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the "hit me, my darling, tonight / i don't know why but i like it" i always thought was a metaphor for rough sex, not domestic violence...i mean, britney's "hit me baby one more time" i'd like to imagine wasn't about her asking for a punch in the face! "push me down" references this kink (?) as well, with the hair pulling bit and other not-gentle things she clearly craves and enjoys. anyway, i think jimmy gnecco's mean-ness was more like a moody, inconstant, artiste thing (i will never forget he didn't even "like" her post of "yayo" on his FB! :aheh: )
also, as an ours fan for over 10 years, i don't think jimmy was a drug dealer...consumed, possibly maybe. the band had some troubles with labels and shit, but they were relatively successful. at least i hope he didn't sell
regarding the tattoo, lizzy could've first thought it was a snake and though then realized it was a dragon, she just preferred how it sounded (the fact that he's covered in blue ink reinforces it's about his tattoos, and not one of the other billion tattooed guys on the planet). "i like the draaagon on your taaaatoo" doesn't "roll off the tongue" so much
 
EDIT: i was just re-listening to "push me down" and i think it's about jimmy, too. first, he's her "rock n'roll king" (though arthur and reeve carney rocked out a bit, they don't qualify that much as kings of rock n'roll - remember J was "on another level" ). also, and this is probably far-reaching on my part, but this line - "in the dark you can do whatever you want to" - reminds me of "lolita"'s "kiss me in the d.a.r.k. dark tonight" (which some of us had previously spectulated was about JG as well - even if she isn't a lolita in the "dolores haze" sense, she felt that way - J's 12 years older than her, and she was, like, 19 at the time and was his "baby doll") - and it connects with her lyrics on "jimmy gnecco": "jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, take me to the park - buy me a hot dog, kiss me in the dark". i'm guessing theirs was more of a night-time relationship .
additional speculation (this is LANALYSIS, ain't it?): even though the highs & the lows in their relationship - i suppose - made her suffer somewhat, jimmy, who is certainly intense and creative, excited her and inspired her to be free, to let go and express herself as an artist, beyond labels like "guitar-slinging acoustic folkie babe" à la the "sirens" and WLSC era. i think this little "push me down" line is relevant: "you’re my mr. rock n’ roll king / make me wanna sing, sing for them all". remember that on "you're gonna love me", she sang "jim, imma dedicate this whole album to you / you told me to get my way and that's exactly what i'm gonna do". this might be a reason.
to finish my rant, these verses on "raise me up" tie in nicely with abandoning the image-conscious, high society pressure to be a pretty "little lady" (which she rebelled against as soon as she became a teenager, and is related perhaps to why she and her momma didn't "get along"), as well ignoring the limiting indie cred "demand" of being "original" and allowing herself, as a person and as a musician, to be as eclectic and politcally incorrect as she wanted to:

Just like you said, It's all been done before



I don't have to talk pretty for them no more.



I can talk what I want, how I wanna



I don't have to talk tastefully for you, mama



No, no


 
i may be pushing it with this last part, but, well, i feel like i can do that here

that's usually true, but lana herself has said that her music is "100% autobiographical", which of course feeds our speculation. if she didn't throw clues around (and if she weren't so fascinating and hadn't lived such a full life) we wouldn't feel so compelled to try to piece together stories and people and associate them to her lyrics! bear in mind that some theories have been somewhat confirmed, while others are in the air or maybe just fantasies.

sitar, it's a fragment of this early 2010 lizzy interview with blurt magazine:
 

 
you can find it here: http://blurt-online.com/features/view/1074/
 
now, what i can't find is LANALYSIS...where is the thread located?? i seem to have lost it

just stumbled upon this pic of lana at today's mulberry show (makes sense!):
 

 
she looks absolutely gorgeous, imo...the brunette look really suits her! sitting pretty in the front row, with nothing to envy kate moss or olivia palermo (maybe gillian anderson a little, because well...she is badass ^_^ )
 
hope we get some more pics in better quality!
 
EDIT: here are two more ♥

hey! this is the place for some relationship info (and speculation) i posted on the LANA SLEUTHING thread, so i'm copying it here:
 
(...) if the ex-boyfriend(s) knew her 5 years ago, it would've been 2007 and i speculated it could be jimmy gnecco or reeve carney, but i didn't think of arthur lynn, her guitarist in "lizzy and the phenomena"! she *allegedly* had a fling with him, but who knows?

still, i hope it's jimmy they talked to now, he's never explicitly referred to lizzy/lana, and we have no photos of them together, but when i heard his song "saints" (written for jeff buckley ♥) that he performed live in 2011 with reeve, and the intro *was* "little girls/put me in a movie" that's a confirmation of sorts to me. maybe he inspired that riff and loved it and thought, "hell, i wanna use it"? along with lizzy's posting of "yayo" on his facebook wall way back when, dedicated to he of the blue ink snake tatoo, and the songs she refers to him by name, well...it's proof enough for me that they were together
 
THERE'S MORE INFO, like the (quite telling) link to arthur's blog by evilentity and the much awaited screenshot of lizzy's post of "yayo" on jimmy gnecco's facebook back in 2009 by trailerparkdoll in the LANA SLEUTHING thread. sitar, you can copy that and all the relevant new details over here, right? all hail the nancy drews and sherlocks of the forum!

great work, @@Valentino !
i (and others) posted a long time ago that the mystery record executive could be van wilson, the 5 points records A&R guy that discovered her in september 2006 at the WLSC competition. but either way, 1999-2006 isn't necessarily the timeline, because it's been implied that she was the other woman in that situation (also, there is a possibility that the 7 years she stated could be as fictitious as the decade she didn't touch alcohol - i don't know if intentionally or because she's just chronologically challenged?). i can't really search right now, but if van isn't the long-term affair record executive, at the very least they had a fling, i think:

 
she and reeve were in a relationship, but it didn't quite work out. we had speculated that he was the locally famous boyfriend she alluded to in several early lizzy/lana songs. there was on old interview with reeve's brother that mentioned his relationship with lizzy, but i don't have it at hand. a "couple-y" pic of them together:

 
now, your breakthrough is the josh connection and his importance in lana's life!
he is obviously the guy in the old photo with lana looking very may jailery, which is proof they go way back! this current pic makes it super clear he is the same person:

 
and look at this oldie but goodie i found!

quite a domestic setting, non? could qualify as receipts

thanks, sitar, once again! ♥
now, blue hydrangea again! like in axl rose husband!
another mike song?

Taking into account that her unreleased songs are so eclectic and diverse, I thought these more eccentric, mostly acoustic tunes could be a cohesive collection, portraying a lesser-known side of Lana. The EP would be called “Forlorn on Fire” (because I think this fragment from “Dangerous Girl” describes her quite well) and the tracklist would be:
 
1- Disco
2- Get Drunk
3- You’re Gonna Love Me
4- 1949
5- Elvis
6- Axl Rose Husband
7- Money Hunny
8- Dangerous Girl (a capella demo)
9- Pin Up Galore (demo)
 
The songs that comprise this selection are episodes in the story of a young woman’s search for her own identity, where she oscillates between self-confidence and substance-induced bravado, both shrewd and innocent, longing to discover and experience life and love without the binding ties of morality, determined yet astray, travelling from desire to despair, from certainty to confusion, and – after observing the ways of the world – emerging from loss towards a newfound sense of self, luminous and dark: “not of this world”.
 
The cover would be this image ♥

Taking into account that her unreleased songs are so eclectic and diverse, I thought these more eccentric, mostly acoustic tunes could be a cohesive collection, portraying a lesser-known side of Lana. The EP would be called “Forlorn on Fire” (because I think this fragment from “Dangerous Girl” describes her quite well) and the tracklist would be:
 
1- Disco
2- Get Drunk
3- You’re Gonna Love Me
4- 1949
5- Elvis
6- Axl Rose Husband
7- Money Hunny
8- Dangerous Girl (a capella demo)
9- Pin Up Galore (demo)
 
The songs that comprise this selection are episodes in the story of a young woman’s search for her own identity, where she oscillates between self-confidence and substance-induced bravado, both shrewd and innocent, longing to discover and experience life and love without the binding ties of morality, determined yet astray, travelling from desire to despair, from certainty to confusion, and – after observing the ways of the world – emerging from loss towards a newfound sense of self, luminous and dark: “not of this world”.
 
The cover would be this image ♥

greymillenium, what a great idea!!
it's also awesome, because these selections could also serve as a mixtape of unreleased songs we can pass on to "unconverted" friends, so they can sample lana outside of more well-known songs ♥

and one more that i find too awesome not to post before i go! 
 

 
"you talkin' to me?" 

I think you have seen it because the story is quite known but I'll post it anyways

one more little thing before i (finally) go to sleep:
 
May Jailer was born Elizabeth Grant in New York City and grew up in Lake Placid, New York. When she was 14, she attended Kent School, a boarding school in Connecticut. She has Scottish ancestry, and is the daughter of domain investor Rob Grant, who supported her in her early career as a singer.
At age 18, her uncle taught her how to play guitar, beginning with basic chords: “It was G, C, A, D minor, A minor and some diminished chord as well. Some trick, some shortcut,” May recalled. “I realized I could probably write a million songs with those six chords, so I moved to New York and I took a couple of years to just write whatever I wanted. ” She began performing in clubs while living in the city.
 
i loved the last part on her guitar beginnings (those are the first chords i learned as well!!) and had never read this before!
found it searching the may jailer tag on tumblr
http://ldrakalizzygr...ant-in-new-york

i figured it could disappear, so yes, i saved it! ^_^
 

hey! this is the place for some relationship info (and speculation) i posted on the LANA SLEUTHING thread, so i'm copying it here:
 
(...) if the ex-boyfriend(s) knew her 5 years ago, it would've been 2007 and i speculated it could be jimmy gnecco or reeve carney, but i didn't think of arthur lynn, her guitarist in "lizzy and the phenomena"! she *allegedly* had a fling with him, but who knows?

still, i hope it's jimmy they talked to now, he's never explicitly referred to lizzy/lana, and we have no photos of them together, but when i heard his song "saints" (written for jeff buckley ♥) that he performed live in 2011 with reeve, and the intro *was* "little girls/put me in a movie" that's a confirmation of sorts to me. maybe he inspired that riff and loved it and thought, "hell, i wanna use it"? along with lizzy's posting of "yayo" on his facebook wall way back when, dedicated to he of the blue ink snake tatoo, and the songs she refers to him by name, well...it's proof enough for me that they were together
 
THERE'S MORE INFO, like the (quite telling) link to arthur's blog by evilentity and the much awaited screenshot of lizzy's post of "yayo" on jimmy gnecco's facebook back in 2009 by trailerparkdoll in the LANA SLEUTHING thread. sitar, you can copy that and all the relevant new details over here, right? all hail the nancy drews and sherlocks of the forum!

completely agree! it was one of the first lana songs i really loved, after VG. this morning i was listening to both the studio version and the live one and thought "they are both PERFECT" and then i get here and find this thread! it doesn't sound like any other song in her catalog. everything about it - music, voice, lyrics, tone, title - is unique and fits together amazingly. she's so open and vulnerable, so honest and exposed, disarmingly doubtful yet confident in her wiles...it's that marylin monroe combination of being sweet yet sexy, kind of letting her guard down yet unapologetic about declaring what she wants. love it so much
you know, i don't really yearn for a lana del rey version, because any alteration would subtract from its charm...there is just nothing here that could be improved!

deathray, thanks for posting the lyrics! i hadn't really paid attention to them, and now i see they're great.
 
 
you may be right...what she says and the timeline could fit! my only doubt is, did they meet when they were teenagers? it might be irrelevant, though, cuz she does sometimes add verses that sound good, so we should remember that her songs are not 100% biographical...

I don't really know where to post this, so it's here, but mods if you can find the right place, help a twink out? This article just came out, before the new Black Keys album releases tomorrow and Dan talks about working on UV and being open to working with Lana again in the future. 
 
Here's what was said and I'll link the article here as well:
 

This is Cobra

Yes, only with a slice of spaghetti-cake, dipped to maple syrup lemonade, glimmering by the swimming pool too.

That's true, I mean if she came on to the music scene as Lizzy Grant now she'd probably be a lot more successful. You're totally right, the music industry is more about timing and luck than talent a lot of the time.

i was just thinking this yesterday, reading that german zeit online interview! we should have an interviews section :yes:
regarding the rehab comment, i'm pretty sure she said she met that ex-boyfriend in a self-help group, which everyone thought was a euphemism for AA, and which somehow got misconstrued as rehab

love u too, PrettyBaby! i SO agree with everything you said!!!! i am a total egalitarian as well! i hold doors for guys, too, for example...like, why can't everyone be kind to each other, in the littlest details and in the more important issues? how is gender still so defining in the twentyfirst century? how has technology evolved so, and socially we are retograding, in some ways? but this is off topic, so i'll stop here.
you know, i remember -because i am existentially nostalgic- that my last post on LDRFM i actually defended her lyrics, because i DO think that we human beings are multidimensional, complex, sometimes contradictory, possessing both yin and yang, anima and animus, and i think lana expresses that dual nature: while being deep and aware, she expresses that at times consciously but others unconsciously, or in spite of ourselves, we are imbued by cultural values that are not always the highest, and maybe we find ourselves acting according to them, although in our heart we know they (appearance, the material things, the aspirational consumerism, etc. )are not essential. i think my two morning espressos have made me ramble on a bit and i don't know if this makes sense to anyone, but i think that lana's lyrics manifest her philosophical nature and her keen observation of the world around her in its most elevated, such as love and spirituality and, at the same time, the possibility of also wanting, being swept away by and enjoying the more mundane pleasures (the good and the dangerous)...that voracity of wanting to fully experience LIFE, which i think she made clear(er) in the GQ interview. regardng the photos that accompany the article, i don't know, maybe - in her retro-glamourous incarnation of "lana del rey" and admiration of icons like marilyn monroe - maybe she thought to also experience the nude posing and "sexy" shots - like to do it once, to have that experience, too? or maybe it's an ego thing, the satisfaction (?) of being the object of male desire taking over? was it like fiona apple, in the early stages of her career, thinking, with the "spin" photoshoot and the "criminal" video, i'll be in control of the "exploiting"myself? (though the boob grab is hard to justify)...who knows? was it responsible, or the right move? what's certain is that lana is a mysterious and, with all her flaws as well as her more endearing traits of sweetness and sincerity, an endlessly fascinating girl

So uhm I was having technical difficulties and then I fell asleep while it was uploading but here's my recording of the live-
 
Still can't believe she went live for almost 2 hours and how much she revealed, I had to cancel my plans last minute to watch it but I'm so glad that I did. I really love how open she was with us.