Russia’s invasion into Ukraine

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1 hour ago, longtimeman said:

Just like Trump, his ideology is what happens when fascism gets fully absorbed into the personal attainment of wealth. Unlike Trump, he's not a moron, which makes him much more dangerous.

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Would Putin be doing this if Euromaidan hadn't happened? Or is Euromaidan just an excuse? @Rorman Nockwell @the ocean

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9 hours ago, Rorman Nockwell said:

This is a pretty good article about the situation in Donbass. It explans where the "nazi" accusations come from, why the people in the region are pro-Russian, etc 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/inside-the-separatist-republic-that-triggered-the-war-in-ukraine/100871262

The most important takeaway imo is that these so-called "nazis" make up a miniscule portion of Ukraine's forces and have basically no public support, so using that as a reason to invade is some serious bullshit (which most of us already knew)

 

it seems that I was wrong. I had thought the neo-Nazis were bigger than they were. I still think the parts of Ukraine that wanna be on their own should get to make that decision, but it's good that Nazis aren't wandering all over.

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6 hours ago, baddisease said:

 

the idea of a nuclear power undergoing civil war scares the fuck out of me. i don't want any side getting the idea it's okay to use them on the other.

 

i think that would classify as a suicide attempt not a civil war lmao...how would you use a nuke on one half of your population?

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Just now, Mer said:

 

i think that would classify as a suicide attempt not a civil war lmao...how would you use a nuke on one half of your population?

 

tactical nukes or dirty bombs could be used. but idk the exact range of those, however.

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1 hour ago, baddisease said:

 

tactical nukes or dirty bombs could be used. but idk the exact range of those, however.

i think its safe to say that even the military doesnt know, but also safe to assume its at catastrophic proportions.

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oh my so many (an hour ago)

In Zaporizhzhia, traffic through the Dnipro HPP dam is completely blocked

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In Zaporozhye, traffic through the Dnieper HPP dam is completely blocked
https://ukrinform.ua/rubric-regions/3418669-u-zaporizzi-povnistu-perekritij-ruh-cerez-greblu-dniproges.html

 

 

According to the FT, Turkey blocked the passage of the Russian Navy Northern Fleet's Admiral Kasatonov Project 22350 frigate equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles to the Black Sea

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This morning in Kharkiv, a city Russia is massively shelling

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Zhytomyr(07:38). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

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❗️ Air alarm in Zhytomyr

 

 

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Kharkiv(08:00). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

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❗️ Air alarm in Kharkiv

 

 

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17 mins ago

Consequences of Russian shelling of Izyum

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❗❗❗ Raisins, the consequences of the Russian shelling!

 

 

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Rivne, Lutsk(08:28). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

https://t.me/hromadske_ua/17031

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❗️Air alarm in Rivne and Lutsk

 

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Ternopil’s’ka Oblast’, Khmel’nyts’ka Oblast’, (08:33). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!

https://t.me/espresotb/16787

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❗️Air alarm in Ternopil and Khmelnytsky regions!

 

[longtimeman 8,918]

In a world where it's popular to call somebody 'Hitler' because they steal your parking spot, or they're your teacher and they don't give you an extra day on a paper, this is some reading to explain why those of us who are obsessed with history are comparing Putin to him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Czechoslovakia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

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20 minutes ago, longtimeman said:

In a world where it's popular to call somebody 'Hitler' because they steal your parking spot, or they're your teacher and they don't give you an extra day on a paper, this is some reading to explain why those of us who are obsessed with history are comparing Putin to him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Czechoslovakia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

lmfao only in America  the words Nazi, Hitler and Holocaust are used way too light-heartedly. I read about a city in the USA having no electricity for a few days and the mayor said it felt like a holocaust. Wtf. I'm 100% sure it did not. Or Ohio Rep. Warren Davidson calling vaccination proof a holocaust. I mean

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1 minute ago, BlueINK said:

lmfao only in America  the words Nazi, Hitler and Holocaust are used way too light-heartedly. I read about a city in the USA having no electricity for a few days and the mayor said it felt like a holocaust. Wtf. I'm 100% sure it did not.

a lot of Americans take things to the extreme when expressing inconveniences.

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40 minutes ago

Some Russian columns stuck in the mud and were abandoned

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Abandoned in the mud equipment of the Russian army

 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago

Shelling targeted oil depot in Chernihiv

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⚡️In Chernihiv, the shell hit an oil depot during the shelling - as a result of which diesel fuel tanks caught fire. Information on victims and injured is being clarified

https://t.me/hromadske_ua/17040 (video)

 

20 minutes ago

Seems the Eastern MD units NW of Kyiv continue to reorganize, and sorting out the traffic jam, while launching some probing attacks. From the Ukrainian MOD this morning: "field logistics camps in the Borodyanka, Katyuzhanka and Gavronshchyna districts was noted"

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On 3/1/2022 at 9:03 PM, Rorman Nockwell said:

It comes down to the fact that Putin wants to resurrect the Soviet Union and Ukraine does not - in fact, no one else seems interested in doing that except Belarus. As it stands, Belarus is basically an extension of Russia.

As you say, Ukraine is entitled to join NATO, the EU, or to do whatever else it pleases - it's a sovereign nation. Putin, who still has the Soviet leader mindset, seeks to control them because without Ukraine, he can never rebuild the bloc. 

So imo it's less about having NATO forces and weapons in Ukraine, and more about his aspirations. As you say, foreign forces and weapons have been in Ukraine for a long time and there have never been any incursions into Russian territory, so the idea that this is about Russia's "security" is nonsense. He also already has other NATO countries on his border -  Lithuania and Latvia, for example - and I don't see him invading them for "security" (although if he takes Ukraine, he might). No other country is going to invade Russia because that would be unhinged - it has vast, difficult terrain and is nuclear-capable - so that's not on the cards and if Russia is isolated it's because Putin has actively steered his country in that direction. 

He wants to install a puppet in Ukraine so that, like Belarus, he can say "jump" and they'll ask "how high?"

The idea that Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union is nonsense; this is western mainstream ubiquitous propaganda.

 

While Soviet socialism obviously did not ultimately work, there was however a commitment to certain ideals of fraternity and equality; ideals that Putin has absolutely no time for! Admittedly, I’m sure he wants to expand Russia territorially, and rebuild an Imperial Russia to a size akin with the former Soviet Union, but does he want a return to Soviet ideology, I don’t think so. These are two different concepts. Re-establishing the Union would require communism- Putin is not a communist, he’s a capitalist, one which financially benefited from the fall of The Union! 

 

The Russian government is an oligarchic state, with power finely balancing between the state and Russian oligarchs. Should there be any attempts to return to communism, then this would certainly disrupt the internal power status quo. Re-establishing the Union. That is a nonstarter! 

 

Agreed on Belarus, Russia is after all, their main political and economic partner.

 

Putin has a massive western border to protect- Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia and Estonia. Latvia and Estonia both have small populations which enjoy reasonably good relations with Russia and while both countries border the Baltic Sea and have the strategic advantage this provides; both countries have an approx. 25% Russian population. Perhaps behind the scenes both are heavily influenced by Russia even though they are in the EU and NATO etc. Belarus are aligned with Russia, which leaves Ukraine. Ukraine’s border with Russia is equal in length to the other three countries put together, so we can immediately see how strategically important this country is; not only to Russia but also to Western powers. Ukraine as a fully fledged NATO state is completely unsustainable for Putin. 

 

Let us not forget that all Russia wanted was a signed treaty with NATO stipulating that WMD would never be stationed in Ukraine. Was this a big ask if the West has no ulterior motives? All this bloodshed and the shattering of innocent lives could have been avoided if NATO had agreed to a proposal which would’ve guaranteed peace; even if an unappetising prospect! The US Congress was actually debating sanctions as Russia sought diplomatic dialogue. 

 

We need to ask ourselves why they rejected Putin’s treaty and what is their ultimate objective with Ukraine?

