Taylor Swift

[The Siren 30,524]

7 hours ago, Embach said:

Unpopular opinion: All Too Well is overrated.

 

Her best song is Clean or any other song from Folklore or Evermore.

 

Also another unpopular opinion: Evermore is her best album.

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[Embach 43,633]

Just now, The Siren said:

all complete LIES

I did say unpopular opinion though 

 

Not that I hate All Too Well, I love it and I think it's phenomenal but it's not THE best song and when I said overrated I meant that there are other songs that deserve "the best song" title 

[bluechemtrails 27,008]

Red (TV) > Folklore >> Evermore

[Embach 43,633]

Omg I didn't know that Evermore was that less favored  I adore Evermore and imo deserves more love. It deserved the same amount as Folklore imo. They're equal to my eyes but I think the lyricism is a bit stronger in Evermore, I mean look at songs like Tolerate It, Champagne Problems, Right Where You Left Me, Cowboy Like Me, Evermore song itself

[Olympia 4,428]

10 hours ago, Embach said:

Unpopular opinion: All Too Well is overrated.

 

Her best song is Clean or any other song from Folklore or Evermore.

 

Also another unpopular opinion: Evermore is her best album.

 

I have to say I LOVE Folklore and Evermore, but these are actually the only albums by her which I really like. 1989, lover and midnights I like, but I'm not crazy about them. Her earlier work I consider as noisy somehow, please don't kill me 😂🙈

[Mer 62,097]

10 minutes ago, Embach said:

Omg I didn't know that Evermore was that less favored  I adore Evermore and imo deserves more love. It deserved the same amount as Folklore imo. They're equal to my eyes but I think the lyricism is a bit stronger in Evermore, I mean look at songs like Tolerate It, Champagne Problems, Right Where You Left Me, Cowboy Like Me, Evermore song itself

 

If evermore came out first, and got the same amount of promo and marketing folklore did, it'd be the favorite. 

[wilting daisy 3,395]

10 hours ago, Embach said:

Unpopular opinion: All Too Well is overrated.

 

Her best song is Clean or any other song from Folklore or Evermore.

 

Also another unpopular opinion: Evermore is her best album.

i like all to well but i don't really care for the 10 minute version. it changes the narrative and mood of the song and messes with the flow and the emotional build up is nonexistent. i also don't believe the 10 minute version was fully formed as it is now back in 2012. we know there was a 10 minute jam session and we know she had lots of ideas that liz rose helped her edit down into a proper song and we know her diaries had some extra lyrics that would realistically be in the 10 minute version if it was fully formed back then but they're not. i feel like she knew she had to put together an extended version to make fans happy but all the lyrics she added felt like looking back at the relationship years later and seeing it clearer from a distance instead of the raw emotions of something that just ended. but imo the original all to well is perfect and i love it. idk if i would call it her best song, she has a lot of songs that could potentially be "the best song". and yeah i guess its kind of overrated now but i feel like the 10 minute version is especially overrated and fans act like it elevates the whole song when it doesnt and i feel like before taylor did red tv, the original all to well wasn't overrated yet. yeah lots of people thought it was her best but they were open to other opinions whereas now they all act like it's objectively her best song and we can't argue that.

 

i also agree with you about evermore being her best album. after that i'd say red (the original, not tv). reputation could be up there too if it had different production bc the writing itself is top tier but the production drags it down.

[Mer 62,097]

10 hours ago, Embach said:

Unpopular opinion: All Too Well is overrated.

 

Her best song is Clean or any other song from Folklore or Evermore.

 

Also another unpopular opinion: Evermore is her best album.

 

Agree with all this. There are far better songs off Red than ATW, including "Treacherous", "Holy Ground", and "State of Grace". And while evermore is her best album, Red will always be my favorite and hold a very special place in my heart (not Taylor's Version tho, that can fuck off with her bored vocals). 

[SoftwareUpgrade 19,349]

20 minutes ago, Mer said:

 

Agree with all this. There are far better songs off Red than ATW, including "Treacherous", "Holy Ground", and "State of Grace". And while evermore is her best album, Red will always be my favorite and hold a very special place in my heart (not Taylor's Version tho, that can fuck off with her bored vocals). 

