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The fact that I can draw better than Lana  (i can't draw)

Speaking from experience, when I first became a fan of Lana back in 2022/early 2023, I was a diehard ride or die for her. She doesn't know me, yet I'm over here defending her accusations and mistakes like I'm her father. I think when you first hear art and truly listen and digest it and become in love with the art and the person, you become parasocial, whether you realize it or not. You start defending their morally gray actions, going hard for them in X comment sections and so forth. That's just how it is sometimes with certain fans.
 
Now, speaking of that, many fans of Lana still have that mindset, especially at their grown age. I'm not referring to anyone in this website, to be frank, I'm not familiar with even a 1/8th of the people on here. But from what I've seen on social media sites and apps, people really believe that they know Lana personally, and how she acts, and how she thinks. And to some extent, people may, because I know in the past Lana has befriended some of her supporters. But it comes to a point where it's just tiring. Where everything people see that's wrong with Lana, they disregard because the music is good, or because she's mother. And that's just not a proper way to think. This doesn't just go for Lana, but for many other artists, or people in general. 
 
Personally, I've learned to stop letting things to get me. Like yes, will I defend Lana when people spit false accusations and utter lies? Yes, to an extent. But I'm no longer, and have no longer, gone off the deep-end and fight till my hands are bloody for her. To admit it, Lana has done things in the past where she's just not good. It may not be some big, unsettling scandal, but there's been instances that I've researched myself, and she just is morally gray, maybe sometimes black. 
 
What's going on in this thread, to be completely, I haven't been paying attention that much, nor do I care entirely (in some ways). My heart sincerely goes out for the women that endure shit from that guy. No one deserves to be abused or mistreated. I'm not a big dog lover; I'm a cat person (even though I want a husky when get my house), but no animal should be mistreated or be in the hands of a person who mistreats people. Regardless, people batting an eye to Lana's behavior in all this is disappointing. (Not directly saying anyone here btw) I'm sure by now, she knows what's going on, it's been what, one or two days now. I'm sure her team or family has told her, hey your bodyguard did this and that. Or maybe she doesn't know, and her managing team is handling this alone. Who knows. For all we know, the guy could've been fired by now, and during Stagecoach, we won't see him again. 
 
All I think sometimes it's best to enjoy the art. Yes, other times, it's good to talk about serious situations like this, but also enjoying the music is simply an option. That's my take! Now Ima go back to drawing (don't hurt me for this) 

The fact that I can draw better than Lana  (i can't draw)

Speaking from experience, when I first became a fan of Lana back in 2022/early 2023, I was a diehard ride or die for her. She doesn't know me, yet I'm over here defending her accusations and mistakes like I'm her father. I think when you first hear art and truly listen and digest it and become in love with the art and the person, you become parasocial, whether you realize it or not. You start defending their morally gray actions, going hard for them in X comment sections and so forth. That's just how it is sometimes with certain fans.
 
Now, speaking of that, many fans of Lana still have that mindset, especially at their grown age. I'm not referring to anyone in this website, to be frank, I'm not familiar with even a 1/8th of the people on here. But from what I've seen on social media sites and apps, people really believe that they know Lana personally, and how she acts, and how she thinks. And to some extent, people may, because I know in the past Lana has befriended some of her supporters. But it comes to a point where it's just tiring. Where everything people see that's wrong with Lana, they disregard because the music is good, or because she's mother. And that's just not a proper way to think. This doesn't just go for Lana, but for many other artists, or people in general. 
 
Personally, I've learned to stop letting things to get me. Like yes, will I defend Lana when people spit false accusations and utter lies? Yes, to an extent. But I'm no longer, and have no longer, gone off the deep-end and fight till my hands are bloody for her. To admit it, Lana has done things in the past where she's just not good. It may not be some big, unsettling scandal, but there's been instances that I've researched myself, and she just is morally gray, maybe sometimes black. 
 
What's going on in this thread, to be completely, I haven't been paying attention that much, nor do I care entirely (in some ways). My heart sincerely goes out for the women that endure shit from that guy. No one deserves to be abused or mistreated. I'm not a big dog lover; I'm a cat person (even though I want a husky when get my house), but no animal should be mistreated or be in the hands of a person who mistreats people. Regardless, people batting an eye to Lana's behavior in all this is disappointing. (Not directly saying anyone here btw) I'm sure by now, she knows what's going on, it's been what, one or two days now. I'm sure her team or family has told her, hey your bodyguard did this and that. Or maybe she doesn't know, and her managing team is handling this alone. Who knows. For all we know, the guy could've been fired by now, and during Stagecoach, we won't see him again. 
 