 

I totally abhor war and conflicts (all they do is drive wedges between nations which should be cooperating for the good of mankind, and keep the military industrial complex making obscene amounts of money from civilian suffering), but I can see why Putin has invaded; from his perspective, for the long term safety of Russia.

 

Also the level of hypocrisy from the West is astounding! While Ukraine has my upmost sympathy and I welcome an immediate resolution to the invasion, and by no means begrudge them all the assistance they can get… It’s frustrating, the level of support they are receiving in comparison to Palestine. Israel has been invading Palestine for over 50 years- where is the international condemnation against Israel! Why aren’t Israeli sports persons being banned from events! Why aren’t Israeli goods being boycotted! Why isn’t the mainstream media highlighting atrocities in Palestine!

 

One thing is for sure: Putin is done! So many ordinary Russians are outraged with the invasion,  I can’t see him getting re-elected. Especially with his financial backers feeling the pinch of Western sanctions. 

 

Sending peace and love to our brothers and sisters in Ukraine, Russia, and Palestine!

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2 hours ago, Smoqueed said:

The idea that Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union is nonsense; this is western mainstream ubiquitous propaganda.

 

While Soviet socialism obviously did not ultimately work, there was however a commitment to certain ideals of fraternity and equality; ideals that Putin has absolutely no time for! Admittedly, I’m sure he wants to expand Russia territorially, and rebuild an Imperial Russia to a size akin with the former Soviet Union, but does he want a return to Soviet ideology, I don’t think so. These are two different concepts. Re-establishing the Union would require communism- Putin is not a communist, he’s a capitalist, one which financially benefited from the fall of The Union! 

 

The Russian government is an oligarchic state, with power finely balancing between the state and Russian oligarchs. Should there be any attempts to return to communism, then this would certainly disrupt the internal power status quo. Re-establishing the Union. That is a nonstarter! 

 

Agreed on Belarus, Russia is after all, their main political and economic partner.

 

Putin has a massive western border to protect- Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia and Estonia. Latvia and Estonia both have small populations which enjoy reasonably good relations with Russia and while both countries border the Baltic Sea and have the strategic advantage this provides; both countries have an approx. 25% Russian population. Perhaps behind the scenes both are heavily influenced by Russia even though they are in the EU and NATO etc. Belarus are aligned with Russia, which leaves Ukraine. Ukraine’s border with Russia is equal in length to the other three countries put together, so we can immediately see how strategically important this country is; not only to Russia but also to Western powers. Ukraine as a fully fledged NATO state is completely unsustainable for Putin. 

 

Let us not forget that all Russia wanted was a signed treaty with NATO stipulating that WMD would never be stationed in Ukraine. Was this a big ask if the West has no ulterior motives? All this bloodshed and the shattering of innocent lives could have been avoided if NATO had agreed to a proposal which would’ve guaranteed peace; even if an unappetising prospect! The US Congress was actually debating sanctions as Russia sought diplomatic dialogue. 

 

We need to ask ourselves why they rejected Putin’s treaty and what is their ultimate objective with Ukraine?

 

I totally abhor war and conflicts (all they do is drive wedges between nations which should be cooperating for the good of mankind, and keep the military industrial complex making obscene amounts of money from civilian suffering), but I can see why Putin has invaded; from his perspective, for the long term safety of Russia.

 

Also the level of hypocrisy from the West is astounding! While Ukraine has my upmost sympathy and I welcome an immediate resolution to the invasion, and by no means begrudge them all the assistance they can get… It’s frustrating, the level of support they are receiving in comparison to Palestine. Israel has been invading Palestine for over 50 years- where is the international condemnation against Israel! Why aren’t Israeli sports persons being banned from events! Why aren’t Israeli goods being boycotted! Why isn’t the mainstream media highlighting atrocities in Palestine!

 

One thing is for sure: Putin is done! So many ordinary Russians are outraged with the invasion,  I can’t see him getting re-elected. Especially with his financial backers feeling the pinch of Western sanctions. 