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Somebody else who thinks she sounds bored on Red TV, the most egregious example was We Are Never Getting Back Together

[taco truck 33,271]

Apparently an unpopular opinion in this thread but I think for the most part the re recordings sound exactly like the og recordings

[Genesee 6,382]

24 minutes ago, taco truck said:

Apparently an unpopular opinion in this thread but I think for the most part the re recordings sound exactly like the og recordings

right? people have grown way too emotionally attached to the original vocals and need to face the fact that they won't like the re-recordings for that reason. i only started getting into her last year so the differences people hear in most re-recordings are nonexistent to me. with the exception of wangbt, 22, and lwymmd because those actually really do sound different 

[PARADIXO 32,976]

Not necessarily about Taylor's work, but I wanted to say this somewhere lol

 

I'm not a Taylor fan at all, although I do follow what she does simply because she's inescapable. There's no doubt that, ever since Lana was directly associated with Taylor, her popularity raised a lot. It all started when Lana worked with Jack, then Taylor ranked Venice Bitch as one of her favorite songs of 2019, then she praised her receiving her Billboard Award, calling Lana the most influential songwriter of the decade, or something along the lines. Eventually they met, became friends and even made a song together, featured in Taylor's most successful album since '1989'. Then Taylor released 'Folklore', her most Lana-esque album, only one year after NFR!, which by now it obviously made an impact in pop music.

 

I think this all led to Taylor and Lana becoming the two biggest female songwriters in the world. People found dots to connect between them: soft, beautiful, femenine vocals, organic instruments, retro aesthetics... Love as a theme is extensively present in their discographies -- although from very different POVs, of course -- but they still 'call out' all these bad boys they fall in love with, and it seems young women in general really like that. I know a lot of girls who listen to Lana almost the same way they listen to Taylor; to relate to the lyrics, to dream about all these romantic stories, to feel soft and beautiful and emotional. Also they were both heavily critized by the media and the GP, and they're both enjoying a career peak right now.

 

Both extremely different in approach and everything obviously, but I hope y'all get my point.

[taco truck 33,271]

30 minutes ago, babetteateoatmeal said:

right? people have grown way too emotionally attached to the original vocals and need to face the fact that they won't like the re-recordings for that reason. i only started getting into her last year so the differences people hear in most re-recordings are nonexistent to me. with the exception of wangbt, 22, and lwymmd because those actually really do sound different 

Ya also I find it weird that it’s people who say the will listen to the ogs if they don’t like the Taylor versions that get so mad about the differences? Like it doesn’t even affect u then😭😭 tbh I pretty much only listen to TVs mostly bc I don’t want to have 2 different versions of a song downloaded onto my phone and the TVs feel like the “complete collection” of the album, and the first time I listen I can hear some differences but then it just sounds normal to me lmao

[Embach 43,633]

17 minutes ago, taco truck said:

Apparently an unpopular opinion in this thread but I think for the most part the re recordings sound exactly like the og recordings

Yeah same here

 

I don't even care for the wee wee's in Never Ever song. I never really cared for that song either.

 

The only thing I'm tiny bit upset about is that I prefer the sparkly thingy sound intro in the stolen version of Sad Beautiful Tragic more than in the new version. I also love the mattress lyric more in Revenge

[Embach 43,633]

48 minutes ago, PARADIXO said:

Not necessarily about Taylor's work, but I wanted to say this somewhere lol

 

I'm not a Taylor fan at all, although I do follow what she does simply because she's inescapable. There's no doubt that, ever since Lana was directly associated with Taylor, her popularity raised a lot. It all started when Lana worked with Jack, then Taylor ranked Venice Bitch as one of her favorite songs of 2019, then she praised her receiving her Billboard Award, calling Lana the most influential songwriter of the decade, or something along the lines. Eventually they met, became friends and even made a song together, featured in Taylor's most successful album since '1989'. Then Taylor released 'Folklore', her most Lana-esque album, only one year after NFR!, which by now it obviously made an impact in pop music.

