBJ,  Obama who have made America great
Trump, the racist anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-everything P.O.S. does not want to make America great, he uses dog whistles (code words) and wants to make America white only.

@@annedauphine  that is really cool.

Her whole family shits on trump tho idk why you all think that somehow she's republican. Republicans usually also don't go to Pride (and that was in like 2008/9 ?)

Not to mention that, last I checked, she was registered as a Democrat in her New York voter record.

Rooting for Hillary to dispose of the trash watching on PBS so don't have to hear the alt-right spin from the media.
 
Donald Trump most certainly doesn't have the temperament to be President.

I feel like this is her subtle way of saying, "Get educated bitches and make an informed decision! PS Don't vote for Trump"

Rooting for Hillary to dispose of the trash watching on PBS so don't have to hear the alt-right spin from the media.
 
Donald Trump most certainly doesn't have the temperament to be President.

Rooting for Hillary to dispose of the trash watching on PBS so don't have to hear the alt-right spin from the media.
 
Donald Trump most certainly doesn't have the temperament to be President.

It appears that everyone disliking Honeymoon seems to listen to it using cheap headphones.

I would love to hear a spoken word poetry album  and I for one would love an album of songs slow and moody ala Once upon a dream
 
I just don't get how anyone in their right mind would be bored by the widely varied sounds on Honeymoon.
 
Lana should cover Edith Piaf "Hymne d'Lamour & Non Regrette but Lanatize it.  (Hymne was a tribute from Edith to her love of her life who had just died).

There should be more information ONLY threads, which don't allow for conversation, and one can email the person whose job it is to add to that thread
 
With the OP and perhaps the first couple after that reserved only for the information
 
Song list
Leak list
tour dates
sightings
promotional appearances
and any other of that type
 
and keep these threads pinned on top so people can easily find them logged in and not logged in
 
Perhaps have a separate comment thread on any of those topics but keep the top updated
 
NOTE- for each addition to any of the lists- put the date added in so one knows it is new but in chronological order of when it happened, not when it is posted.
 
For songs- perhaps have it with song name then indented under for any variation of that song (sort of like 1 1a 1b 1c 1d)

Just wasted time reading 6 full pages before realizing this is from 2014
 
Damn spent time keep thinking Lana said she conceptualized her followup to Ultraviolence and yes, she did, it became Honeymoon

Just wasted time reading 6 full pages before realizing this is from 2014
 
Damn spent time keep thinking Lana said she conceptualized her followup to Ultraviolence and yes, she did, it became Honeymoon

Im making this thread for you guys to post some of your favorite vintage music and to explore new ones

 

 

 

The End Of The World

 



 

 

Post your Favs!!

Let me apologize in advance for tldr, but in broad strokes she's had several different kinds of impacts:
 
To Pop music: Attention to detail, as in lush orchestrations, melody, emotional expression in melody, and the patience and confidence to go slow. Details are also historical in the sense that she is the fan of older-era music and thinks that there is more to be mined there in terms of extending styles and in terms of dropping references. She's certainly not the first artist to do any of these things, of course. I think she shares with Kate Bush a kind of courage to break from the mainstream and a conviction to do the kind of stuff she likes, and as with Kate Bush, to the extent she succeeds, she encourages other artists to do the same. Also as with Kate Bush, her videography is significant. Comparing LDR's videos to others often seems like comparing The Seventh Seal to The Revenge of the Nerds pt. 3.
 
To Music criticism: BTD debunked music criticism in the sense of showing the critical community could be against something that the general public actually liked. In effect, the critical community could not predict or understand why people liked her music, and as such showed itself woefully deficient at doing their jobs. The issue of "authenticity", while people made a big deal of it, always seemed to me to be a red herring. It was the singing and the music, not an implied message or musical pedigree, that people responded to (and critics did not). I recommend looking at the Tiny Mixtapes reviews of BTD, UV, and HM to see an especially eventful evolution in a critical opinion of her. 
 
To Feminism: I think when the smoke clears it will be the case that LDR's ambivalent stance on feminism actually made her a feminism poster-girl, simply because she did all the stuff expected from males but got blamed for it far more than they did. As such she implicitly defines someone who should be given positive attention by feminists, not negative. Liz Phair made this point about LDR well before LDR's feminism-quote faux pas (I wonder if she still holds that opinion). Another way of stating the argument is this: LDR has songs where she's hung up on a guy, but you don't think Van Halen, Chris Isaak, Frank Sinatra (or countless others) have similar amounts of songs about obsessive love interests? Well if you're ragging on her but not them, then you are in some sense anti-feminist by not supporting gender-irrelevancy in freedom of choice for (legal) human behavior. I think videos like Ride complicate the issue, but they don't undermine them. There the issue is whether art has any moral or social obligation to promote feminism, or any other kind of humanism or pro-social cause, no matter what. Certainly a lot of art does this, and that's fine, but the deeper issue is whether it's a requirement for something to be art (e.g., a lot of people think Nabokov's Lolita is a great book, but the book was still banned by some on moral grounds and/or was not considered art by some).
 
