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  1. Unidentified Major Tom liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree, and it's about time. It's not as if men don't experience sadness, loneliness, disappointment, rage, etc. They certainly do and getting in touch with those very common feelings rather than attempting to suppress them will do them a world of good. And men can do that with biologically male artists like Jeff Buckley, Anderson East, or Lord Huron too. 

    I'm old enough to remember when men as well as women listened to Carly Simon, Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, or Heart and bought their records routinely without thinking of it as women's music. And then for Pat Benatar, Madonna, Sheila E., Sade, Joan Jett, etc.  
     
    It was towards the end of the 80s and into the early 90s, in the midst of Grunge, that I started hearing rumblings about women's music, which some female artists actually promoted, thus there was Lilith Fair, composed of only female artists. Tori Amos refused to be a part of it on the grounds that she didn't create music for a specific audience or gender. 
     
    My advice is just open your ears and spirit and listen, without preconceived notions of what you like or don't like. 
  2. Wtauf liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree, and it's about time. It's not as if men don't experience sadness, loneliness, disappointment, rage, etc. They certainly do and getting in touch with those very common feelings rather than attempting to suppress them will do them a world of good. And men can do that with biologically male artists like Jeff Buckley, Anderson East, or Lord Huron too. 

    I'm old enough to remember when men as well as women listened to Carly Simon, Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, or Heart and bought their records routinely without thinking of it as women's music. And then for Pat Benatar, Madonna, Sheila E., Sade, Joan Jett, etc.  
     
    It was towards the end of the 80s and into the early 90s, in the midst of Grunge, that I started hearing rumblings about women's music, which some female artists actually promoted, thus there was Lilith Fair, composed of only female artists. Tori Amos refused to be a part of it on the grounds that she didn't create music for a specific audience or gender. 
     
    My advice is just open your ears and spirit and listen, without preconceived notions of what you like or don't like. 
  3. Wtauf liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree her fanbase seems to be predominantly composed of women and "queer men," as you call them. But no one considers Elvis Presely's or Frank Sinatra's music men's music, or Led Zepplin's, Jeff Buckely's, or 21 Pilots'  either. There is misogyny involved insofar as some men seem to automatically think of Lorde's or Lana's music as women's music, when I don't think they would say the same thing about, say, Amy Winehouse. 
     
    Unfortunately, too many people think in a kind of cultural shorthand that actually doesn't involve thinking on their part, just the spontaneous acceptance of outdated cultural stereotypes. 
     
    Among the young, I'm happy to see heterosexual-leaning male high school athletes unselfconsciously buying and wearing pink shorts, sneakers, or Crocs without even considering "but pink is for girls." 
     
    I do think, culturally, we're moving in the right direction in that regard, at least among the young—which is where it counts. 
  4. Vertimus liked a post in a topic by shadesofblue in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I think some people hear slow songs and automatically assume it’s sad which is so silly. A lot of people also have this image of her being a sad girl and while there’s nothing wrong with that, not sure why people identify her with that and not others. I don’t think all of her music is meant to be incredibly sad, but more so emotionally provoking. And you’re right, music isn’t based on gender, people who think that way need to get over themselves. Absolutely nothing wrong with men liking her music, if anything I think it’s cool more men are warming up to her music!
  5. Unidentified Major Tom liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I don't think Lana's fanbase is any more depressed than others today.
     
    Lana does not make us depressed with songs like Hope, Yosemite, 13 Beaches, Wildfire Wildflower, or Old Money; these songs free our depression and sadness, frustration,  anger, and occasional hopelessness. 
     
    It's a long tradition going back to the birth of rock n' roll, and, before rock n' roll, blues and folk music.
     
