Honeymoon - Post-Release Discussion Thread + Poll

[slang 1,532]

You're passionate about Lana and I get that being there myself.

 

A lot of the criticism thrown at Lana was abject misogyny but SNL wasn't that. It was a collective blunder fueled by greed for money and quick fame: Interscope wanted to cash in big and quickly, Lana's mangers, who btw did a miracle by putting her on the map with one good song but who were inexperienced at this level and wanted themselves to cash in quickly, and Lana who just wasn't realistic about her strengths and I think that she fantasized at that point about being a popstar. Every show prior to SNL hinted to anyone with ears and eyes that she is struggling on stage. She was stiff, her movements were awkward and her voice was wavering many times. It was obvious that she is not a natural performer and she needs extensive coaching ranging from live singing to stage movement. She has this pathological stage fright which makes her ridiculously self-conscious on stage which makes her losing her focus affecting her singing. It was a huge gamble and they lost. Her music was slow, kind of awkward, her voice is so distinctive and because of these issues they would have had to rehearse her presentation in the smallest detail even regarding her hand movements (which were btw ridiculous). The turning Lana meme was inevitable and was a cynical criticism of how unprofessional was the whole preparation for that HUGE opportunity. That was the other factor of the backlash: she was a noname singer starting her career practically on SNL for that her presentation had to be near perfect to be accepted by the critics and the media because anyone knew how big a SNL slot is.

 

The mainstream media destroyed her and frankly the perfect storm was in the making because the indie press turned slowly against her before SNL questioning her authenticity and talent. It was just a huge PR blunder the whole late 2011 and early 2012 and all the parties above mentioned have their fault in it. They say that there is no bad publicity but we can see now how deeply she was affected by the backlash. I think that her sadness is mainly a result of those events and sometimes I have the feeling that they killed the joy of being an artist in her heart. She's plodding along in her career but she's clearly half the artist she could be.   

 

My only beef against Lana is that she didn't ambition herself after that moment doing everything possible to improve dramatically her live singing and presentation. She had many concerts since then and she sung fine in some of them but let's face it she still has huge problems when performing live and her career is in downward spiral mostly because of it.

Talking SNL is kind of like a bad acid flashback, which I guess makes it Honeymoon-esque in a sense. However, putting it in perspective of whether she feels backlash or not, while she was disappointed at the SNL reception, I recall her defending her performance in terms of her liking it. Some would say that's denial; I'd say it's defiance. And for me the SNL Blue Jeans wasn't bad at all; it was odd but not bad. All the running around on stage she could have done, she actually did effectively with her voice, imo. 

 

Also SNL is not that HUGE. Taylor famously sang offkey at the Grammy's and Sam's performance at the Oscar's was not to his liking, and why should it matter that she was (relatively) unknown when sang SNL, given where she is now?

 

Finally, I am a little worried that LDR's band are not tweeting about the upcoming festivals. Hope they are still behind her and she's practicing with them. I would prefer a lot more social media from her about that, which is not the same thing as saying I want promo, but if she did do more promo, I'd at least feel more at ease about that. 

[lazybooklet 575]

This forum is such a weird place tbh. People are either praising her to high heavens, saying she's the best singer ever and can do no wrong, or people are bashing her, saying she can't sing/write/perform/whatever

 

It's been 4 years since SNL, who really gives a flying fig any more. I just wish Lana would be more active with her career. Like do anything Lana pls. She hasn't done anything in 3 months

 

FOUR albums in FOUR years. Still better than Frank Ocean

[graham4anything 2,859]

As my take on Honeymoon is a delve into the battle between Elizabeth and Lana (make it all go away) and

the early media hatred (SNL)...SNL was the Honeymoon and it went bad from there

 

Somewhat like Mulholland Drive being the mirror image/4th wall breaking of Sunset Blvd.

 

All those comments being said about and to a person who was real and who read the comments and she is reading the hatred towards her and then some think that

would not hurt someone who is a sensitive/passionate person???

 

I believe the sunshine broke through in the end of the album Honeymoon with both becoming mutually acceptable to each other

 

looking forward for the imminent next chapter in the story... one hopes the first single will be released at the start of the summer

[PARADIXO 32,931]

I think the discussion about her psyche is so interisting, but it's like when you google your symtomps you always end up having cancer or something.... 