Shout out to Morrissey: I might cite this guy as an "influence" on LDR, but in fact he is just a great precursor with respect to her, meaning he's similar to LDR, imo, but much much more extreme on certain dimensions of behavior. It is therefore interesting to compare his experiences with the media with LDR's. I think he's a great singer/songwriter. He's also sadcore like LDR yet more often upbeat musically. However, his sadcore lyrically is so much more extreme than LDR's, that he's one of the reasons I don't get why people refer to LDR's songs as being sad (I mean compared to him, LDR seems closer to Kimbra). He's also VERY unfiltered with respect to what he will say to the media on issues that are important to him. In particular his comments on suicide are just mind-boggling (e.g., "it's admirable" though he would not elect to do so himself--Larry King 2015 about 16:30 into the interview, and he was one of the few people, in 1995, to have ever said he admired Kurt Cobain's suicide). He is an acknowledged depressive, so the media goes easy on him. He is male too, of course, and I suspect that also helped him. He doesn't like current pop. Larry King 2015 asked him about Sam Smith and Noel Gallagher (17:30) into the interview, he basically declined from saying anything other than he didn't like anything at all; however, when Larry asked him about Sinatra, Morrisey did a shout out to Nancy Sinatra, which makes me wonder how he would have responded if Larry had asked about LDR. Probably very disdainfully, but we'll probably never know.
 
Just some minor quibbles.
 
Chris Isaak on the influencee list: I recall LDR being compared to CI many times but not the other way around. I vaguely remember a video interview where LDR said she liked him (around the same time I heard about the French referring to LDR as CI's "granddaughter"--wish I could find the cite for that). I think it makes perfect sense that LDR would like CI quite a lot, as he's kind of an evolved Elvis, and CI cites Elvis as a major influence.
 
Name Dropping as an LDR influence on others: I see LDR's name dropping as part of her assimilation of a general hip-hop/rap influence where name dropping is common (e.g. Tyler the Creator dropping Bruno Mars' name in Yonkers, in 2011). I give LDR credit for doing name-dropping especially good, though sadly she does this the best in her unreleased  (e.g., Last Girl on Earth, Axl Rose Husband). On the other hand, it may be the case that name-dropping became more popular in pop after her, idk.
 
Lana bringing retro back: I think both LDR and Adele have cited Amy Winehouse as the main influence on that. But ditto my last "on the other hand".

real estate is normally a very good investment in the USA (because if something happens to home it is 100% insured so one doesn't lose value)
and there is no money to be made in the bank and the market is no safe to invest in (especially in a nation where Republicans are part of )
 
The second one is probably so to connect the properties and perhaps either her brother or sister will be in the second
 
And the public and private schools are some of the best in the area, good for kids
 
of course it all is speculation and based on the article being accurate of course.

real estate is normally a very good investment in the USA (because if something happens to home it is 100% insured so one doesn't lose value)
and there is no money to be made in the bank and the market is no safe to invest in (especially in a nation where Republicans are part of )
 
The second one is probably so to connect the properties and perhaps either her brother or sister will be in the second
 
And the public and private schools are some of the best in the area, good for kids
 
of course it all is speculation and based on the article being accurate of course.

real estate is normally a very good investment in the USA (because if something happens to home it is 100% insured so one doesn't lose value)
and there is no money to be made in the bank and the market is no safe to invest in (especially in a nation where Republicans are part of )
 
The second one is probably so to connect the properties and perhaps either her brother or sister will be in the second
 
And the public and private schools are some of the best in the area, good for kids
 
of course it all is speculation and based on the article being accurate of course.

real estate is normally a very good investment in the USA (because if something happens to home it is 100% insured so one doesn't lose value)
and there is no money to be made in the bank and the market is no safe to invest in (especially in a nation where Republicans are part of )
 
The second one is probably so to connect the properties and perhaps either her brother or sister will be in the second
 
And the public and private schools are some of the best in the area, good for kids
 
of course it all is speculation and based on the article being accurate of course.

real estate is normally a very good investment in the USA (because if something happens to home it is 100% insured so one doesn't lose value)
and there is no money to be made in the bank and the market is no safe to invest in (especially in a nation where Republicans are part of )
 
The second one is probably so to connect the properties and perhaps either her brother or sister will be in the second
 
And the public and private schools are some of the best in the area, good for kids
 
of course it all is speculation and based on the article being accurate of course.

real estate is normally a very good investment in the USA (because if something happens to home it is 100% insured so one doesn't lose value)
and there is no money to be made in the bank and the market is no safe to invest in (especially in a nation where Republicans are part of )
 
The second one is probably so to connect the properties and perhaps either her brother or sister will be in the second
 
And the public and private schools are some of the best in the area, good for kids
 
of course it all is speculation and based on the article being accurate of course.