    Very few artists from Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Velvet Underground, Marianne Faithfull in her 60s era, Bob Dylan, the Supremes, Smokey Robinson, Tim Buckley, Joaz Baez, Al Green, and Nico to James Taylor, Carole King,  Joni Mitchell, classic Elton John, David Bowie, Queen, the Patti Smith Group, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Kate Bush, the Pretenders, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Lene Lovich, Blondie, early Ultravox, the Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Sade, Tina Turner, Tori Amos, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Jeff Buckley, Fiona Apple, Natalie Merchant, Lloyd Cole, Amy Winehouse, Kassidy, Anderson East, 21 Pilots, Lord Huron, Rayland Baxter, Father John Misty, Paul Cauthen, the Ruen Brothers, Billie Eilish, etc. have not sang sad songs. 
     
    Sadness and all that comes with it--alienation, frustration, loneliness, anger, jealousy, envy, etc.--is a big part of life. Thousands of people take their lives because of it every year.
     
    Lana's sad songs are meditations on a theme and cathartic and freeing, not the opposite. I don't buy the "Sad Girl Shit" argument, or the "Women's Music" label, which I find incredibly stupid. 
     
     
  6. 13beachess liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I don't think Lana's fanbase is any more depressed than others today.
     
    Lana does not make us depressed with songs like Hope, Yosemite, 13 Beaches, Wildfire Wildflower, or Old Money; these songs free our depression and sadness, frustration,  anger, and occasional hopelessness. 
     
    It's a long tradition going back to the birth of rock n' roll, and, before rock n' roll, blues and folk music.
     
    Very few artists from Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Velvet Underground, Marianne Faithfull in her 60s era, Bob Dylan, the Supremes, Smokey Robinson, Tim Buckley, Joaz Baez, Al Green, and Nico to James Taylor, Carole King,  Joni Mitchell, classic Elton John, David Bowie, Queen, the Patti Smith Group, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Kate Bush, the Pretenders, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Lene Lovich, Blondie, early Ultravox, the Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Sade, Tina Turner, Tori Amos, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Jeff Buckley, Fiona Apple, Natalie Merchant, Lloyd Cole, Amy Winehouse, Kassidy, Anderson East, 21 Pilots, Lord Huron, Rayland Baxter, Father John Misty, Paul Cauthen, the Ruen Brothers, Billie Eilish, etc. have not sang sad songs. 
     
    Sadness and all that comes with it--alienation, frustration, loneliness, anger, jealousy, envy, etc.--is a big part of life. Thousands of people take their lives because of it every year.
     
    Lana's sad songs are meditations on a theme and cathartic and freeing, not the opposite. I don't buy the "Sad Girl Shit" argument, or the "Women's Music" label, which I find incredibly stupid. 
     
     
  7. Wtauf liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I think we are seeing change—I'm seeing it here in NYC. If young male athletes can unselfconsciously wear pink shorts or paint their fingernails black on a lark, then young people are thinking in a freer and broader fashion.  
     
    If some men (or women) can't relate to Lana, so be it. We don't need them to and neither does Lana. Everyone is free to like what they like, and as a result, sometimes we hear things we find stupid, like "Oh, Lana Del Rey? THAT'S Women's Music." The same thing was said for decades about Tori Amos. 
     
    Anyway, headlining venues like Coachella will help free people of the notion that Lana's music is written for or appeals primarily to women. 
  8. Aeryx liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree her fanbase seems to be predominantly composed of women and "queer men," as you call them. But no one considers Elvis Presely's or Frank Sinatra's music men's music, or Led Zepplin's, Jeff Buckely's, or 21 Pilots'  either. There is misogyny involved insofar as some men seem to automatically think of Lorde's or Lana's music as women's music, when I don't think they would say the same thing about, say, Amy Winehouse. 
     
    Unfortunately, too many people think in a kind of cultural shorthand that actually doesn't involve thinking on their part, just the spontaneous acceptance of outdated cultural stereotypes. 
     
    Among the young, I'm happy to see heterosexual-leaning male high school athletes unselfconsciously buying and wearing pink shorts, sneakers, or Crocs without even considering "but pink is for girls." 
     
