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Yeah I don't think it's right. Modern fame truly reflects our "chew it up and spit it out as quickly as possible" mentality. Art should be respected and treated accordingly.
 
I also don't agree with promotion and such. I love interviews, don't get me wrong if you have something to say, say it. But art should speak for itself. When artists go with the whole promotion thing, as 99% do now, it just makes it more of a product than art.
 
As with how fame works now, I think the blame should be split in quarters. 1/4 on the artists themselves for playing into it, 1/4 on the rabid fans, and 2/4 on the record label executives, concert promoters, managers, etc. The music industry, and the industry in general, really dictated how everything works. They want you to be obsessed so you always buy new things. It's a money making machine to them.
 
I think it also has to do with our fast food, fast cars, fast computers mindset. I really miss the joy of getting two dvds at the video store and watching the shit out of them. It was appreciated more. Now you can watch 1000 on Netflix and it means nothing because we've become accustomed to it.
 
The world needs change. As for the music industry, I would totally love a music revolution where artists go against the system, against Spotify, against the labels, the radio play, the charts, etc. Let the art speak for itself, ya know? But would they do it? I'm not sure. I don't think many necessarily want change. Most are happy with the money they're making.
 
But yeah, that's just my two cents.

After today's whole mess with Ben vs me, I've decided I'm going to take longer when explaining myself and try to keep a nurturing and tough love attitude that a mother would because I tend to be condescending and irrational when speaking too passionately on a subject and it usually taints my argument from actually having any value or meaning. We love growth!
 

For sure, I totally agree that she should say probably something about soon, and I even moreso agree that her managers acted rudely and immaturely today. 
 
That being said, just because modern fame works this way doesn't mean it's right. Lana is an extremely talent singer/songwriter who shouldn't have to stop releasing beautiful music just because she doesn't want to play by the rules of modern fame. The way we treat celebrities can be sickening. Fans of Britney and Amy were atrocious, and it's a sad reflection of our society that it's normal for some people. 
 
At the end of the day, we really don't know anything about Lana and that's how she wants it. One thing we do know, is that she has alluded to depression and other mental health struggles she faces many many times. So I think before we are all so quick to judge her and attack her for not giving us the updates we want, we should step back and let her do things at her pace. At the end of the day, she is human and she owes us nothing. She releases music much more quickly than many artists do, and I do think she genuinely does care about her art and the people that love it. I also believe that she probably gets pretty overwhelmed by it all and sometimes the easier thing to do is retreat and stay silent.

For sure, I totally agree that she should say probably something about soon, and I even moreso agree that her managers acted rudely and immaturely today. 
 
That being said, just because modern fame works this way doesn't mean it's right. Lana is an extremely talent singer/songwriter who shouldn't have to stop releasing beautiful music just because she doesn't want to play by the rules of modern fame. The way we treat celebrities can be sickening. Fans of Britney and Amy were atrocious, and it's a sad reflection of our society that it's normal for some people. 
 
At the end of the day, we really don't know anything about Lana and that's how she wants it. One thing we do know, is that she has alluded to depression and other mental health struggles she faces many many times. So I think before we are all so quick to judge her and attack her for not giving us the updates we want, we should step back and let her do things at her pace. At the end of the day, she is human and she owes us nothing. She releases music much more quickly than many artists do, and I do think she genuinely does care about her art and the people that love it. I also believe that she probably gets pretty overwhelmed by it all and sometimes the easier thing to do is retreat and stay silent.

I think that goes with fame in general. South Park had a very eye opening episode putting into context how obsessive the limelight is in a Britney Spears themed episode. You should watch it.
 
As for this fanbase, of course there's craziness, but it's silly to demean everyone to that just because of a few. I'd say truly find out the opinions of these stans and it'll open your mind more. Of course if you only skim the top level all you will find is scum. Just don't keep a closed mind.
 
Lana's managers aren't truly any better lowering themselves to that type of level, especially when they're pushing into their early 40s and having an internet brawl with 13 - 21 year olds.
 
But I don't necessarily agree with you on that fact that this forum thinks they're entitled. I think it's a very popular theme people dwell on in order to make us all look bad, but I think most of the people here aren't so much mad at Lana as they are disappointed that she doesn't want to update us.
 
