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I wouldn't say everyone's a hater, just that we've gotten better at critical thinking. Praise and criticism are given when they're due. I've never liked the sycophantic behaviour that's prevalent in a lot of fan forums as it's disruptive to good analysis/conversation.

Allllllright now seems like a good time to remind the more ignorant stans here (Wilde Childe) that intention does not outweigh impact. Tf are good intentions worth?

You make it sound like lanaboards is a hostage situation for you 

release this trash book and move on already

how can I drink her lyrics like it's the blood of christ and hate her poetry this much

I remember her mentioning something about profits from the poetry book going towards a native american organisation/charity, which imo makes the inclusion of words like resist and colonise even more offensive... like appropriating those very circumstantially specific words in this kind of context is certainly a look™
 
Sis really doesn't know much huh.

Oof, coming thru with a Taylor gif? I'll disregard, thx!

I've always assumed it's purely because of her adoration/glorification of the '60s. I think she just wants to come across as being "political" in a similar way that she feels like artists of that time were being (i.e. only writing/displaying vaguely political things in her art but not doing much actual work or research, I guess).

i think just the sheer use of the word "colonise" from a rich white lady who famously appropriated a native american headdress in one of her all time most famous videos, who has said things like "he's a good cop " about her policeman boyfie and has previously stated (although she went on to redact it) "feminism doesn't interest me because i'm more interested in space or whatever lol" is..... questionable at best, tonedeaf and a display of insensitivity and ignorance most likely, possibly rather racist at worst.
 
do i believe lana had bad intentions with her use of the word and her borrowing of this imagery? absolutely not.
 
do i think she should've just avoided it overall? good lord yes.
 
the poem itself is not nuanced and well-explained enough to really pull off the metaphor. even if it was, many people would still have an issue with it, and that's absolutely fine. colonisation is a very big topic right now (when is it not though?) and although i live in the uk (so i'm not very well versed in native american history, plus i'm stupid) i can see the native community in the US and other countries are absolutely going thru it right now and they're doing an incredible job at drawing attention to their often overlooked issues in real life, on the internet, on television and podcasts, and many other platforms. the current social climate doesn't really allow for ignorance towards this and certainly doesn't allow for the borrowing of such loaded, heavy words. poetry is all about metaphors and interpretations, sure, but this was bound to be a headache from the beginning so lana really should've used her best judgement and avoided it.

art has the potential to actually have meaning, not just some vapid aesthetic divorced from any substance.  this kind of empty, pretty art is actually pretty new in the grand scheme, only coming to the forefront of the art world with mass production and digital distribution allowing today's capitalist class to focus solely on marketing it to as many people as possible and making money off of it, not spreading any sort of message or having any real cultural impact.  even Lana's supposed idols were creating music and poetry with power and meaning, like Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, and Leonard Cohen.  the Beat poetry era that Lana has referenced throughout her work, and from which she seems to borrow a lot of her aesthetic, was extremely political, about exploring issues impacting the human condition, rejecting economic exploitation and materialism, fighting against institutional conformity and conservative ideals and authoritarian bullshit, exploring spirituality (all spirituality, even Lana's half assed white witch shit, is derived from indigenous beliefs), finding sexual liberation, fighting actual colonization..  not that there aren't always problems to be discussed when it comes to art, but that's what makes the whole art world so interesting and impactful.  actual critique and analysis ab what someone's art means or what impact it has is how an audience participates in the artistic process.  open yer mind
 
 
i agree, i think this is a really good point.  the word is so loaded with meaning, with such an intense and violent context in reality - not just a make believe world of fantasy and imagery that Lana seems to live in - that to include this theme in her silly poem is just way off the mark.  i think lana's poetry is cute, but it's not like, hard hitting literature with a deep impact.  many/most good artists use their work to draw attention to issues regarding the human condition, and in today's world, the plight of indigenous people is a huge deal.  there has been a ton of poetry about important issues, referencing colonization etc, that actually makes a point about what's going on with those issues.  Lana makes no attempt to do that.
 
