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The problem is not the original definition, but the context in which it was (mis)used (Calls for the destruction of Israel). Just as the swastika was originally a religious symbol, but in most cases it is no longer understood in this way.

@Veinsineon the slogan "from the river to the sea" is very disputed:
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
 
On November 11, 2023, the slogan was banned in Bavaria (Germany), and "the prosecutor's office and the Bavarian police warned that henceforth the use of this slogan, regardless of language, will be considered as the use of symbols of terrorist organizations. This may result in punishment of up to three years in prison or a fine."

There are a lot of immigrant Muslims living in Germany and right now Jews are actually living in fear (again) because all the hate is now directed at them. It's absolutely shocking.
 
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/absolutely-appalling-a-new-wave-of-anti-semitism-sweeps-across-germany-a-50e18e6a-03ae-4ea5-99ec-6d0c8753558a
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/24/rise-in-antisemitism-brings-germans-back-to-most-horrific-times
 
I'm in favor of pro-Palestinian protests, but you have to be careful that they don't turn into anti-Semitic violence (even though most of the protesters are actually peaceful).

If we get a Morgan Wallen collab on this album I’m becoming a full time Ethel Cain stan
 
I really hope this record is inspired by older country music, I don’t want any modern country pop influence at ALL

a morgan wallen collab would be the absolute worst decision for her to make, controversies aside, from what i've heard, his music sounds like hot garbage and collaborating with such a basic, mainstream, commercialized country artist who's hardly actually country, and who's also known for saying the n-word, would be a very embarrassing look for her, she could do so much better

For real, you put everything perfectly into word. He's making like fast food country 😭

So…… we agree? Nobody supports Hamas, or violence against civilians. We all want to see people living equally and in peace,  yes?
 
So we should ALL be in support of an END to the siege. An END to the OCCUPATION. and the ESTABLISHMENT of REAL FRAMEWORK. 
 
I think I can speak for all of us when I say that it’s the lip service on behalf of our governments that cause our opinions to become so heated. We are all brothers and sisters on lanaboards. We just want to see lives saved. It’s times like these where we cannot afford to carry the weight of the world on our shoulders. By no means does this mean I think we should stop talking about this and the updates from the ground. Awareness is key. But I’m really going to try to not be so quick to lash out at people like @Noam, like another user said, their experience living there is probably much different from ours. We have access to an unbias perspective from the internet. Someone who grows up to serve in the IDF therefore enforcing the oppression (regardless if they want to believe that’s what they were doing or not) is going to think it is normal. Even acceptable. We should just strive to further awareness more than anything. Post the articles, videos, and interviews. QUOTE/CALL OUT the people spewing lies and ILLUSTRATE the double standards. 
 
 
but most importantly take care of yourselves. Take a day off from reading about things. Put down the connection. It’s so easy to fall down a rabbit hole of hopelessness in times like these. We can’t fight for anyone if we are not healthy ourselves.
 
happy holidays if you celebrate guys, god bless.

The problem is that people always blame the other side for everything (whether they are right or not). Everyone should first solve the problems on their own doorstep, the Palestinians should ask themselves if they are trivializing the terror of Hamas too much or distancing themselves from it too little, and the Israelis should actually realize that they are constantly increasing the terror and hatred against them with their military actions, violations of international law, and illegal settler activities.

I think this thread is a perfect example of how things are getting messy in the international discourse.
 
Putting it in spoiler because it's long:
 
That said, some things should be simple enough not to get confused but for some reason, it's hard for some people:
 
You can criticize the despicable, evil actions of the Israeli government without being antisemistic.
You can hold Hamas responsible for their crimes and still support Palestine.
All Jews aren't Zionists.
All Palestinians aren't terrorists.
All Israeli don't support Netanyahu.
All Palestinians don't support Hamas.
 
I don't know if the two-state solution will ever see the light of the day and if Palestinians will finally live in peace, but I do know the true victims right now are the civilians being bombed, killed and mutilated for crimes they didn't commit. All the money and energy Western countries are putting in that conflict should be for humanitarian aid and nothing else.
 
Side note: I wouldn't ban people spouting IDF propaganda. There's a slim chance they've been brainwashed and interacting with other people might open their eyes. As slim as it is, I'd still take it.

There are unfortunately many (1000+) cases of illegitimate imprisonment in Israel and I agree that they need to stop ASAP. Administrative detention should be reserved for rare and real security threats and the way Israel uses it for mere speech that they deem inciteful and the like is incomprehensible. It's also unfair that Israelis get sent to civil court and Palestinians get sent to military court (much higher conviction % and little leniency) for the same crimes
 
That being said, it doesn't excuse Hamas taking innocent Israeli hostages on October 7th

Hamas's actions on October 7th cannot be justified in the name of retaliation
 
It's not like Hamas orchestrated a tactical attack on Israeli military targets. They orchestrated a massive and brutal assault on innocent civilians (both Jewish and Muslim; contrary to popular belief, Israel is not some white Jewish monolithic state) and took hundreds of hostages in the process

I just wanted to say: thank you for contributing to the thread. Most people in your position would be hesitant to, given the nature of the discussion, so I really appreciate that you did.
Other than that, my thoughts pretty much echo what @Ultra Violet said in her response to you. I think the "leaders" on both sides of this conflict have let their people down miserably.