    I do think, culturally, we're moving in the right direction in that regard, at least among the young—which is where it counts. 
  9. Lina Del K liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I don't think Lana's fanbase is any more depressed than others today.
     
    Lana does not make us depressed with songs like Hope, Yosemite, 13 Beaches, Wildfire Wildflower, or Old Money; these songs free our depression and sadness, frustration,  anger, and occasional hopelessness. 
     
    It's a long tradition going back to the birth of rock n' roll, and, before rock n' roll, blues and folk music.
     
    Very few artists from Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Velvet Underground, Marianne Faithfull in her 60s era, Bob Dylan, the Supremes, Smokey Robinson, Tim Buckley, Joaz Baez, Al Green, and Nico to James Taylor, Carole King,  Joni Mitchell, classic Elton John, David Bowie, Queen, the Patti Smith Group, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Kate Bush, the Pretenders, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Lene Lovich, Blondie, early Ultravox, the Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Sade, Tina Turner, Tori Amos, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Jeff Buckley, Fiona Apple, Natalie Merchant, Lloyd Cole, Amy Winehouse, Kassidy, Anderson East, 21 Pilots, Lord Huron, Rayland Baxter, Father John Misty, Paul Cauthen, the Ruen Brothers, Billie Eilish, etc. have not sang sad songs. 
     
    Sadness and all that comes with it--alienation, frustration, loneliness, anger, jealousy, envy, etc.--is a big part of life. Thousands of people take their lives because of it every year.
     
    Lana's sad songs are meditations on a theme and cathartic and freeing, not the opposite. I don't buy the "Sad Girl Shit" argument, or the "Women's Music" label, which I find incredibly stupid. 
     
     
  10. DemonMic2003 liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I think we are seeing change—I'm seeing it here in NYC. If young male athletes can unselfconsciously wear pink shorts or paint their fingernails black on a lark, then young people are thinking in a freer and broader fashion.  
     
    If some men (or women) can't relate to Lana, so be it. We don't need them to and neither does Lana. Everyone is free to like what they like, and as a result, sometimes we hear things we find stupid, like "Oh, Lana Del Rey? THAT'S Women's Music." The same thing was said for decades about Tori Amos. 
     
    Anyway, headlining venues like Coachella will help free people of the notion that Lana's music is written for or appeals primarily to women. 
  11. violettiaras liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I think we are seeing change—I'm seeing it here in NYC. If young male athletes can unselfconsciously wear pink shorts or paint their fingernails black on a lark, then young people are thinking in a freer and broader fashion.  
     
    If some men (or women) can't relate to Lana, so be it. We don't need them to and neither does Lana. Everyone is free to like what they like, and as a result, sometimes we hear things we find stupid, like "Oh, Lana Del Rey? THAT'S Women's Music." The same thing was said for decades about Tori Amos. 
     
    Anyway, headlining venues like Coachella will help free people of the notion that Lana's music is written for or appeals primarily to women. 
  12. prettywhenimhigh liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree her fanbase seems to be predominantly composed of women and "queer men," as you call them. But no one considers Elvis Presely's or Frank Sinatra's music men's music, or Led Zepplin's, Jeff Buckely's, or 21 Pilots'  either. There is misogyny involved insofar as some men seem to automatically think of Lorde's or Lana's music as women's music, when I don't think they would say the same thing about, say, Amy Winehouse. 
     
    Unfortunately, too many people think in a kind of cultural shorthand that actually doesn't involve thinking on their part, just the spontaneous acceptance of outdated cultural stereotypes. 
     
    Among the young, I'm happy to see heterosexual-leaning male high school athletes unselfconsciously buying and wearing pink shorts, sneakers, or Crocs without even considering "but pink is for girls." 
     