what i dont understand is why she seems to really want to involve herself in larger issues but then misses the mark so bad.  im 100% in support of someone trying to educate themselves ab important issues, or creating art about anything they want.  but it's weird to see her play at this "radical politics theme" without having any sort of actual radical politics, or really any substantial understanding of the topics she brings up.  she does seem to be stuck in a bit of a bubble

I sometimes wonder what kind of social environment is she surrounded by that she doesn't seem to get this kind of necessary criticism or develop true awareness about the social topics she tries to talk about. I'm sure her intentions are good, but her perspective about topics that go beyond her inner world always end up showing themselves clumsy and uninformed. Anyway, I think that she's very slowly enriching her point of view on some matters. Remember how bigot some of her lyrics and declarations have been along the early stages of her career. Not that we should give her an award for thinking twice before writing or saying stuff, but I hope that time -and the aim to amplify her knowledge if she has it, of course- will help her to visualize things from a broader, more inclusive and critical perspective.

Honestly sometimes I feel that we overestimate her. I don’t think she’s as smart as I thought she was... I agree that the use of ‘resist’ and ‘colonized’ in the same context like that is highly offensive even though I believe in the freedom of word use in poetry.
 
If she were speaking clearly about how depression is violently colonizing her and killing her and taking all that makes her her, that would have maybe sounded more poetic and adequate. But the whole poem seems silly and not up to a word like this

What a bad choice of words... she should really be more careful at least when she decides to share her stuff with the rest of the world. She has no obligation to involve herself in politics, but when she decides to do so even indirectly, it would be best if she used her fame to raise awareness about still existing issues instead of offending a group of people (although I'm 100% sure she doesn't realise it, and there's no excuse for that). 

Oh I'm sorry, it's probably just easier for you to ignore these issues and keep stanning a rich white woman who pretends to care about shit she doesn't even try to understand. Sorry reality is too inconvenient for you to acknowledge. :/ Alexa, stream God Bless America And All The Beautiful Women In It Except The Stolen Sisters Because I'm Too Far Removed To Care.
 
#StayFakeWoke

imperial colonists invading a continent and committing genocide, then STILL not recognizing rights of surviving indigenous people on that continent, is NOT "suffering humanity inflicts upon itself."  it's an orchestrated attack by one group over another.  I see what youre saying about using language creatively to describe a variety of things, but it's not an emotional argument here.  indigenous people are currently under attack by neo-colonial governments.  indigenous women, girls, and two spirit people regularly go missing or get murdered with no acknowledgement or justice.  neo-colonial governments still reject the sovereignty of indigenous nations and encroach upon their ancestral lands to further corrupt the natural landbase for economic gain, contributing to actual sickness and death of the people who live there as well as climate catastrophe.  it's not about how someone feels.  it's literally a life or death issue for indigenous people who have been sidelined and ignored when theyre not getting disappeared, kidnapped, re-educated, or killed, for multiple centuries now.
 
i think this is the point thats getting missed by people who have all their material needs met and are able to benefit from governments and societies built by colonialism and genocide.  it's easy to miss just how much is at stake, how dire these issues are, when they don't directly affect someone, or even if someone is able to benefit from this history of colonialism.  so it's absolutely not the same thing, not a fair metaphor, and simply not okay for Lana to use these loaded comparisons to refer to her emotional state.  indigenous people are STILL HERE.  against all past and continuing attacks by colonists, indigenous people still exist and are fighting for their rights and sovereignty, even though they get slapped down, arrested, jailed, sanctioned, attacked, murdered, tortured, etc every single time.  this is a triumphant testament to how the spirit of the Earth can never be defeated.  if Lana wants to acknowledge the strength of these people and use her platform to fight on their behalf, great.  otherwise, she is literally profiting off colonialism and the destruction of native lifestyles in America, then using terms derived from and referencing this history to make points about her first world problems.  it's disgusting.

The only reason Lana Del Racist should be referencing colonization is to hand her platform to an indigenous activist or speak up directly about decolonization and still hand her platform to an indigenous activist.