Of course you can argue she owes us nothing, but I mean, living in the modern day of fame you should know that's not how it works. It is disgusting I agree, but where were you when everyone was following Amy Winehouse and Britney Spears in and out of the hospitals with paparazzi and asking them for autographs, yelling at them, asking for new music, etc.
 
In comparison, these are just 13 year olds asking for one simple tweet from Lana stating that she is unaware of how this era will move forward. If I were you I'd just put that into context properly. There's no need to make this into a big thing and make it dramatic. No one is saying they're going to spit in Lana's face at her next concert, people just want a simple answer from the person they're investing thousands of dollars into by buying their albums, merch, future poetry books, tour passes, etc. I think the most respectful and professional thing to do would be a simple update from her on her Twitter.
 
She doesn't owe it to us, it's just a common sense in terms of respect and keeping good morals. That's all.

Truth. This board gets disturbing. I agree that her managers are being unprofessional and Lana should say something soon, but the level of entitlement and melodrama here is horrifying. If I was Lana, I probably wouldn't want to give us anything either.

Imagine in a couple hours Lana's like jk lol and drops the album today.
 
Stranger things have happened...

Imagine in a couple hours Lana's like jk lol and drops the album today.
 
Stranger things have happened...

Why is everyone so entitled? I want the album as much as anyone but Lana doesn't owe us anything. In the last 5 months she has give us 3 amazing songs, one of which being the best she's ever released (Venice Bitch    ) and also awesome live performances of 3 other songs. She doesn't care about good promo so why are we still expecting her to suddenly change? The album is coming soon, and all musical signs point to it being one of her best.
 
I can't imagine reading this board if I was her. I would probably disappear too.    

I agree that it's a bit tiring but I also think we make it more tiring than it needs to be because we obsess over it. Not blaming anyone for doing it, I do it too, but then I remind myself how she doesn't owe us anything and I put on Venice Bitch and float away to bliss. 

I agree that it's a bit tiring but I also think we make it more tiring than it needs to be because we obsess over it. Not blaming anyone for doing it, I do it too, but then I remind myself how she doesn't owe us anything and I put on Venice Bitch and float away to bliss. 

I agree that it's a bit tiring but I also think we make it more tiring than it needs to be because we obsess over it. Not blaming anyone for doing it, I do it too, but then I remind myself how she doesn't owe us anything and I put on Venice Bitch and float away to bliss. 

Why is everyone so entitled? I want the album as much as anyone but Lana doesn't owe us anything. In the last 5 months she has give us 3 amazing songs, one of which being the best she's ever released (Venice Bitch    ) and also awesome live performances of 3 other songs. She doesn't care about good promo so why are we still expecting her to suddenly change? The album is coming soon, and all musical signs point to it being one of her best.
 
I can't imagine reading this board if I was her. I would probably disappear too.    

Why is everyone so entitled? I want the album as much as anyone but Lana doesn't owe us anything. In the last 5 months she has give us 3 amazing songs, one of which being the best she's ever released (Venice Bitch    ) and also awesome live performances of 3 other songs. She doesn't care about good promo so why are we still expecting her to suddenly change? The album is coming soon, and all musical signs point to it being one of her best.
 
I can't imagine reading this board if I was her. I would probably disappear too.    

Why is everyone so entitled? I want the album as much as anyone but Lana doesn't owe us anything. In the last 5 months she has give us 3 amazing songs, one of which being the best she's ever released (Venice Bitch    ) and also awesome live performances of 3 other songs. She doesn't care about good promo so why are we still expecting her to suddenly change? The album is coming soon, and all musical signs point to it being one of her best.
 
I can't imagine reading this board if I was her. I would probably disappear too.    

Why is everyone so entitled? I want the album as much as anyone but Lana doesn't owe us anything. In the last 5 months she has give us 3 amazing songs, one of which being the best she's ever released (Venice Bitch    ) and also awesome live performances of 3 other songs. She doesn't care about good promo so why are we still expecting her to suddenly change? The album is coming soon, and all musical signs point to it being one of her best.
 
I can't imagine reading this board if I was her. I would probably disappear too.    

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.

I can pretty confidently now say after listening to it 100 times, Venice Bitch is Lana's best song she's ever done. What a fucking magical ride.