Ginger Spice vs Posh Spice 

@Veinsineon the slogan "from the river to the sea" is very disputed:
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
 
On November 11, 2023, the slogan was banned in Bavaria (Germany), and "the prosecutor's office and the Bavarian police warned that henceforth the use of this slogan, regardless of language, will be considered as the use of symbols of terrorist organizations. This may result in punishment of up to three years in prison or a fine."

There are a lot of immigrant Muslims living in Germany and right now Jews are actually living in fear (again) because all the hate is now directed at them. It's absolutely shocking.
 
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/absolutely-appalling-a-new-wave-of-anti-semitism-sweeps-across-germany-a-50e18e6a-03ae-4ea5-99ec-6d0c8753558a
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/24/rise-in-antisemitism-brings-germans-back-to-most-horrific-times
 
I'm in favor of pro-Palestinian protests, but you have to be careful that they don't turn into anti-Semitic violence (even though most of the protesters are actually peaceful).

Ok, I wasn't expecting that
 
femme fatale - maybe that's the new direction for ldr10

Ok, I wasn't expecting that
 
femme fatale - maybe that's the new direction for ldr10

Ok, I wasn't expecting that
 
femme fatale - maybe that's the new direction for ldr10

Ok, I wasn't expecting that
 
femme fatale - maybe that's the new direction for ldr10

Famous In Arkansas

no.
LDR10 is psychedelic experimental electronic lo-fi album mixed with trip hop, shoegaze, alternative rock, hip hop and dark demonic ambient with dreamy cinematic vibes and touch of psychedelic country and punk rock. very angry and explicit record full of grief, regards, crying and being pissed at the same time. only 2-3 tracks being calmer

I think it's safe to speculate that either the joint album with nikki lane or standards & classics might be on the way this time

Seeing a lot of privileged Europeans and Americans talking s*** and judging my country (and Jews), thinking that they know every single thing about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is WILD.
While a lot of you read their news straight from influencers' instagram stories or from TikTok, yet I'm the one living here, in this situation, for 20+ years.
 
Let's clear some misconceptions/ignorant things I've read here:
Most Jews in Israel aren't white - a lot of us are Middle Eastern (including myself), so we literally got nowhere to go (my ancestors' countries ethnically cleansed all the Jewish people living there). Most Israelis want PEACE and believed in the two states solution (unfortunately some stopped believing in it since October 7th), and don't agree with our goverment's actions (I personally protested against the government several times the past year) Israel don't have any official responsibility for giving aid to Palestine (yet we've been doing that) Some of you seem to forget/ignore - HAMAS IS A TERRORIST GROUP, WHO MURDER THEIR OWN PEOPLE! on October 7th, they k*lled Muslim Bedouins as well! about the quote "Cease fire in Gaza" - every single time that there is a ceasefire between Israel and Palestine, Hamas is the one that breaks it, exactly like they did with the terrible massacre on October 7th The quote "From the river to the sea" = the erasure of Israel & the Jewish people living here (again, most of us don't have second citizenships, we literally got nowhere else to live in) Palestine got free in 2005 "In 2005, Israelis of the Gush Katif Israeli settlements were evacuated as part of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, and all Israeli restrictions on internal movements ceased". Unfortunately Hamas got elected in 2007... About some comments of IDF soldiers on videos - as a former IDF soldier myself, I'd NEVER support hurting of innocent civilians! Most Israelis don't! (except crazy right-winged people) The Palestinians that are in Israelis prisons right now - are terrorists who tried to commit murders/bombings. Israel don't imprison innocent civilians, just like any other country don't. One last thing - the word "Zionist" is being used as a slur in the past month, and it's 
Zionism = the belief that Jews needs a country. after the rise of antisemitism we're seeing going on in the world, proofs why we need a country.
 
I want to thank you if you took the time to read my comment. I still have hope we'll be able to live alongside Palestine peacefully.
May Palestine be free from Hamas, and we'll be free from Netanyahu.

Still WAY too many people I know being like "it's a difficult situation". "Hamas is using human shields so what else is Israel meant to do?"
Idk, NOT get a free pass to commit war crimes??? Would YOU think it's fair enough to be bombed in your own city and then again at places you are told to go for shelter by the attacker just because some evil people might be roaming beneath you? Would you be okay with you and your family dying as human shields? And even if you were a hostage, would you be okay with 80 innocent people dying to supposedly kill one person involved with the crew keeping you hostage?
People love to think with what they think is "logic" and "strategy" before they even consider the value of human lives. We don't need more politicians like that. We don't need more people in the world like that.

Holocaust comparisons continue to remain absurd..