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I fully expect this era to be as if not more DIY than the NFR era. I can’t see her shooting big budget music videos with the current pandemic and I doubt she’ll do any interviews considering the reaction from an instagram post. I also expect critics to be harsher towards it too since she probably pissed them off.

I had no idea about any of this. That’s why I asked.

Lorde seemed like she was digging at certain acts when Royals (or her debut album came out in general) came out anyways. Like she was the anti-Ariana and wanted to secure that.

It might be a mixture. I suggest Kim because her statement is crazeeee and Lana does seem to be one for harbouring grudges. I reckon she still vividly remembers what Lorde said too, so Lorde announcing new material and her doin the picture on the same day could be a wacky powerplay also.

Right, so I don't think it's a coincidence that, a day after Lorde comes out of a 3-year hibernation, Lanz drops that post. 
 
Maybe she means Kim too, but Kim is pretty irrelevant whereas Lorde is not. On the day she sent the newsletter email, she trended in multiple countries all day long. I can imagine Lanz being prickly about it. She probably hears about Lorde more than she'd like because she works with Jack, too. 
 
Only Lanz knows, though. 

Hi all, quite a holiday weekend. I spent way too much time on here but it was kind of fun. Time for sleep and back to work tomorrow. Hopefully Lana will sleep tight tonight and not post so maybe I can get some work done. 
 
I was at this show and this is a great video. She could have just said this.
 
https://youtu.be/T4CJRFbAdv0?t=199

I had no idea about any of this. That’s why I asked.

Lorde seemed like she was digging at certain acts when Royals (or her debut album came out in general) came out anyways. Like she was the anti-Ariana and wanted to secure that.

Lorde seemed like she was digging at certain acts when Royals (or her debut album came out in general) came out anyways. Like she was the anti-Ariana and wanted to secure that.

Oh no it’s okay! No need to apologize I just am so far behind lanas drama

Kim Gordon, Maura Johnston, Lorde and recently Ann Powers to name a few. All female artists/writers that have in some ways criticized Lana over the years.

just a question about the emboldened sentence: fix what? 
 
^ just asking cause i don't know what you're referring to in particular. i've missed the last 20 pages
 
don't worry about it, i've done incredibly embarrassing things on this forum that i'm not proud of, it seems like you were just writing with emotion, that's all

Sorry, the tone of my comment wasn't meant for you, since you didn't know about any of this. I just meant people in general.

Forgive me if this has already been posted and talked about here. I don't know how I missed it.
 

 
I'm feeling for her. I think the problem is that she, having white privilege and class privilege, doesn't have the instinct to think about the multi-faces of feminism before she talks about it. She talks from her position of privilege, but it doesn't mean she has everything. That might make her think that not having everything (not having full acceptance in the 'culture') is on the same level as the need for many more serious issues in equality and unfortunately this came out at the wrong time.
It's such a shame. I really want Lana to have a voice. She's had no success asking to be heard fairly. As a feminist myself, I'm not even sure how we can fix this. Maybe she just has to fix it herself. In this video she only semi-appologised and tried to make up for it by sharing the knowledge she DOES have, without admitting there are things she is yet to understand and that she should try to, in order to understand the response she received.
It's still a tricky situation. 
She is not racist period.
She IS privileged and she should make the room to learn about it. She needs some teachers. Why doesn't she ask the singers she listed to help her out? 

I didn’t even know she had a riff with lorde until this forum. I’m so far behind.
 
 
I busted up laughing when I saw you had that. God I was dramatic.

Because in the song she's basically bringing down another woman to raise herself up as a means to appease a man?

So, the problem is.....her fickle bullshit aka her.

One guy on Tik Tok was going off about Beyonce's accomplishments as a black woman as if Lana somehow invalidated them... I hate it here. I think it's time for a social media break oml.

Another thing: it's interesting how during the NFR era she was talking about how she wished she filtered herself in the past, and during her past few tours she'd make subtle comments after singing songs like Ultraviolence and Gods & Monsters (I think she said something along the lines of "what was I thinking when I wrote those songs). I wonder what changed for her all of the sudden.

Here it is but she’s pretty spot on now that we can see the aftermath
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TeYmTm37jjE

No one crucify me for this but someone online did do a card reading for her and Sean and the reader said Sean was an attention whore who will ride on her coattails and Lana would figure that out sooner or later.

Came here to say that and there was no “red heads can’t eat here, go to the redhead section” I’m a red head and I winced. We might not be a huge population but that’s it.

I still jokingly say “adams first wife was a redhead soo” and we know they did Lilith dirty

No one crucify me for this but someone online did do a card reading for her and Sean and the reader said Sean was an attention whore who will ride on her coattails and Lana would figure that out sooner or later.

Lmao.... Shes talking about women who are soft spoken and when they try and stand their ground men dont take them seriously. Happens to me alot. Happens alot in Korean culture aswell. Men don’t take your “no” seriously because they see you as submissive and think they can force whatever they want on you. Its not solely a sexual thing. It happens in all sorts of ways.

idk i read her statement not as overtly racist but not really recognizing how her own privilege, as a wealthy white woman in america, played into it.  she has done and said racist stuff in the past.  even very recently.  i posted whole things on lanaboards months ago about her blindness to racial dynamics in her 3 part video throwing shit at cops and laughing with no fear of being shot and killed.  compare that to beyonce making a video with powerful statements about Black resilience in the face of racist policing and police brutality and getting a bunch of republicans talking about lynching her or how shes "anti american" or some shit.  she wore a headdress in the Ride video while saying "i believe in the place america used to be" (presumably referring to... idk the '70s?  def not pre-colonialism).  she dated a TV cop who engaged in racial profiling on his stupid tv show and said hes "one of the good ones".....  there's a precedent for people thinking she's ignorant and blind to the racial subtext of the shit she puts out.
 
i think Lana specifically referencing mostly Black women - then proceeding into an angry post ab the backlash she's gotten -  reads as her slating those artists as her competition, or not getting backlash, or having advantages over her or whatever. which would be dismissing those artists experiences.  re-reading it, i can see how possibly she didn't mean it like that.  but i dont think its insanity for people to read the subtext of a white woman complaining that these (more) popular Black artists are more successful than her or not as attacked as her or something.  she really made it sound like that.
 
i also think its an incredibly white privilege-y thing to say "oh well this definitely isnt about race."  i think race dynamics play a much larger role in society than a lot of white people are willing to acknowledge.  part of what's interesting about this generation is how these issues ARE coming into the mainstream consciousness more.  and i think Lana, if she wants to be taken seriously like she says, should pay more attention to that.  idk, is she not not racist or not not anti-racist?
 
BEYOND the race thing, her whole point is that she wasn't glamorizing abuse.  WHY then, has she recently done things such as stop singing "Cola" bc of how it glamorizes a Harvey Weinstein-esque predatory relationship or "he hit me and it felt like a kiss"?  she clearly thinks those things are problematic.  i think its possible Lana has faced abusive or exploitative scenarios and relationships in her life, if her music is to be taken as autobiographical to some extent.  she literally started out singing about Lolita relating the story to herself.  which is straight up about an underage girl being abused and exploited by a narcissistic older man.  she may not be glamorizing it.  and i dont think acknowledging the reality of those dynamics is bad.  but she could use her story as a way to advocate for women instead of being "not not a feminist."