I 100% agree with you here.  I think her reference to colonization is extremely tactless and makes her come off as privileged and ignorant.  Particularly when she must be aware of the horrors of colonization, having referenced donating money to Native groups just earlier this year and said stuff in interviews about volunteering on a reservation.  Thinking back to her (also tactless) wearing a headdress in the Ride video during the part that says "I believe in the country America used to be" -- I really don't know if Lana has ever come to terms with her privilege or the historical context it has.  Which you'd think, because she glorifies America - a white settler colony still occupying Native land - It's not a good look; that's for sure.  Particularly at a time in history where the war against indigenous people across the globe is still raging and more dire than ever.
 
IMO, in light of what's going on just this year -- with Bolsonaro encouraging further genocide against the indigenous people of Brazil, the Wet'suwet'en people facing Canada's continued brush off of their rights and sovereignty, the way the out of control Australian fires have highlighted the importance of Aboriginal wisdom, the Costa Rican indigenous activist Yehry Rivera being murdered as the Broran community is trying to reclaim their land -- it's never been clearer that the impact of colonialism is still a massive wound in today's world.  For Lana to throw out such a loaded term so casually, and probably referencing some bullshit first world white girl problem like breaking up with her cop boyfriend or thinking her fans are mean to her or some shit -- it's really honestly disgusting to me.  She's built her entire career glamorizing American history without a single mention of how the entire country she "loves" is built upon violence, carnage, millions of dead bodies, and complete disregard for life.  If it wasn't official before (and tbh I havent been a fan for a while) I cannot be a fan of Lana at the fuck all.  She has all this money and privilege and a massive platform with millions of fans doting on her every word, and she's doing jack shit with it.  What a fucking waste.
 

It's not about using the word in a good or bad way, it's using the word, with all its ties to political struggles that she's not a part of (that are still ongoing) to describe her personal feelings. It's like how Audre Lorde's concept of self care, which she coined and used as a radical act (because as a black woman who was ill she found the system was failing her), has now been co-opted by white and often wealthy people to use instead of "unwind" or relax. The concept of being colonised and how that can impact everyday life isn't for her, a white and wealthy woman born and raised (and who often glorifies) in a white settlet colony nation. I feel stupid typing all this on lanaboards about some Instagram video she put up but this segment of writing really rubbed me the wrong way, it has the same vibes as the whole "good intentions will shift the vibrational energies in Palestine" thing. It's a showcase of her privilege and I hope you get where I'm coming from lol.
If it is indeed related (there's no confirmation that this is anything to do w VBBOTG) I doubt many Natives would be happy with a white woman comparing the brutal treatment of Natives to her having boyfriend troubles or problems with mainstream fame that got her filthy rich

Fully no offence but I doubt she's read any criticism of her going to church on here or elsewhere, it's more likely to be a personal thing. Imo the use of the word "colonise" is an insensitive misuse of the word. Colonies still very much exist and given that she's trying to portray this look of being self and politically aware it's not a good look to use colonialism to refer to your own personal and individual feelings.

bl**mb*rg is unironically worse than trump

I'm a Cancer and can confirm I do this. Usually with people that rub me the wrong way. I don't have the time for it.

I think Lana is similar to me. I will randomly cut off people who are seemingly my friends. But its because they rub me the wrong way, usually from the beginning. I feel I can’t trust them, they misunderstand me, or they don’t treat me well. Its not to be malicious. For fellow astrology followers, we’re both Cancers n I think many Cancers do this lol
 
Its just self protection
 
Also I do believe Lana loves us, she loves those of us who are genuine fans... but I also think fame gets too much for her and she doesnt think of the fans in that appreciative warm light, so she comes across detached from us. I rly do believe she cares for us but self love and taking care of herself should come first in her life as it should for everyone. I just wish at her moments of self preservation, when shes cancelling shows, shed open up and express more empathy for us. I love her tho ;(

some get grammy some coronavirus

What post did Jaime make? I've always found it weird how her and Lana were seemingly super close and then all of the sudden they stopped hanging out. (Also, for some reason Jaime still posts about her as if they're still friends) She definitely seems like the kind of girl who cuts people off. Not to get deep but I feel like she's constantly unhappy with who she is which is why she's always changing (appearance, style, friend group, talking voice, etc.)