Random Lana Discussion Thread

[maxthehitman 1,730]

Thanks for posting it Clampigirl. It brings some good conversation to the table.

 

Looking at all the album covers I have seen in my life and knowing bands/singers history,  I would have to

say that many of the artists usually leave someone else to design their album covers. They hardly choose what they

want to see on their own music album covers.

The band presents an idea to the art department, but those guys take over and present "something else" which THEY think would be "commercially accepted"

by the general public. Often saying, "This is what the new generation likes/wants to see". SInce the recording company has ALL the money and

the last saying, they go ahead with it. Often leaving the artist with no final saying.

 

Same thing with the Fashion industry, they steal little bits and pieces from all over the place to create a "new look".

Its like music artists stealing (or "burrowing") a little drum loop or some other sound melody from another artist to put into their music.

EVERYONE has been doing it for ages!

It´s no secret.

Did you know there is a company who each year pic out a "COLOR tone" and tell EVERYONE and all the companies and fashion industry that

this will be... THIS YEAR´S COLOR TONE - and everyone just agrees and does it. LMAO   That is very bizarre , but that is true.
Same thing happens with Font types. Someone ( I dont know their names) chooses a font style/type and says... this will be the font most

likely to be in "fashion" this year. So most products have that same design on them.

This is a crazy planet.

 

I think it was the poet Oscar Wilde who once said, " imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - that mediocrity can pay to greatness" LOL

It´s true. It is true.

Everyone copies a great idea... if it will sell MORE to the public.

Here are a few  examples ... Henry Ford steals the idea of manufacturing more (cars) in less time by copying the Heinz Ketchup company and how they work.

It was not the Ford company who invented the moving assembly lines, he just perfected it.

Who do you think invented the Breakfast cereal?

Post cereals copies the secret recipe from Kellogs for a "better tasting breakfast cereal" - before Kellogs releases its own brand. LOL

But it was actually Quaker Oats who invented the idea for a breakfast cereal. Who cares! They all taste good to me.

 

Plagiarism and copy-cats are everywhere, and there is no way to stop it.  Never. Ever. 

So next time you buy something, look at the lettering or the color of the item , and wonder where it had its idea come from.

I often do that when I go shopping myself.  Many times.  I am a very observing type of person and as an artist I too

am guilty of sometimes taking an idea from somewhere else and use it. That goes for many other people who

also take my ideas and use them for their own benefit. 

This is a crazy planet we live in.

But at least it makes for a more adventurous life to live in. Otherwise it would be so boring.

 

speaking of copy-cats.... here is what I just saw in the news today...  

A British grocery chain poked fun at Beyonce's new clothing line, which looks a lot like its uniforms ! LMAO

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/18/entertainment/beyonce-ivy-park-sainsburys-trnd/index.html

[Elina 74]

Who's baby is Lana carrying on her way out of a store?.. saw the pic on Twitter few days back

[ArtDecoDelRey 15,284]

Who's baby is Lana carrying on her way out of a store?.. saw the pic on Twitter few days back

those photos are from 2015 i think

[Terrence Loves Me 73,003]

born to die and paradise are two separate eras and if you think otherwise.....

agreed, but musically i would still class them as the same era, because they use a lot of the same production samples and its from the same year, also the fact that they had a born to die paradise edition says a lot

[Beautiful Loser 50,594]

Looking at all the album covers I have seen in my life and knowing bands/singers history,  I would have to

say that many of the artists usually leave someone else to design their album covers. They hardly choose what they

want to see on their own music album covers.

The band presents an idea to the art department, but those guys take over and present "something else" which THEY think would be "commercially accepted"

by the general public. Often saying, "This is what the new generation likes/wants to see". SInce the recording company has ALL the money and

the last saying, they go ahead with it. Often leaving the artist with no final saying.

I know that.

 

Same thing with the Fashion industry, they steal little bits and pieces from all over the place to create a "new look".

Its like music artists stealing (or "burrowing") a little drum loop or some other sound melody from another artist to put into their music.

EVERYONE has been doing it for ages!

It´s no secret.

I know that, too. But I have also seen fashion brands literally stealing art by smaller, often independent artists and sellers. And that's not cool. What I meant is that I think it's sad that they can rip off an idea so obviously and not even trying to change something to make it their own and not a complete copy. Stealing someone's idea is different from being inspired by it. Is the font identical to Lana's font for LFL? No. But you have to admit it's a funny concidence that the font is very similar, has the same/similar colors (red with white background) and they chose to print "Los Angeles" on the fabric, a city Lana very often sings about. Those three things combined make me, a fan, think of Lana Del Rey and her LFL album. I probably wouldn't have reacted if the colors were different or the font was tweaked even more to make it less similar to Lana's.

Also, just to clarify, I refer the LFL font as "Lana's" simply because I don't know who's decision it was to use it for the album.

 

Everyone copies a great idea... if it will sell MORE to the public.