All I think sometimes it's best to enjoy the art. Yes, other times, it's good to talk about serious situations like this, but also enjoying the music is simply an option. That's my take! Now Ima go back to drawing (don't hurt me for this) 

The fact that I can draw better than Lana  (i can't draw)

The fact that I can draw better than Lana  (i can't draw)

Y'all are so messy 

The fact that I can draw better than Lana  (i can't draw)

The fact that I can draw better than Lana  (i can't draw)

omg what is going on-

I wouldn’t say she’s “okay” with it, but rather morbidly curious or fascinated by these darker themes—especially in the abstract, artistic form. 
 
I think we all probably surround ourselves with more morally dubious people than we realize, but since we’re not celebrities, no one is digging into our friends/colleagues/etc.‘s closets. 

It's not that she made the songs at all that's immoral. I love those songs and can relate to UV for reasons. It's what's happening with this victim that puts everything else into a bad light, for me.
 
 
Regarding Melanie: I already addressed that. And the fact a Melanie has done fucked up things doesn't absolve Lana of anything. And I can be critical of both, a skill some people seem to lack. Every single artist I like can and have (probably) done horrible things and I can call them out for that 
 

Speaking from experience, when I first became a fan of Lana back in 2022/early 2023, I was a diehard ride or die for her. She doesn't know me, yet I'm over here defending her accusations and mistakes like I'm her father. I think when you first hear art and truly listen and digest it and become in love with the art and the person, you become parasocial, whether you realize it or not. You start defending their morally gray actions, going hard for them in X comment sections and so forth. That's just how it is sometimes with certain fans.
 
Now, speaking of that, many fans of Lana still have that mindset, especially at their grown age. I'm not referring to anyone in this website, to be frank, I'm not familiar with even a 1/8th of the people on here. But from what I've seen on social media sites and apps, people really believe that they know Lana personally, and how she acts, and how she thinks. And to some extent, people may, because I know in the past Lana has befriended some of her supporters. But it comes to a point where it's just tiring. Where everything people see that's wrong with Lana, they disregard because the music is good, or because she's mother. And that's just not a proper way to think. This doesn't just go for Lana, but for many other artists, or people in general. 
 
Personally, I've learned to stop letting things to get me. Like yes, will I defend Lana when people spit false accusations and utter lies? Yes, to an extent. But I'm no longer, and have no longer, gone off the deep-end and fight till my hands are bloody for her. To admit it, Lana has done things in the past where she's just not good. It may not be some big, unsettling scandal, but there's been instances that I've researched myself, and she just is morally gray, maybe sometimes black. 
 
What's going on in this thread, to be completely, I haven't been paying attention that much, nor do I care entirely (in some ways). My heart sincerely goes out for the women that endure shit from that guy. No one deserves to be abused or mistreated. I'm not a big dog lover; I'm a cat person (even though I want a husky when get my house), but no animal should be mistreated or be in the hands of a person who mistreats people. Regardless, people batting an eye to Lana's behavior in all this is disappointing. (Not directly saying anyone here btw) I'm sure by now, she knows what's going on, it's been what, one or two days now. I'm sure her team or family has told her, hey your bodyguard did this and that. Or maybe she doesn't know, and her managing team is handling this alone. Who knows. For all we know, the guy could've been fired by now, and during Stagecoach, we won't see him again. 
 
All I think sometimes it's best to enjoy the art. Yes, other times, it's good to talk about serious situations like this, but also enjoying the music is simply an option. That's my take! Now Ima go back to drawing (don't hurt me for this) 

Speaking from experience, when I first became a fan of Lana back in 2022/early 2023, I was a diehard ride or die for her. She doesn't know me, yet I'm over here defending her accusations and mistakes like I'm her father. I think when you first hear art and truly listen and digest it and become in love with the art and the person, you become parasocial, whether you realize it or not. You start defending their morally gray actions, going hard for them in X comment sections and so forth. That's just how it is sometimes with certain fans.
 
Now, speaking of that, many fans of Lana still have that mindset, especially at their grown age. I'm not referring to anyone in this website, to be frank, I'm not familiar with even a 1/8th of the people on here. But from what I've seen on social media sites and apps, people really believe that they know Lana personally, and how she acts, and how she thinks. And to some extent, people may, because I know in the past Lana has befriended some of her supporters. But it comes to a point where it's just tiring. Where everything people see that's wrong with Lana, they disregard because the music is good, or because she's mother. And that's just not a proper way to think. This doesn't just go for Lana, but for many other artists, or people in general. 
 
Personally, I've learned to stop letting things to get me. Like yes, will I defend Lana when people spit false accusations and utter lies? Yes, to an extent. But I'm no longer, and have no longer, gone off the deep-end and fight till my hands are bloody for her. To admit it, Lana has done things in the past where she's just not good. It may not be some big, unsettling scandal, but there's been instances that I've researched myself, and she just is morally gray, maybe sometimes black. 
 
