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Holy shit. This is a big deal for Lanalysis. @SitarHero It also really ties together a bunch of stuff including something I stumbled on recently which I'll hopefully have more to say about soon.

Yeah, her team caught that one, but it's another example where she subconsciously plagiarized something and didn't realize it until afterwards when someone pointed it out to her. She seems particularly prone to this.

A judge might deem it inadmissible, but if I were Radiohead's lawyers I would try to introduce evidence of examples of Lana borrowing from other songs. Obviously melodic examples like the Nino Rota thing and "Careless Whisper" (I think there are other examples I'm probably forgetting?) but also lyrics in order to try to demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

Looks like The Hollies have weighed in now: https://www.mediaite.com/online/band-that-successfully-sued-radiohead-over-creep-weighs-in-on-lana-del-rey-debacle-exclusive/

Might be worth filing suit just for the chance at discovery. Imagining a future where bands pretend to sue each other to juice sales. Or intentionally plagiarize knowing they will get sued, but also that the uptick in sales will more than compensate for the percentage they lose.

Are there any good videos posted anywhere of "Scarborough Fair" from this or any other shows, or of the drags?

Whether it's legally actionable is anyone's guess, but I see many people in this thread are in stan denial about the significant similarities between the verses of "Get Free" and "Creep"-- not just in the chord progressions, but the melodies. I mean, it's so blatant that many, many reviews noted it at the time of the release, one even predicting legal action. Here's just a sampling from several major publications: The closing track, Get Free, is an overly wordy manifesto for personal change completely undermined by the fact that she has blatantly stolen the verse chord progression and melody from Radiohead’s Creep, a much better outsider pop manifesto. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if law suits ensue. Well, even beautiful people have problems. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/what-to-listen-to/lana-del-rey-lust-life-review-pop-star-selfie-generationis-real/ It’s unfortunate that she has borrowed so heavily from Radiohead’s “Creep” on closing track “Get Free”, while it’s undoubtably a tribute to one of the few songs that can make her music seem upbeat, it jars on an album where, for the most part, her influences have been more subtly worked into the instrumentation. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/lana-del-rey-lust-for-life-album-review-tracklist-features-the-weeknd-aap-rocky-a7852166.html And she closes the album with “Get Free,” which hints at both old girl-group songs and Radiohead’s “Creep” as she resolves to dump someone: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/arts/music/lana-del-rey-lust-for-life-review.html As for the music, ["Get Free"] has all the signature elements of a Lana production, circa Born To Die: the surf guitars, breathy sighs and nostalgic melodies. (In this case, the verses evoke Radiohead‘s “Creep.”) https://muumuse.com/2017/07/lana-del-rey-get-free.html/ In typical Del Rey fashion, there’s homage paid to other artists: alongside nods to The Beatles, finale track “Get Free” bears a not-so-subtle similarity to the chords on Radiohead’s “Creep” http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/lana-del-rey-lust-for-life-review

inb4 these quotes and this status end up in a court filing

Does Radiohead have a case here? I think they do. I don't think it's even that close of a call. Especially in the context of Lana's history of subconscious plagiarism. (That said, outcomes are notoriously unpredictable and seemingly inconsistent in this area of law.) But 100%? That's just fucking greedy. I mean, if Sam Smith only had to give up 12.5% to Tom Petty... And the hypocrisy (given their own plagiarism on the song) is staggering. If true, the 40% Lana offered was generous. I hope the judge or jury gives them less than that. Will be curious though to see how many LB users' comments Radiohead's lawyers use that noted this similarity when it was released. Also, @ Lana fans who cheered Robin Thicke getting sued for "Blurred Lines" because they (understandably) hate Robin Thicke. Precedents can be a bitch.

How did I miss this when it happened? Man. Trump of all people becomes president and Ben Mawson wins best manager. Fuck 2017. Good riddance. Hey Lana, give us the deets on those 2005 dates please, will ya? Kthanx. Actually I'm pretty sure some of those meetings ended with a different question. Hmm, so just how, um, extensive was this, uh, involvement? OK, this is a really interesting paragraph here. "Crazy ex-boyfriends". LOL, is that in part a Mizrahi shoutout here? "Complex family histories to work through". Curious given her denials of family involvement in her career. "Eleven publishing commitments made at a young age to unwind". Holy shit. I have an inkling of a few she might be referring to, but man, I'm so curious what all she's talking about here.

Tamarama "hey" backing vox 2.0 And check out that Lana pandering "God save the ocean" nearly lifted from "Mermaid Motel" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Am3AhIM6s

Both times I saw Lana, I questioned whether it was really worth it. On the other hand, I regret not seeing her some of the other times I might have been able to.

Hope for @Monicker?

Can I boot the name of this thread? It should be Disgusting or Delicious.

Damn. I love "Chelsea Hotel No. 2", but I was really hoping she'd cover something else.

at Lana romanticizing dead celebs again. This reveal of the heart was better left unrevealed. I really didn't want to see the receipts.