I think it's only natural that she would get defensive as it´s her art and personal to her so when people hate on it it ovsl. hurts. It's also easy to say she shouldn't care when one sits behind a computer, but when you actually are the person that gets criticized and are in the publiuc eye etc it must feel so much more intense.

 

[leaked_version 10,499]

Guys, you remember the good ol days how we laughed about Mike Will Made It after he tweeted Lana and some of us were afraid as hell Lana might consider working with him because we all thought how he sucks?

 

And a few years later, I wish he produced some of her songs when Beyonce's lead single was produced by him. You know, the lead single of one of the most critically acclaimed records of ALL TIME on Metacritic.

 

How times have changed.

[HONEYMOON 431]

Guys, you remember the good ol days how we laughed about Mike Will Made It after he tweeted Lana and some of us were afraid as hell Lana might consider working with him because we all thought how he sucks?

 

And a few years later, I wish he produced some of her songs when Beyonce's lead single was produced by him. You know, the lead single of one of the most critically acclaimed records of ALL TIME on Metacritic.

 

How times have changed.

 

well this isnt beyonceboards

lana's discog is fine as it is

[leaked_version 10,499]

well this isnt beyonceboards

lana's discog is fine as it is

Pls, don't let the admin read this.It might help getting his forum some traction and donations to keep this place going if it gets attached to the name of Beyonce.

[HONEYMOON 431]

Pls, don't let the admin read this.It might help getting his forum some traction and donations to keep this place going if it gets attached to the name of Beyonce.

 

i will never let that happen... how can i donate?

[leaked_version 10,499]

i will never let that happen... how can i donate?

Contact the admin. Good luck if he shows up b4 Christmas.

[HONEYMOON 431]

Contact the admin. Good luck if he shows up b4 Christmas.

thank you!! you are my friend

[leaked_version 10,499]

thank you!! you are my friend

Always happy to get others some information, cause I slay.

 

Always stay gracious

[SuperMegaStan 9,978]

 

Mark Ronson, Misty, Emile and  Jonathan Wilson.. did the HM crew inspire LG5?  

[leaked_version 10,499]

No1curry about Lady Fag, I want Lana to work with them + maybe Dan Auerbach. I swear, if she runs again to Rick Nowels, I'm done.

[111 36,632]

No1curry about Lady Fag, I want Lana to work with them + maybe Dan AUerbach. I swear, if she runs again, to Rick Nowels, I'm done.

 

She already did

Sorry m8 

#YAIL 

[WhiteHydrangea 4,216]

I can't wait for Gaga to stab Lana by the back again so we can get So Legit Part 2 and revive the Lady Gaga hate on this fanbase

[SuperMegaStan 9,978]

No1curry about Lady Fag, I want Lana to work with them + maybe Dan Auerbach. I swear, if she runs again to Rick Nowels, I'm done.

 

this guy will stay forever coz our girl just found her comfort zone after countless recording sessions of UV 

[Flipflopfan 254]

No1curry about Lady Fag, I want Lana to work with them + maybe Dan Auerbach. I swear, if she runs again to Rick Nowels, I'm done.

I think that she's much more in control of her stuff than some people think. Not Nowels was the problem on HM, Lana was. Nowels is more of a yes-men than Auerbach, so Lana's will came through and HM became as lethargic as it is. For me HM's problems are the lyrics and the lack of passion. Caramanica of NYtimes nailed it in his review when he said that Lana is like a "dog that, when its leash is tugged, simply lies on the ground and shuts its eyes: basking in the sun, feeding off its warmth, never giving an inch". When you come out with music that slow people will focus on your lyrics and message. Hm has no message, is just a slow burning melancholy record fucked up by some really poor lyrical choices and by the relentless monotony. Still it's better than 25 for me but that is not enough to save Lana's career because Adele can sing live and put some hits out

[letsescapelizzy 672]

wow that was the longest stretch this site for ever down like WTF..

 

i thought that was it ..

[Amadeus 11,333]

Rick Nowels isnt the problem he even gave us a summer-y bop version of west coast. as long as lana doesn't want to do something good we'll always end up with hm pt II. III... IV...  

 

Auerbacher would give us snoozy rock uv pt II which would be just as boring considering she's done it all before. She should write something with Justin Parker to score some good lyrics again.

[kristinaj 1,168]

I think Lana has been too cautious this era. I know that the controversies she had to struggle with during BTD and UV era were hard for her, but she's been trying to keep everything so safe lately it's stifling her creativity. I believe she still has many beautiful ideas to share with us but she has to let go of her restraints