Unpopular Lana Opinions

[Rorman Nockwell 56,587]

2 minutes ago, bluechemtrails said:

Apart from her fame, she has to struggle with the same problems that other women have to deal with (possible ban on abortion). And she has always tried to stay grounded (for example, her work at Waffle House last year). Just because she doesn't speak out politically (which I think is very smart) doesn't mean she doesn't have a political stance or that she doesn't care, she just keeps it to herself. As for her husband, I think she likes difficult relationships, maybe with the intention of "I can fix him", idk.

No, she does not have to deal with a ban on abortion the same way other American women do

For starters, she can afford healthcare which means easy access to contraceptives and/or pregnancy/maternity care

She has plenty of money to raise children

And if she DID want an abortion, she could afford to pay someone for pills or even a procedure

Alternatively she could fly to (or even MOVE to) a country where it is legal

Many American women do not have those options so it’s not the same whatsoever

I stand by my statement that it does not affect her in the same way

Furthermore, she is married to someone who supports a group of people who think women shouldn’t have a right to choose. That necessitates not caring, to a degree, about said right

It’s easy to not care when it doesn’t affect you, and doing a shift at Waffle House doesn’t mean shit

Lastly, she isn’t obligated to say or do anything, but she structured an entire era around political statements, and has done anti-Trump IG lives and interviews since. Now it’s radio silence after she marries a MAGA supporter in Louisiana, so what is your conclusion?

[Rorman Nockwell 56,587]

4 hours ago, honeymoon is alive said:

you didn’t say it but you guys are still judging her even after she made very clear her ideals. i’m sorry but i think it’s very disrespectful to say that “She only hated Trump because it was convenient from a creative perspective” when she literally ended friendships to defend her positioning and already declared that “I think you just don't negotiate when it comes to your work or your art, you just stand totally firm and take the consequences," she said. "In terms of losing fans, I don't care. Period.”

 

honestly she’s probably just tired of this damn fanbase and the internet coming for her when she tries to show her ideas so i don’t blame her on not talking about this elections 

But idk why you’re mad about me saying that?

It’s not a crime to not care

it’s definitely not unprecedented to create personas and exaggerate and/or explore beliefs in the name of art

I don’t believe that doing so makes an artist inauthentic. Art is largely about possibilities and fantasy

I didn’t say it was a bad thing. I just called it as I see it

You are creating negative connotations that I did not express

If anything, I’m arguing against people saying she’s Republican. I’m saying there’s no basis for any of it; that it was only ever a thing in the name of art

[Dark Angel 201,540]

she married someone who openly, passionately supports trump lol, so don't be shocked when people start to speculate that she might've changed her mind on politics

[taco truck 32,922]

13 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

she married someone who openly, passionately supports trump lol, so don't be shocked when people start to speculate that she might've changed her mind on politics

right? like i don't personally think she did but people need to stop acting like it's impossible that her politics have changed since 2020 (especially since she feels villainized by the left). she married a trump supporter, if she came out as one herself i would not be surprised. 

[Super Movie 51,616]

Lana's music will always hold an incredible importance to me, but I'm going to be honest, I've been struggling to listen since she married Jeremy. Knowing that he backs pure hatred and evil, and that Lana married him just disappoints me so much

[Lana Del Dufrene 10,203]

I'm honestly wondering if I should just stop listening to Lana's music. If she wants to be married to a tr*mp supporter fine whatever but I want no part in it. I'm not leaving lanaboards tho will probs just hang in the taylor thread.

[IanadeIrey 61,960]

Regardless of what her stances are, I do think this recent descent into the culture of the South isn’t without some sort of internalization of the popular beliefs there, even if it’s not an entirely conscious thing. The people you spend the most time with are bound to impact you. The person you marry says a lot about you. 

 

I personally would not develop an affinity for the American South as someone who knows the history there and isn’t white. I have never thought that Lana is someone who doesn’t mean well but her positionality affords her the luxury of not having to take too strong of a stance on anything bigger than herself, at least publicly. And that’s fine, she doesn’t have to.
 

I think the insight she shares through songs are a commentary on American social life—a particularly distinct account of white American womanhood—and that’s enough. Of course, this perspective she writes from certainly resonates with all audiences and transcends all kinds of identity markers. We wouldn’t all be here if that weren’t the case. 
 

But Lust for Life was, indeed, just one reactionary album to the status quo and captures the cultural shock of Trump’s first win. A lot has changed since 2017, and even since 2021 when Biden was inaugurated. The American people have only grown more divisive and perhaps we can take Lana’s static disposition to be representative of that. Nothing more, nothing less. 

[motel six 3,164]

all i even said was i don’t think she should comment on politics again like 2017-2020. anything she could say about the dangers of a trump presidency on women, lgbt individuals etc would feel incredibly inauthentic given her silence around this election and marriage to someone who shared those things online. didn’t realise we weren’t all on the same page about that 

[Lana Del Dufrene 10,203]

2 minutes ago, motel six said:

all i even said was i don’t think she should comment on politics again. anything she could say about the dangers of a trump presidency on women, lgbt individuals etc would feel incredibly inauthentic given her silence around this election and marriage to someone who shared those things online. didn’t realise we weren’t all on the same page about that 

I thought u clocked

[Let the Light In 18,578]

1 hour ago, Lana Del Dufrene said:

I'm honestly wondering if I should just stop listening to Lana's music.