 

I think this all led to Taylor and Lana becoming the two biggest female songwriters in the world. People found dots to connect between them: soft, beautiful, femenine vocals, organic instruments, retro aesthetics... Love as a theme is extensively present in their discographies -- although from very different POVs, of course -- but they still 'call out' all these bad boys they fall in love with, and it seems young women in general really like that. I know a lot of girls who listen to Lana almost the same way they listen to Taylor; to relate to the lyrics, to dream about all these romantic stories, to feel soft and beautiful and emotional. Also they were both heavily critized by the media and the GP, and they're both enjoying a career peak right now.

 

Both extremely different in approach and everything obviously, but I hope y'all get my point.

Similarly to this, I remember a fan of both said in a YT video that Lana represents the West Coast of the USA and Taylor represents the East Coast of the USA and imo it's so right.

[Evergreen 8,593]

It's insane how good evermore is considering Taylor started creating the album from songs that didn't make it onto folklore. It's richer in sound and has stronger lyrics, although I still prefer folklore because it has so many songs that I absolutely in love with

[The Siren 30,524]

I like folkmore when they come on but they're my least favs

[wilting daisy 3,395]

3 hours ago, babetteateoatmeal said:

right? people have grown way too emotionally attached to the original vocals and need to face the fact that they won't like the re-recordings for that reason. i only started getting into her last year so the differences people hear in most re-recordings are nonexistent to me. with the exception of wangbt, 22, and lwymmd because those actually really do sound different 

 

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seriously tho, the vocals & production are part of what makes the song. its why some people prefer live versions or demos of songs or lean towards specific artists covering certain songs. like those are situations where its technically the exact same song with the same melody and lyrics but there's somwthing about it that makes it sonically more or less enjoyable based on your specific taste. and yeah being used to a certain version can make you prefer it but that's not a bad thing either. like most of us have memories with those original versions, its fine for us to be attached to them. like i understand some fans (especially newer or more casual ones) not noticing the differences or prefering the rerecorded versions since we have different experiences with these songs and that's ok. idk why people get so upset when anyone admits they prefer the originals to the taylors versions especially since most of us still buy the rerecordings and support taylor's decision to rerecord her music. we shouldn't have to whisper in secret about enjoying songs we've been listening to for over a decade.

 

[wilting daisy 3,395]

2 hours ago, Embach said:

Similarly to this, I remember a fan of both said in a YT video that Lana represents the West Coast of the USA and Taylor represents the East Coast of the USA and imo it's so right.

this reminds me of a tweet i saw awhile back that said lana is for the catholic girlies and taylor is for the protestant girlies and it made me realize that most of the catholic women i know who like both really do prefer lana and most of the protestant girls i know who like both really do prefer taylor

[Genesee 6,382]

1 hour ago, wilting daisy said:

 

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seriously tho, the vocals & production are part of what makes the song. its why some people prefer live versions or demos of songs or lean towards specific artists covering certain songs. like those are situations where its technically the exact same song with the same melody and lyrics but there's somwthing about it that makes it sonically more or less enjoyable based on your specific taste. and yeah being used to a certain version can make you prefer it but that's not a bad thing either. like most of us have memories with those original versions, its fine for us to be attached to them. like i understand some fans (especially newer or more casual ones) not noticing the differences or prefering the rerecorded versions since we have different experiences with these songs and that's ok. idk why people get so upset when anyone admits they prefer the originals to the taylors versions especially since most of us still buy the rerecordings and support taylor's decision to rerecord her music. we shouldn't have to whisper in secret about enjoying songs we've been listening to for over a decade.

 

no i totally agree, listen to whichever version suits you more! taylor is nearly a billionaire, she can live without a couple of streams 

 

i'm just personally annoyed by the fans who actually get mad and ruin the vibe everytime a new re-recording is released because she doesn't sound the same as when she was like 19. now that being said, reputation is my favorite album and i will be a little sad if she butchers it, being the passion of an old relationship is gone. but the old versions will still always be there if you need 'em, so i think there should just be less negativity surrounding the rerecordings.