    I do think, culturally, we're moving in the right direction in that regard, at least among the young—which is where it counts. 
  13. Lina Del K liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree her fanbase seems to be predominantly composed of women and "queer men," as you call them. But no one considers Elvis Presely's or Frank Sinatra's music men's music, or Led Zepplin's, Jeff Buckely's, or 21 Pilots'  either. There is misogyny involved insofar as some men seem to automatically think of Lorde's or Lana's music as women's music, when I don't think they would say the same thing about, say, Amy Winehouse. 
     
    Unfortunately, too many people think in a kind of cultural shorthand that actually doesn't involve thinking on their part, just the spontaneous acceptance of outdated cultural stereotypes. 
     
    Among the young, I'm happy to see heterosexual-leaning male high school athletes unselfconsciously buying and wearing pink shorts, sneakers, or Crocs without even considering "but pink is for girls." 
     
    I do think, culturally, we're moving in the right direction in that regard, at least among the young—which is where it counts. 
  14. violettiaras liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree her fanbase seems to be predominantly composed of women and "queer men," as you call them. But no one considers Elvis Presely's or Frank Sinatra's music men's music, or Led Zepplin's, Jeff Buckely's, or 21 Pilots'  either. There is misogyny involved insofar as some men seem to automatically think of Lorde's or Lana's music as women's music, when I don't think they would say the same thing about, say, Amy Winehouse. 
     
    Unfortunately, too many people think in a kind of cultural shorthand that actually doesn't involve thinking on their part, just the spontaneous acceptance of outdated cultural stereotypes. 
     
    Among the young, I'm happy to see heterosexual-leaning male high school athletes unselfconsciously buying and wearing pink shorts, sneakers, or Crocs without even considering "but pink is for girls." 
     
    I do think, culturally, we're moving in the right direction in that regard, at least among the young—which is where it counts. 
  15. shadesofblue liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree her fanbase seems to be predominantly composed of women and "queer men," as you call them. But no one considers Elvis Presely's or Frank Sinatra's music men's music, or Led Zepplin's, Jeff Buckely's, or 21 Pilots'  either. There is misogyny involved insofar as some men seem to automatically think of Lorde's or Lana's music as women's music, when I don't think they would say the same thing about, say, Amy Winehouse. 
     
    Unfortunately, too many people think in a kind of cultural shorthand that actually doesn't involve thinking on their part, just the spontaneous acceptance of outdated cultural stereotypes. 
     
    Among the young, I'm happy to see heterosexual-leaning male high school athletes unselfconsciously buying and wearing pink shorts, sneakers, or Crocs without even considering "but pink is for girls." 
     
    I do think, culturally, we're moving in the right direction in that regard, at least among the young—which is where it counts. 
  16. Vertimus liked a post in a topic by evalionisameme in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    It’s not just the mic- Lana has shown many times she’s 10x more vocally accomplished than someone like Billie but’s inconsistent as hell. This is likely due to poor practice and smoking- you can’t blame the mic for everything when there’s dozens of musicians who have mic issues and still sound good- an in ear issue could be the case in which case she should fire and rehire and a new technician 
  17. twinkletoes7 liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree—there's nothing wrong with sad songs. Even the classic era of the 1920 through the 1950s produced songs like I'm A Fool To Want You, 'Round Midnight, In The Wee Small Hours of the Morning, Hurt, Last Night When We Were Young, My Funny Valentine, Bewitched, Bothered, & Bewildered, etc. Emotional pain and vulnerability have been with humankind since the get-go. 

    Lana also has a lot of songs like American, Mariner's Apartment Complex, Venice Bitch, Video Games, COCC, Let the Light In, Violets for Roses, Not All Who Wander Are Lost,  Margaret, Tomorrow Never Came, If You Lie Down With Me, Wild At Heart, Radio, National Anthem, God Bless America, etc., that are not sad, but happy, hopeful, celebratory, wise, romantic, etc., or bittersweet, like Arcadia.
     