And the question is if it's always okay to do so. I'd say no, and I don't say to to "protect" Lana and her brand or whatever, because I honestly think she could care less, but I once again mean that it's not ok to take someone else's art and gain money or fame from it. Only the original creator should get that.

 

Plagiarism and copy-cats are everywhere, and there is no way to stop it.  Never. Ever. 

So next time you buy something, look at the lettering or the color of the item , and wonder where it had its idea come from.

I often do that when I go shopping myself.  Many times.  I am a very observing type of person and as an artist I too

am guilty of sometimes taking an idea from somewhere else and use it. That goes for many other people who

also take my ideas and use them for their own benefit.

Plagiarism will happen, yes, but you can also try to stop it by pointing out when it's wrong. Will it stop? No, because there's always someone who think they'll get away with it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything and just stand and watch when it happens.

When you say that you're guilty of taking ideas and using them, I hope you mean that these ideas inspire you to create something of your own and not taking them as they are, a finished product? Once again, it's a different thing to see, say, an illustration of a fairy and feel inspired to create your own fairy than to trace the lines of the already existing image and call it your own.

I don't well enough about fonts to know how it works when it comes to using them, so I will refrain from making a comment about that. This might also be my last comment on the pictures I shared in December.

[Elina 74]

those photos are from 2015 i think

oh ok thanks. thought it was recent

[maxthehitman 1,730]

 

Plagiarism will happen, yes, but you can also try to stop it by pointing out when it's wrong. Will it stop? No, because there's always someone who think they'll get away with it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything and just stand and watch when it happens.

When you say that you're guilty of taking ideas and using them, I hope you mean that these ideas inspire you to create something of your own and not taking them as they are, a finished product? Once again, it's a different thing to see, say, an illustration of a fairy and feel inspired to create your own fairy than to trace the lines of the already existing image and call it your own.

 

That is correct. 

I sometimes look at an image or artwork and it will give me ideas to create something similar, but never copying the original artwork.

Sometimes I create an image which I thought would be an original idea and then later find out someone else had a similar idea of it too.

 

In this particular image I wanted to create (see image below) I wanted to use a Lana Del Rey side-profile photo with part of her upper body

and use it as a "Sleeping Princess beauty" for a What-If EP single record sleeve. The idea was to also include a Maleficent witch in the background.

But first I checked the web to see if someone had already come up with the same idea. And someone did also create something similar using

the same Lana photo. But the overall design they used is very diferent.

Since my idea was a little diferent in design, I think there is no harm doing it. So I went and did it. I would not call this plagiarism, but rather

call it a similar conversion of thoughts by 2 artists which never met before but had almost the same idea.

Although, if I was asked about it, I will always credit the original image posted as the idea behind my creation, because it was shown

before my image was created. 

 

 

 

OK, Guys and gals, I have another idea which I would like to use, but I am not sure what YOU would think about, or if someone has

already done it before. So I want to hear your opinion on this matter.

I was never happy with the record cover for the album "Ultraviolence".

What does the original photo mean? .... And why the bold lettering saying "Ultraviolence" ?

I personally see nothing about violence in that photograph or something more of an ULTRA Violence thought crossing my mind.

I always pictured this album cover showing a beautiful model (Lana Del Rey in this case) but showing some

type of physical violence done to her.

That would make it more logical in my mind as to the titled album , as being "ULTRA VIOLENCE".

 

A person buying the record, would look at the photo of a beautiful woman and see her with one black eye (and probably a bandage on her forehead)

and the viewer would think, "damn, that is violent. What happened to her? WHo did THAT to the poor girl".

It would strike up a conversation between fans and Lana Del Rey critics.

 

It would make people talk more about domestic violence done to women at home and why it is so wrong. Or violence done to women in

general and that is so very very wrong.

 

The image I had in mind to use is something like what I will post in

this small image ...

 

Because honestly, I was never happy with the original cover photo which was used. It simply shows a nice girl with her cool Mercedes sports car,

and that to me, has nothing to do with being "Ultraviolence".

It tells me as if she is some type of spoiled brat who drives a fancy car. What is so "Ultraviolence" about that?

 

What do you think?

What are your thoughts about this?

[Beautiful Loser 50,594]

That is correct. 

I sometimes look at an image or artwork and it will give me ideas to create something similar, but never copying the original artwork.

Sometimes I create an image which I thought would be an original idea and then later find out someone else had a similar idea of it too.

 

In this particular image I wanted to create (see image below) I wanted to use a Lana Del Rey side-profile photo with part of her upper body

and use it as a "Sleeping Princess beauty" for a What-If EP single record sleeve. The idea was to also include a Maleficent witch in the background.

But first I checked the web to see if someone had already come up with the same idea. And someone did also create something similar using

the same Lana photo. But the overall design they used is very diferent.

Since my idea was a little diferent in design, I think there is no harm doing it. So I went and did it. I would not call this plagiarism, but rather

call it a similar conversion of thoughts by 2 artists which never met before but had almost the same idea.

Although, if I was asked about it, I will always credit the original image posted as the idea behind my creation, because it was shown

before my image was created. 