 

Sending peace and love to our brothers and sisters in Ukraine, Russia, and Palestine!

I since clarified what I meant by that, and that is, that he wants an authoritarian capitalist bloc. A 21st century USSR, if you will. I agree completely that communism doesn't benefit him whatsoever. 

You're right in saying that Ukraine is strategically important but again, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, Putin doesn't get to make decisions or set conditions for them, and his paranoia over security doesn't justify an invasion. 

I can't work out if you're trying to justify his actions or sympathise with him - you make it sound like you think this is NATO's fault for not doing what he says(?) Why should they? Fuck that. If Ukraine wants to align with the EU and/or NATO because they feel it's in their interests then that's their decision and Putin can fuck off. 

I mean, if NATO gets to the point where they're like, "ohhhh he's unhinged so we better do what he says" then everyone might as well just send a limo to pick him up from the Kremlin and roll out the red carpet for him in Kyiv. 

Re: Palestine it's what we were saying a few pages back: they're not middle class white people and conflict in the Middle East is considered par for the course (this is not my personal belief; I'm just saying this is why the West cares more about this than that). 

(I can see some people tagged me, I will reply tomorrow)

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Okay so it seems I fell for Putin's propaganda in the way that I thought the Russian troops were this professional, well-organized, intimidating beast of an army who know exactly what they're doing and all. Well - they're not.
It's becoming clearer everyday how unorganized this entire thing is. The troops are running out of fuel and food, have no idea what direction they're going etc. They have no tactical skill. Zelensky called them "confused, scared children". I think he's right actually. That's not because Putin is stupid but because he didn't expect Ukraine to fight back like that and over 140 countries getting involved in it. 

 

Now I don't mean to make fun of the situation. But I find it comforting to know that absolutely nothing happens as planned for Putin.
I've seen people comparing Putin to Trump and write "The problem is that Putin is very smart and not as stupid as Trump." and I agreed until I just realized, Trump is a complete narcissist. He thinks he is the shit. He would've started a war with the NATO if he was the Russian president. It's actually good Putin is not that stupid - he knows fighting the NATO would be suicide: Attack one NATO member and see Russia turn to dust. He knows it, so he won't do it, I'm sure of that. Especially since he knows about his lack of organizational skills now...

 

Here's an interesting thread about that:

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16 minutes ago, BlueINK said:

Okay so it seems I fell for Putin's propaganda in the way that I thought the Russian troops were this professional, well-organized, intimidating beast of an army who know exactly what they're doing and all. Well - they're not.
It's becoming clearer everyday how unorganized this entire thing is. The troops are running out of fuel and food, have no idea what direction they're going etc. They have no tactical skill. Zelensky called them "confused, scared children". I think he's right actually. That's not because Putin is stupid but because he didn't expect Ukraine to fight back like that and over 140 countries getting involved in it. 

 

Now I don't mean to make fun of the situation. But I find it comforting to know that absolutely nothing happens as planned for Putin.
I've seen people comparing Putin to Trump and write "The problem is that Putin is very smart and not as stupid as Trump." and I agreed until I just realized, Trump is a complete narcissist. He thinks he is the shit. He would've started a war with the NATO if he was the Russian president. It's actually good Putin is not that stupid - he knows fighting the NATO would be suicide: Attack one NATO member and see Russia turn to dust. He knows it, so he won't do it, I'm sure of that. Especially since he knows about his lack of organizational skills now...

 

Here's an interesting thread about that:

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is russia... losing? 

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5 hours ago, the ocean said:

 

is russia... losing? 

I wouldn't go that far but I mean... they're not really as successful as they thought.

 

"On February 26, 2022, Ukraine filed an application at the UN International Court of Justice to initiate proceedings against the Russian Federation under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide."

 

Even better, the International Criminal Court in The Hague is filing suit against Putin himself accusing him of war crimes

 

How successful does that sound? 

Eventually they can only lose. I mean, the entire world is against that man - except countries like NORTH KOREA, SYRIA and ERITREA. What a fucking joke. And very telling.

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