I honestly cannot bring myself to enjoy her music nowadays. I’m not doing as a protest, I just find myself skipping her songs. Something is lost.

[Lana Del Dufrene 10,203]

2 minutes ago, Let the Light In said:

I honestly cannot bring myself to enjoy her music nowadays. I’m not doing as a protest, I just find myself skipping her songs. Something is lost.

Fr

[rightofjupiter 16,513]

2 hours ago, IanadeIrey said:

I personally would not develop an affinity for the American South

 

gently and w love: the south is not a monolith, a great many people here aren't white, and the rest of the country is just as racist as non-southerners believe the south to be– the racism just functions/appears differently.

 

i understand what you're saying, or trying to say, but blanket statements about what the south is or isn't from people who've never lived here and act like it's the armpit of america isn't painting an accurate portrait of the complexity of this part of the country.

 

sincerely, a person who's been living in GA for 10+ years (and also held a lot of misconceptions about what the south is before living here)

[Rorman Nockwell 56,587]

I totally get where people are coming from when they say they don't know if they want to listen to her music anymore. It is really difficult to separate the person from the artist; the two are intrinsic to a degree, and I can imagine it's all the more difficult as an American (which I am not). For me, it was easier, because If I'm being honest, I am much more interested in Lana pre 2020 than post 2020 anyway. Lana hasn't really interested me for a few years now, compared to the way she used to (and that's fine - people change and evolve, both she and I)

I really didn't like much about COCC or BB, and while I think DYKTUOB is a step above the previous two, it still doesn't resonate with me like her earlier work

I'm definitely not pleased that she's married someone who is apparently anti-trans and MAGA, but I've become accustomed to not expecting much from current Lana, musically or otherwise. So when she married him I just thought "this is disappointing" and then went and streamed Honeymoon or some shit

I think Lana's vision of America is very romanticised. That's not to say that she doesn't recognise, and write about, some of its faults but she is seemingly painfully oblivious to others. Everyone has a line they draw in regard to what they overlook when it comes to the artists they follow. So if her marrying Jeremy and/or her silence on political issues is your line, then that's your line, and you shouldn't be made to feel like you're being silly or anything.

I would hope that everyone could find a way to not let grotty Swamp Man ruin music that they otherwise love, but if it's a deal breaker for someone, then it is, and no one else gets to tell that person that they're not allowed to feel that way.

[IanadeIrey 61,960]

55 minutes ago, rightofjupiter said:

 

gently and w love: the south is not a monolith, a great many people here aren't white, and the rest of the country is just as racist as non-southerners believe the south to be– the racism just functions/appears differently.

 

i understand what you're saying, or trying to say, but blanket statements about what the south is or isn't from people who've never lived here and act like it's the armpit of america isn't painting an accurate portrait of the complexity of this part of the country.

 

sincerely, a person who's been living in GA for 10+ years (and also held a lot of misconceptions about what the south is before living here)

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply and perspective as someone who lives there. I see what you mean and I apologize, I definitely spoke reductively and I’m glad you got what I was trying to say. Yes, emphasis on racism appearing and functioning differently across regions. That was what I was trying to convey, how in the case of contemporary pop culture I often think of southern aesthetics being co-opted without a sensitivity towards the region’s history.

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39 minutes ago, Rorman Nockwell said:

I totally get where people are coming from when they say they don't know if they want to listen to her music anymore. It is really difficult to separate the person from the artist; the two are intrinsic to a degree, and I can imagine it's all the more difficult as an American (which I am not). For me, it was easier, because If I'm being honest, I am much more interested in Lana pre 2020 than post 2020 anyway. Lana hasn't really interested me for a few years now, compared to the way she used to (and that's fine - people change and evolve, both she and I)

I really didn't like much about COCC or BB, and while I think DYKTUOB is a step above the previous two, it still doesn't resonate with me like her earlier work

I'm definitely not pleased that she's married someone who is apparently anti-trans and MAGA, but I've become accustomed to not expecting much from current Lana, musically or otherwise. So when she married him I just thought "this is disappointing" and then went and streamed Honeymoon or some shit

I think Lana's vision of America is very romanticised. That's not to say that she doesn't recognise, and write about, some of its faults but she is seemingly painfully oblivious to others. Everyone has a line they draw in regard to what they overlook when it comes to the artists they follow. So if her marrying Jeremy and/or her silence on political issues is your line, then that's your line, and you shouldn't be made to feel like you're being silly or anything.

I would hope that everyone could find a way to not let grotty Swamp Man ruin music that they otherwise love, but if it's a deal breaker for someone, then it is, and no one else gets to tell that person that they're not allowed to feel that way.

Feel this. I'm definitely a fan of Lana and her early career work and how beautifully and intricately crafted all of it was. There was a very dedicated effort that isn't present in her current process and output. Naturally I'm not enthralled by her work anymore because the prior is what made me so fascinated with her art in the first place. But her marrying a MAGA supporter has truly disappointed me and I find myself gravitating away from her music now. So I guess thats where I draw the line huh lol. Her inaction and shift in tone over the last 5 years has definitely shed light to a new side of her. Its nothing like the artist that first captivated me back in 2016