    I look for both of these sides from Lana. 
    It's not a Spotify, it's a private iTunes playlist. Otherwise, I'd be glad to share it. 
  18. prettywhenimhigh liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I agree—there's nothing wrong with sad songs. Even the classic era of the 1920 through the 1950s produced songs like I'm A Fool To Want You, 'Round Midnight, In The Wee Small Hours of the Morning, Hurt, Last Night When We Were Young, My Funny Valentine, Bewitched, Bothered, & Bewildered, etc. Emotional pain and vulnerability have been with humankind since the get-go. 

    Lana also has a lot of songs like American, Mariner's Apartment Complex, Venice Bitch, Video Games, COCC, Let the Light In, Violets for Roses, Not All Who Wander Are Lost,  Margaret, Tomorrow Never Came, If You Lie Down With Me, Wild At Heart, Radio, National Anthem, God Bless America, etc., that are not sad, but happy, hopeful, celebratory, wise, romantic, etc., or bittersweet, like Arcadia.
     
    I look for both of these sides from Lana. 
    It's not a Spotify, it's a private iTunes playlist. Otherwise, I'd be glad to share it. 
  19. shadesofblue liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I don't think Lana's fanbase is any more depressed than others today.
     
    Lana does not make us depressed with songs like Hope, Yosemite, 13 Beaches, Wildfire Wildflower, or Old Money; these songs free our depression and sadness, frustration,  anger, and occasional hopelessness. 
     
    It's a long tradition going back to the birth of rock n' roll, and, before rock n' roll, blues and folk music.
     
    Very few artists from Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Velvet Underground, Marianne Faithfull in her 60s era, Bob Dylan, the Supremes, Smokey Robinson, Tim Buckley, Joaz Baez, Al Green, and Nico to James Taylor, Carole King,  Joni Mitchell, classic Elton John, David Bowie, Queen, the Patti Smith Group, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Kate Bush, the Pretenders, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Lene Lovich, Blondie, early Ultravox, the Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Sade, Tina Turner, Tori Amos, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Jeff Buckley, Fiona Apple, Natalie Merchant, Lloyd Cole, Amy Winehouse, Kassidy, Anderson East, 21 Pilots, Lord Huron, Rayland Baxter, Father John Misty, Paul Cauthen, the Ruen Brothers, Billie Eilish, etc. have not sang sad songs. 
     
    Sadness and all that comes with it--alienation, frustration, loneliness, anger, jealousy, envy, etc.--is a big part of life. Thousands of people take their lives because of it every year.
     
    Lana's sad songs are meditations on a theme and cathartic and freeing, not the opposite. I don't buy the "Sad Girl Shit" argument, or the "Women's Music" label, which I find incredibly stupid. 
     
     
  20. ParsleySageRosemaryThyme liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I don't think Lana's fanbase is any more depressed than others today.
     
    Lana does not make us depressed with songs like Hope, Yosemite, 13 Beaches, Wildfire Wildflower, or Old Money; these songs free our depression and sadness, frustration,  anger, and occasional hopelessness. 
     
    It's a long tradition going back to the birth of rock n' roll, and, before rock n' roll, blues and folk music.
     
    Very few artists from Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Velvet Underground, Marianne Faithfull in her 60s era, Bob Dylan, the Supremes, Smokey Robinson, Tim Buckley, Joaz Baez, Al Green, and Nico to James Taylor, Carole King,  Joni Mitchell, classic Elton John, David Bowie, Queen, the Patti Smith Group, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Kate Bush, the Pretenders, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Lene Lovich, Blondie, early Ultravox, the Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Sade, Tina Turner, Tori Amos, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Jeff Buckley, Fiona Apple, Natalie Merchant, Lloyd Cole, Amy Winehouse, Kassidy, Anderson East, 21 Pilots, Lord Huron, Rayland Baxter, Father John Misty, Paul Cauthen, the Ruen Brothers, Billie Eilish, etc. have not sang sad songs. 
     