 

 

Oh, okay. Yeah, good to hear that you never copy original artwork. ♥ And I agree with you, it's a different thing to have an idea and later find that someone else has created something similar - it's a large world out there, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's one or two people who has created something similar too!

Can I just say that your cover with Malecifent in the background is stunning? I think it's a great idea to use that picture of Lana and make her Sleeping Beauty, and your artwork would look soooo good if it was a movie poster. Disney should hire you!

 

As for your question about the UV cover: I've always preferred the alternative cover from Urban Outfitters. It's just her hands with gorgeous red nails on the finger tips playing with the hole in her jeans. Rippes jeans aren't perfect, they're broken and, together with the album title, it makes me think that there might be something more going on which you won't know unless you play the album. The black and white cover art is pretty too, but like you said, it's just her posing casually in front of a car and it could almost go for any album cover. I think it's the black/white color that makes it "ultraviolence" though.

I don't think I would buy an album with just a pretty face with a black eye on the cover (unless there's something in the background which helps to tell the story), but, like I mentioned, I really like the alternative cover art so much more. :3 It's subtle I guess, and not so... you know, violent, haha.

[ArtDecoDelRey 15,284]

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/lana-del-rey-commercial-flight/

 

girl 

[maxthehitman 1,730]

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/lana-del-rey-commercial-flight/

 

girl 

 

 

Right On Girl !      Now she has even more of my respect as a singer/songwriter + a real down to earth kinda person.

Just because she DOES HAVE the money to do whatever she wants and may even fly in a private jet, she flies with her Fans and

in economy class seats. To show everyone that she is also "human"  and not some snob artist flying in private jets. Good for you girl ! I like your style!

 

 

I like what this person posted on that page... 

“Taking an economy flight to help save the planet instead of using a private jet omg we love an environmentally friendly queen,”

Twitter user @lolitasdead wrote in response.

 

Thank You also to Clampigirl for her thoughts on what I posted earlier. It means alot to me.

I always like to hear what is on people´s minds and their honest opinion.

 

Cheers

MAX

[LanaRayDelMar 2,747]

not the tik-tokers running to listen to some fake mix of Queen of Disaster    

 

https://soundcloud.com/rebel_queen13/lana-del-rey-queen-of-disaster-alt-mix

[maxthehitman 1,730]

not the tik-tokers running to listen to some fake mix of Queen of Disaster    

 

https://soundcloud.com/rebel_queen13/lana-del-rey-queen-of-disaster-alt-mix

 

That is a cool re-mix. 

Thanks for the post. I also collect most of Lana´s re-mixes if I can find them.

[LanaRayDelMar 2,747]

That is a cool re-mix. 

Thanks for the post. I also collect most of Lana´s re-mixes if I can find them.

 

I keep this in my library because I like to believe its real lol

It leaked back in 2015 and was dismissed as fake.

[maxthehitman 1,730]

I keep this in my library because I like to believe its real lol

It leaked back in 2015 and was dismissed as fake.

 

 

Really? A fake?

That sounds very much like her voice. I am not a Lana Del Rey expert 

But its a nice song none-the-less.

[LanaRayDelMar 2,747]

Really? A fake?

That sounds very much like her voice. I am not a Lana Del Rey expert 

But its a nice song none-the-less.

 

I meant this has a different instrumental mix from the original leak we got in 2013. It is real and is her voice, sorry for the confusion 

[Make me your Dream Life 89,983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ossKN_SXCU

ok but does anyone actually like the demo version a bit more tho too? 

[takeitdoen 10,629]

Do we have (and if we don't can someone PLEASE make one??) a variation of Math Lady, but with Lana in the picture? 

 

[AlexV 0]

Hello everyone! Sorry, the first time on the site, I want to ask a question. I found a fragment of Lana’s song, but I don’t know its full name, and is there such a thing? The fragment is called "Goodbye...", but certainly not "Goodbye kiss" I heard a lot of her songs, but I did not hear this one, can someone help?
https://clyp.it/bqxau1tx

[yourboy 3,401]

Hello everyone! Sorry, the first time on the site, I want to ask a question. I found a fragment of Lana’s song, but I don’t know its full name, and is there such a thing? The fragment is called "Goodbye...", but certainly not "Goodbye kiss" I heard a lot of her songs, but I did not hear this one, can someone help?

https://clyp.it/bqxau1tx

This is an unleaked cover called "The Good Life" and some hoarders who have it love telling everyone that they have it lol

[maxthehitman 1,730]

Do we have (and if we don't can someone PLEASE make one??) a variation of Math Lady, but with Lana in the picture? 

 

 

 

I would be able to do something, but what exactly do you want?

You want a wallpaper or some type of "signiture" ?

 

 I find this idea (the original video-meme) a bit too weird. From what I have of Lana´s Photoshoots, she hardly has this type of

face on any photo. In the image you post, the woman has a deep-emotion expression and is looking a little baffled as

if to say - she doesn´t understand any math. LOL

I don´t know, but I think Lana is much smarter than this silly Meme.