What's going on in this thread, to be completely, I haven't been paying attention that much, nor do I care entirely (in some ways). My heart sincerely goes out for the women that endure shit from that guy. No one deserves to be abused or mistreated. I'm not a big dog lover; I'm a cat person (even though I want a husky when get my house), but no animal should be mistreated or be in the hands of a person who mistreats people. Regardless, people batting an eye to Lana's behavior in all this is disappointing. (Not directly saying anyone here btw) I'm sure by now, she knows what's going on, it's been what, one or two days now. I'm sure her team or family has told her, hey your bodyguard did this and that. Or maybe she doesn't know, and her managing team is handling this alone. Who knows. For all we know, the guy could've been fired by now, and during Stagecoach, we won't see him again. 
 
All I think sometimes it's best to enjoy the art. Yes, other times, it's good to talk about serious situations like this, but also enjoying the music is simply an option. That's my take! Now Ima go back to drawing (don't hurt me for this) 

Reading this thread I’ve been having some thoughts. Please don’t take this the wrong way.
 
Why is it so bad to criticise Lana? Is she exempt from occasionally making wrong decisions because she is incredibly talented or because she’s our favourite singer? No. She can still do questionable things, and she can be criticised for the problematic behaviour of people she chooses to surround herself with. There’s a clear pattern that has been going on recently. 
 
Lana has stopped engaging as much with her fandom, and probably rightly so. She needs to protect her mental health, her privacy and dignity. When every single thing you say publicly/online gets so heavily scrutinised and twisted, I don’t blame her for not wanting to speak out much on this topic. 
However all this does is give way to speculation. There’s this theory called Occam’s razor which suggests the simplest explanation to events, is usually the most likely one. Sadly the situation here is that we are left to consider, does Lana really just share all the same right wing values of her partner, or does she just simply does not care what political side he aligns himself with because she is blindly in love. But I’ve read so much convoluted gibberish in Thais thread and I just don’t see much point in speculating. 
 
I guess we will never know, she doesn’t owe us an explanation either. So I’ve come to believe there’s not much point in holding her to any expectations. Just enjoy the art. 

1. She mothered in that letter and frankly it was iconic 
 
2. How do you know why Lana decided to mention something in a song? And exactly what "clout" did it give her? It's not like it was a big song at all. Nobody who wasn't a Lana fan heard it.
 
3. Lana is a singer. She isn't responsible for representing a political view. She isn't "betraying her fans" by marrying a Trump supporter lol. If she was some sort of social activist this point would make more sense but she's made it very clear she's.. more interested in SpaceX or something.
 
4. This quite literally has nothing to do with her. She isn't responsible for her management and they don't ask for her permission before they delete comments. She's done nothing wrong lmfao
 
 
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Ewww this is one of the weirdest posts i've seen on this website in a long time. Gross 

Regarding this, and I think it applies to every single person, it doesn't matter if someone does a certain value. But if you're partner's values include racism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-migrant sentiment... no matter what you may think of it, by being with them and tolerating it, you might as well have those values yourself. 

This year we gon starve 

What a horrible day to be alive 

I almost had a heart attack, ran to Instagram @honeymoon to find nothing 

I kind of agree. Except she shouldn't talk about things she'll never actually release. Also her recent projects haven't been timeless.
 
NFR! was timeless. COCC was a good Lana album though she should never have let her terrible friends be involved, but it wasn't timeless.
 
Blue Banisters was a good Lana album but an album clearly not compiled with a vision or goal, just a bunch of songs tacked together and released, some of them with awful sound quality and some of them clearly taken from YouTube. Not timeless. 
 
Ocean Blvd was a mid Lana album but the good songs were almost flawless and collectively better than Blue Banisters. But the collaborations were awful and ruined the album. It felt like listening to a mixtape of her friends at times. Definitely not timeless.
 
 
People care bc we're invested as fans.

The fact pitchfork didnt even took TRPWS announcement seriously bc they said "not every Lana Del Rey album announcement is a serious proposition" so even they are kind of wary about this album being just another discard 😭 I hope this is a sign that the concept may change in the future, buttt I still want the high budget sirens.....

Youre so Right, I think I would officially consider it an era after the first Single, and I hope this album is another RCS/WHF, probably announced this album too early just like lasso... I like the title but I wouldn't botter If she changed it again 

IT'S HER SISTER'S DESIGN ACTUALLY!!!!!

Same, I wouldn’t complain the album title is a snooze and whilst that promo photo she released is cute it shouldn’t be an album cover in that quality.