    Sadness and all that comes with it--alienation, frustration, loneliness, anger, jealousy, envy, etc.--is a big part of life. Thousands of people take their lives because of it every year.
     
    Lana's sad songs are meditations on a theme and cathartic and freeing, not the opposite. I don't buy the "Sad Girl Shit" argument, or the "Women's Music" label, which I find incredibly stupid. 
     
     
  21. Vertimus liked a post in a topic by twinkletoes7 in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    honestly, i think a lot of it is based on misogyny which again is putting her fans into a stereotype since they are not all women at all.
     
    but, i would say the majority of lanas fanbase are women and the general LGBTQ+ community. we see these stereotypes with anything at all that this demographic enjoys, like astrology for instance. it’s just not taken seriously at all for some reason, like it’s a feminine thing to like and that femininity is inferior. and because they’ve grouped lana into this, they’ll never admit (stereotypical) men can enjoy her too :/
     
    people will always have a problem with lana because she has an absolute cult following of mainly women and that offends them! out of all of the bad places i’ve been in life i’ve found comfort and guidance in lana, her music is so much more than just “sad”. 
  22. Cult Leader liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I don't think Lana's fanbase is any more depressed than others today.
     
    Lana does not make us depressed with songs like Hope, Yosemite, 13 Beaches, Wildfire Wildflower, or Old Money; these songs free our depression and sadness, frustration,  anger, and occasional hopelessness. 
     
    It's a long tradition going back to the birth of rock n' roll, and, before rock n' roll, blues and folk music.
     
    Very few artists from Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Velvet Underground, Marianne Faithfull in her 60s era, Bob Dylan, the Supremes, Smokey Robinson, Tim Buckley, Joaz Baez, Al Green, and Nico to James Taylor, Carole King,  Joni Mitchell, classic Elton John, David Bowie, Queen, the Patti Smith Group, Bruce Springsteen, the Dead Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Kate Bush, the Pretenders, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Lene Lovich, Blondie, early Ultravox, the Police, Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Sade, Tina Turner, Tori Amos, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Jeff Buckley, Fiona Apple, Natalie Merchant, Lloyd Cole, Amy Winehouse, Kassidy, Anderson East, 21 Pilots, Lord Huron, Rayland Baxter, Father John Misty, Paul Cauthen, the Ruen Brothers, Billie Eilish, etc. have not sang sad songs. 
     
    Sadness and all that comes with it--alienation, frustration, loneliness, anger, jealousy, envy, etc.--is a big part of life. Thousands of people take their lives because of it every year.
     
    Lana's sad songs are meditations on a theme and cathartic and freeing, not the opposite. I don't buy the "Sad Girl Shit" argument, or the "Women's Music" label, which I find incredibly stupid. 
     
     
  23. audreysdance liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I have a playlist called Darkness Makes it Easy which contains only 'negative' songs, sad songs, angry songs, crazy songs, songs of disappointment, even stalking songs like Bette Midler's terrifying cover of Moon Martin's My Eye On You. There's a lot of Lana Del Rey songs on it. I listen to it a lot when I'm in a bad or sad mood. It helps a lot. 
  24. twinkletoes7 liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I have a playlist called Darkness Makes it Easy which contains only 'negative' songs, sad songs, angry songs, crazy songs, songs of disappointment, even stalking songs like Bette Midler's terrifying cover of Moon Martin's My Eye On You. There's a lot of Lana Del Rey songs on it. I listen to it a lot when I'm in a bad or sad mood. It helps a lot. 
  25. violettiaras liked a post in a topic by Vertimus in Indio, CA @ Coachella: Weekend 1 - April 12th, 2024   
    I have a playlist called Darkness Makes it Easy which contains only 'negative' songs, sad songs, angry songs, crazy songs, songs of disappointment, even stalking songs like Bette Midler's terrifying cover of Moon Martin's My Eye On You. There's a lot of Lana Del Rey songs on it. I listen to it a lot when I'm in a bad or sad mood. It helps a lot. 
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