That photo of him creeping around on her tour

Yeah, Harvey fits a recurrent theme in her work ("life imitates art") but I don't think any songs but "Cola" are directly about him. Remember, her claim of a years long on again off again affair with a record label head is still out there. Harvey's a film studio head, not a record label head. Denied implausibly by unnamed sources. And plausibly contradicted by others.

The TMZ story repeats what "sources close to Del Rey tell us", and notes what the liner notes say, but it's evident from the tone they're not completely buying it. It's skeptical throughout. This may come as a shock to you, but sometimes people lie. Sometimes celebrity handlers lie. And Lana and her team have a track record of it. Lana's camp might as well have said "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying ears?" Whether or not it's about Harvey Weinstein, or if she even says "Harvey", she clearly does not say "ah he's". Anyone who listens to it, whether on record or live, and thinks so, needs their ears cleaned out, is willfully ignorant, and/or extremely susceptible to persuasion. You really have to ask yourself why then is she claiming the lyrics are something they are clearly not? The narrative in the Page Six story would explain that. This is more than just "a fan theory". However much you might wish it to just be that.

Oh, definitely. There were a bunch of people on here who thought basically since its release that if it referred to any Harvey in particular it was probably Harvey Weinstein. In fact, I'd say that was the consensus opinion. Most of the debate was about whether she really was saying "Harvey". Sorry, but if you reference a famous person by name in a song, it's more than fair game for the press to ask you about it.

Seems plausible to me.

It's kinda funny how "My pussy tastes like Pepsi-Cola" is the least controversial line in this song now.

I'm sure this phrasing wasn't deliberately meant to imply any assumptions the author made about what was going on here or anything... Also puts the name TaP Management in a new light, doesn't it? My take on this: Lana's team sucks. (Not the first time I've said so.) The reply that the lyric is "ah he's" seems like someone hastily and lazily consulted the lyric book (notorious for its errors) without checking with Lana and thought they had a slam dunk rapid response. In reality, they've compounded the situation. I could believe that the lyric is "Javi's", or "hubby's", but never "ah he's". She just doesn't say that. Period. Live or on record. Offering alternative lyrics that aren't credible just fuels speculation that the lyric really is "Harvey's" and refers to Weinstein and they're just trying to cover it up. (In fairness to her team, the "ah he's" lyric error does have a paper trail going pretty far back. Along with the unreleased tracks that leaked, Rick Nowels also uploaded the released Paradise songs he worked on and their lyrics, including "Cola", in December 2012 and it says "ah he's".) Weinstein's comments praising Lana fit his now openly known pattern of predatory behavior to a T. And gossip columnists were wise to it even at the time. You'd have to be naïve to think he didn't try this with Lana. The only question is, how was it received? I hate to say it, but frankly, in light of what we now know about Harvey, and given her past comments about sleeping with men in the industry, the lyrics to FMWUTTT, the recurring theme in her work of entanglements with older, moneyed men, and the botched alternate lyrics claim, the lyrics to "Cola" do read very differently now. I also hate to say it, @@SitarHero, but Weinstein probably gets an entry (no pun intended of course) in your precious Lanalysis thread whether you want him to or not. On the other hand, in those papparazzi photos of Lana meeting with Harvey, notice who is with her. Not some random photographer, but her sister Chuck. It bodes well for her not being victimized, at least on that particular occasion. But I'm not sure what to make of the fact that Chuck was there at all. It perhaps suggests that she felt a need to have Chuck there, based on either direct past experience or hearing about him from others. (Maybe she listened to Courtney Love.) Something else to think about: Remember that Oscar sabotage campaign against Y&B that almost seemed to be riffing off stuff I wrote on here about its provenance? Given Weinstein's history of aggressive Oscar campaigning and dirty tricks, it's not insane to think Weinstein might have been behind this as retaliation for her rebuffing his advances at some point and/or to eliminate competition for U2's "Ordinary Love" from the Weinstein distributed Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom. (A good film I saw at TIFF btw. Of course the insufferable "Let It Go" from Frozen won. Also, I know someone deeply sourced in both the U2 and Lana worlds. I really should run this past them.) Or hell, perhaps as part of some kind of complex long term scheme to make her more desparate for another bite at the apple, culminating in her singing the title track for The Weinstein Company's film Big Eyes, which still failed to garner a nomination. All of which would still be consistent with her interview comments that she slept with guys in the industry, but it didn't help her "which is annoying". I also kinda wonder if Jaime King, who was in the Miramax/Weinstein Company produced Sin City films had anything to do with Lana's meetup with Harvey, or if Harvey had anything to do with their falling out. Probably just coincidence though. Either way, this picture is gross: Oh, and let's not leave out the Gaga stans: This seems like an exercise in wishful thinking. No, as I explained above, it really doesn't. Besides, Harvey was powerful, but not omnipotent. And as I also explained above, I think he could have been behind the sabotage campaign. It's classic Harvey. Tried looking for this and couldn't find what you're referring to. But let me know if you do.

https://teamhellions.com/2012/06/26/record-review-sirens-by-may-jailer/