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This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
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What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 
 
Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  
 
On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
 
P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol. 

This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
--
What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 
 
Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  
 
On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
 
P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol. 

This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
--
What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 
 
Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  
 
On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
 
P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol. 

I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
 
Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
 
Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
 
In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
 
Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
 
Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
 
In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
 
Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
 
Next.
 
On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
 
According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
 

 
 
Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
 
Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
 
Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
 
Edited for links to sources!
 

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we know of all of the confirmed titles from the leaks of young like me and from the end, we know of a star for nick from her myspace

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Omg yes we finally got a Lizzy thread too! Idk how unpopular it is but AKA is one of my favorite Lana albums ever. It's in my top 4 Lana albums 
There is something so beautiful and mysterious about Lizzy era, truly ahead of her time 
 
I love Sirens too, A Star For Nick is probably my favorite Lana unreleased song (w Fine China and Hollywood)
 
I neeeeeeeeed to hear For Charlie
 
 

LDR.fm was a lana forum before lanaboards that was only up for like half a year, the owner (I forgot her name) was someone involved with the first laptop/email hack, she had a zip of songs that we all know and love today that she shared with a group of lana listeners after finding them on last.fm, this group then became the mods on LDR.fm after the owner created the forum. they used the forum to leak these songs, they would do tinychat radio shows and drop the mp3s. most, if not everything, that leaked in 2012 came from them via this way. i think in july 2012, the forum suddenly went offline never to come back. the owner disappeared, most people assumed she got arrested or hugely threatened. the songs from her zip continued being shared around, finding its way to random tumblrs who leaked the rest in 2013-14. a few years ago someone tracked down the owner of ldr.fm and had an interview with them, it was shared here briefly but i don't know if the post is still up. the owner kinda confirmed lana's team probably threatened or took legal action against her and she had to disappear and never mention lana again. a lot of ldr.fm users like evilentity, myself, trash magic etc. migrated to lanaboards. the ldr.fm mods kept popping up every now and then to continue leaking stuff, most notably the 2015 reddit leaker. from chatting with him, it didn't seem like they had much music left to leak but moreso live footage/recordings and visuals.

It's objectification.

Poetry tour confirmed

I can’t believe she’s never done Sad Girl  Well, there’s a first time for everything. Lollapalooza is calling for Sad Girl !

No, she’s probably gonna play 18-20 songs, 4 from btd/ paradise 3 from Ultraviolence, 0 honeymoon, 2 lfl, 4 nfr, 3 Chemtrails, 1 bb, 4 Ocean Blvd, and maybe throw in Say Yes to Heaven and a cover lmao 

100%. Like you don’t want to pay to travel, pay for expensive tickets (especially festival tickets) and then have the artist not actually sing that much lol. I feel the exact same way and why I decided not to see her in Chicago this summer. plus I feel too old for music festivals
Fwiw, I saw lana in 2014 and 2018, and the 2014 concert was a much better performance. I totally respect that she doesn’t like to perform that much, but if you have fans that are paying a lot of money to come see you, you need to sing your songs!

I want electric guitar and drum driven Candy Necklace because deep-down I'm an Ultraviolence Whore.

i want this exact setlist...i'm a dreamer i dream a lot in my sleep
 

"Swing it high Cherry Blossom with my hands on your knees" 

some interesting/obscure information i found in the minor general questions thread
 
- the alt. title "trash sugar magic" came about because somebody during the ldr.fm era referred to the trash magic demo which is sometimes known as "the man i love" as "trash sugar magic"
 
- somebody claimed to have seen the "rehab" title on her myspace, but take that with a grain of salt
 
- "god bless america" was considered to be the title of lana del ray a.k.a lizzy grant, alongside born to die
 
- her father helped with the marketing of ldrakalg and said he enjoyed living vicariously through her
 
- she planned on re-released/re-recording kill kill and mermaid motel, obviously this never happened
 
- there's a mention of a rumored "oh say can you see" video, alongside queen of the gas station and smarty, we know that there's a qotgs video, but the other two are still not 100% confirmed, so take that with a grain of salt, just thought it was interesting that it was specifically mentioned alongside the other two which were rumored for years (now we know for sure one of those do exist)
 
- this seems to be another early version of the born to die tracklist which was posted by ldr.fm mods, without you, dark paradise, and hundred dollar bill seem to be the bonus tracks
 
 
resistance was included on an album titled "slam-complete studs collection", oddly enough, it seems like this album is from 1993? according to the post it was titled as "resistor" on the album (there was an amazon link to it, but unfortunately it no longer works)
 

 
- somebody from reeve carney's band mentioned lizzy grant, at the time, her myspace was called "therichwhores" so this was probably during 2007, he called her "terrific" and "really talented"
 
- "bollywood hawaii" which is the laptop demo of "maha maha" is titled that because that's the title that princess superstar gave the instrumental ("bollywood hawaii in space")
 
- the "final" or "alternate" version of st. tropez may just be a rumor, a rumored "better" version of betty boop boop was also mentioned but that could very likely be false
 
- allegedly a fan become friends with lana and she sent him songs, "future jazz" and "endless summer" which later become freak... very likely fake but still interesting  
 
- lana was planning to scrap west coast, but after dan auerbach reworked it, she liked it and decided to keep it for the album
 
i didn't go through the entire thread but i found some interesting things!

having no life helps 

I've never tried contacting him, but here's more sleuthing stuff about him I posted earlier in this thread:

JUDAH SMITH INTERLUDE GONE??? 

This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
--
What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 
 
Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  
 
On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
 
P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol.