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Her team or someone very close to her really needs to level with her about this, cause its not cute and It seems like there are too many people in her circle who are just like 'you did nothing wrong they're crazy, keep doing you sis!'
 
Like, her intentions aren't bad, and she knows that and people around her know that, but its totally fine to be like, I can see where I messed up etc... Kind of a basic life skill really, though one clearly thats been widdled away in her case.

Well... She just can't not do it I guess.
 
I understand that she has severe trust issues and trauma regarding media and her narrative that makes her overly defensive, but it is absolutely puzzling to me how apparently no one of her friends of color in her inner circle havent sat her down and been like 'you know what you did was wrong right?' like what?
 
Anyway, incoming panned offensive full cancellation era shes just digging in. I get that she thinks this 'controversy' is unwarranted like the other ones, but its not the same thing and shes gonna learn that the hard way if her team or someone doesn't stop her.
 

I don't co-sign all of this, but I think it might just be complicated by her fame tbh. Idk anything about her friends really, and its not like all POC are woke etc, but you definitely have a point about like 'true' friendships and what not... at least thats been my experience as I've gotten into my twenties and re-evaluated my old friendships (for context, I am black)
Good friends DO want to educate you, especially when you are wrong. And Good Friends can be receptive to that kind of criticism. My problem with the QFTC reception as an onlooker (and one of the most likely unintended consequences of 'cancel culture') is just its efficacy on an individual level. There are people who say and do racist or sexist or problematic things that we can't forgive, and who are malicious and come from a bad place, and there are those who are ignorant - often painfully so, but believe they are coming from a good place. I think Lana is one of the latter, and even though she doubled down during the QFTC debacle about being misunderstood and made it about her, it just made me want her to realize she was wrong, rather than throw her away for being wrong about it. I knew she had friends of color (some were people even mentioned in the post) and while I don't expect all POC to be woke, educate everyone around them all the time mental labor etc., I was just kind of personally hoping she'd have this kind of backlash again but localized from people who actually know her 1 on 1, because she is very very distrusting of media reception, to an unhealthy amount for sure.
 
I don't think she fakes being woke though, I actually think she just doesn't think about that kind of thing at all in the first place and sees herself as a morally upstanding person, which then absolves her of having to think about things. It's privileged and narcissistic (ironically, the thing she says is tearing America/the world apart) but yeah, that's my take.
She's like the most millennial in the way she speaks and in her music, but also kind the worst at social media and being informed on news at the same time, its really interesting actually
 
That being said, it + her being rich and famous and surrounded by yes-men might be another reason for a friend who is a POC to like, avoid calling her out. I've had that white friend who like... definitely could be better about certain issues, but I just don't speak up to them because at the end of the day, its taxing for me and we arent *that* close anyway, like I dont think of us as best friends or friends for life or anything. Sincerely hope she has people like that in her life who can be like 'hey girl, this isn't okay and heres why' with total honesty. 
 
Anyway, I didn't really stan Lana as a person ever, mostly her music and her story and how its impacted my life personally, so this doesnt really affect me too much, but she's really pushing it. I don't need to stan her as a person, but I do kind need her to be the kind of person who isn't so awful that it makes me want to distance myself from her entirely for my own sake. I totally understand people who have already done that in this last year and who are going to do that in the future. Just hope I'm not one of them!

I am absolutely an SJW to some people but... this kind of thing (and some bits of her article) is so cringeworthy, even if this is just a joke. It would be fine if it was truly just a joke from a random on twitter, but when I read that article (reread it like 30 minutes ago) I could see how she could be serious about something like that... 

Her team or someone very close to her really needs to level with her about this, cause its not cute and It seems like there are too many people in her circle who are just like 'you did nothing wrong they're crazy, keep doing you sis!'
 
Like, her intentions aren't bad, and she knows that and people around her know that, but its totally fine to be like, I can see where I messed up etc... Kind of a basic life skill really, though one clearly thats been widdled away in her case.

Well... She just can't not do it I guess.
 
I understand that she has severe trust issues and trauma regarding media and her narrative that makes her overly defensive, but it is absolutely puzzling to me how apparently no one of her friends of color in her inner circle havent sat her down and been like 'you know what you did was wrong right?' like what?
 
Anyway, incoming panned offensive full cancellation era shes just digging in. I get that she thinks this 'controversy' is unwarranted like the other ones, but its not the same thing and shes gonna learn that the hard way if her team or someone doesn't stop her.
 

I don't co-sign all of this, but I think it might just be complicated by her fame tbh. Idk anything about her friends really, and its not like all POC are woke etc, but you definitely have a point about like 'true' friendships and what not... at least thats been my experience as I've gotten into my twenties and re-evaluated my old friendships (for context, I am black)
Good friends DO want to educate you, especially when you are wrong. And Good Friends can be receptive to that kind of criticism. My problem with the QFTC reception as an onlooker (and one of the most likely unintended consequences of 'cancel culture') is just its efficacy on an individual level. There are people who say and do racist or sexist or problematic things that we can't forgive, and who are malicious and come from a bad place, and there are those who are ignorant - often painfully so, but believe they are coming from a good place. I think Lana is one of the latter, and even though she doubled down during the QFTC debacle about being misunderstood and made it about her, it just made me want her to realize she was wrong, rather than throw her away for being wrong about it. I knew she had friends of color (some were people even mentioned in the post) and while I don't expect all POC to be woke, educate everyone around them all the time mental labor etc., I was just kind of personally hoping she'd have this kind of backlash again but localized from people who actually know her 1 on 1, because she is very very distrusting of media reception, to an unhealthy amount for sure.
 
I don't think she fakes being woke though, I actually think she just doesn't think about that kind of thing at all in the first place and sees herself as a morally upstanding person, which then absolves her of having to think about things. It's privileged and narcissistic (ironically, the thing she says is tearing America/the world apart) but yeah, that's my take.
She's like the most millennial in the way she speaks and in her music, but also kind the worst at social media and being informed on news at the same time, its really interesting actually
 
That being said, it + her being rich and famous and surrounded by yes-men might be another reason for a friend who is a POC to like, avoid calling her out. I've had that white friend who like... definitely could be better about certain issues, but I just don't speak up to them because at the end of the day, its taxing for me and we arent *that* close anyway, like I dont think of us as best friends or friends for life or anything. Sincerely hope she has people like that in her life who can be like 'hey girl, this isn't okay and heres why' with total honesty. 
 
Anyway, I didn't really stan Lana as a person ever, mostly her music and her story and how its impacted my life personally, so this doesnt really affect me too much, but she's really pushing it. I don't need to stan her as a person, but I do kind need her to be the kind of person who isn't so awful that it makes me want to distance myself from her entirely for my own sake. I totally understand people who have already done that in this last year and who are going to do that in the future. Just hope I'm not one of them!

Well... She just can't not do it I guess.
 
I understand that she has severe trust issues and trauma regarding media and her narrative that makes her overly defensive, but it is absolutely puzzling to me how apparently no one of her friends of color in her inner circle havent sat her down and been like 'you know what you did was wrong right?' like what?
 
Anyway, incoming panned offensive full cancellation era shes just digging in. I get that she thinks this 'controversy' is unwarranted like the other ones, but its not the same thing and shes gonna learn that the hard way if her team or someone doesn't stop her.
 

I don't co-sign all of this, but I think it might just be complicated by her fame tbh. Idk anything about her friends really, and its not like all POC are woke etc, but you definitely have a point about like 'true' friendships and what not... at least thats been my experience as I've gotten into my twenties and re-evaluated my old friendships (for context, I am black)
Good friends DO want to educate you, especially when you are wrong. And Good Friends can be receptive to that kind of criticism. My problem with the QFTC reception as an onlooker (and one of the most likely unintended consequences of 'cancel culture') is just its efficacy on an individual level. There are people who say and do racist or sexist or problematic things that we can't forgive, and who are malicious and come from a bad place, and there are those who are ignorant - often painfully so, but believe they are coming from a good place. I think Lana is one of the latter, and even though she doubled down during the QFTC debacle about being misunderstood and made it about her, it just made me want her to realize she was wrong, rather than throw her away for being wrong about it. I knew she had friends of color (some were people even mentioned in the post) and while I don't expect all POC to be woke, educate everyone around them all the time mental labor etc., I was just kind of personally hoping she'd have this kind of backlash again but localized from people who actually know her 1 on 1, because she is very very distrusting of media reception, to an unhealthy amount for sure.
 
I don't think she fakes being woke though, I actually think she just doesn't think about that kind of thing at all in the first place and sees herself as a morally upstanding person, which then absolves her of having to think about things. It's privileged and narcissistic (ironically, the thing she says is tearing America/the world apart) but yeah, that's my take.
She's like the most millennial in the way she speaks and in her music, but also kind the worst at social media and being informed on news at the same time, its really interesting actually
 
That being said, it + her being rich and famous and surrounded by yes-men might be another reason for a friend who is a POC to like, avoid calling her out. I've had that white friend who like... definitely could be better about certain issues, but I just don't speak up to them because at the end of the day, its taxing for me and we arent *that* close anyway, like I dont think of us as best friends or friends for life or anything. Sincerely hope she has people like that in her life who can be like 'hey girl, this isn't okay and heres why' with total honesty. 
 
Anyway, I didn't really stan Lana as a person ever, mostly her music and her story and how its impacted my life personally, so this doesnt really affect me too much, but she's really pushing it. I don't need to stan her as a person, but I do kind need her to be the kind of person who isn't so awful that it makes me want to distance myself from her entirely for my own sake. I totally understand people who have already done that in this last year and who are going to do that in the future. Just hope I'm not one of them!

I am absolutely an SJW to some people but... this kind of thing (and some bits of her article) is so cringeworthy, even if this is just a joke. It would be fine if it was truly just a joke from a random on twitter, but when I read that article (reread it like 30 minutes ago) I could see how she could be serious about something like that... 

I am absolutely an SJW to some people but... this kind of thing (and some bits of her article) is so cringeworthy, even if this is just a joke. It would be fine if it was truly just a joke from a random on twitter, but when I read that article (reread it like 30 minutes ago) I could see how she could be serious about something like that... 

Well... She just can't not do it I guess.
 
I understand that she has severe trust issues and trauma regarding media and her narrative that makes her overly defensive, but it is absolutely puzzling to me how apparently no one of her friends of color in her inner circle havent sat her down and been like 'you know what you did was wrong right?' like what?
 
Anyway, incoming panned offensive full cancellation era shes just digging in. I get that she thinks this 'controversy' is unwarranted like the other ones, but its not the same thing and shes gonna learn that the hard way if her team or someone doesn't stop her.
 

I am absolutely an SJW to some people but... this kind of thing (and some bits of her article) is so cringeworthy, even if this is just a joke. It would be fine if it was truly just a joke from a random on twitter, but when I read that article (reread it like 30 minutes ago) I could see how she could be serious about something like that... 

I get that she wants to control her narrative or whatever but calling it “revenge” is so corny. Like a few bizarre criticisms doesn’t take away the fact that many critics had very valid criticisms. She needs to just step away from the spotlight and release music. Or don’t. But this lashing out act is so weird to me.

Lana’s “best friend” is Chuck when all is said and done. And Chuck is much more socially conscious, so I hope Chuck levels things with her. 
 
On her Instagram Live for the chemtrails promo, she mentioned that she made a lot of “personal strides” in the past year. She never reveals a lot so I’m hoping that these strides aren’t like her poetry book but also some introspection. In a way, if Lana stays in her lane of “white girl sad music,” it will be ok. 

Her exact words were:
". . . in the meantime I'm going to give you a digital record of American Standards and Classics for Christmas [2020]"
Link.
So I think what Ianadelrey is saying is that if it's written down it counts, but if it's spoken it doesn't.

Someone associating you with the Neo Nazi movement by media outlets over a tone deaf post would make anyone go crazy. Let's stop pretending that she doesn't have some right to be angry. 

Rock Candy Sweet tracklist:
Sheridan - My Hair Man
Annie Mac, Iman Sultan, and Alexis Petridis' Sideburns
Dealer
Stitched Flowers
Question for the Culture (featuring Tammy Wynette's ghost)
Fuck Harper's Bazaar
The Tour Stage Manager I Fired
Inclusion
Sputnik? More Like Suck My Dick
And I Want Revenge

What exactly is she seeking revenge for? People rightfully calling her out for her tone def/borderline racially insensitive posts? It just comes across as attention seeking. And she’s ruining her legacy. 

Annie Mac is going to go into retirement after she gets ended on RCS, the aoty. 

I don't co-sign all of this, but I think it might just be complicated by her fame tbh. Idk anything about her friends really, and its not like all POC are woke etc, but you definitely have a point about like 'true' friendships and what not... at least thats been my experience as I've gotten into my twenties and re-evaluated my old friendships (for context, I am black)
Good friends DO want to educate you, especially when you are wrong. And Good Friends can be receptive to that kind of criticism. My problem with the QFTC reception as an onlooker (and one of the most likely unintended consequences of 'cancel culture') is just its efficacy on an individual level. There are people who say and do racist or sexist or problematic things that we can't forgive, and who are malicious and come from a bad place, and there are those who are ignorant - often painfully so, but believe they are coming from a good place. I think Lana is one of the latter, and even though she doubled down during the QFTC debacle about being misunderstood and made it about her, it just made me want her to realize she was wrong, rather than throw her away for being wrong about it. I knew she had friends of color (some were people even mentioned in the post) and while I don't expect all POC to be woke, educate everyone around them all the time mental labor etc., I was just kind of personally hoping she'd have this kind of backlash again but localized from people who actually know her 1 on 1, because she is very very distrusting of media reception, to an unhealthy amount for sure.
 
I don't think she fakes being woke though, I actually think she just doesn't think about that kind of thing at all in the first place and sees herself as a morally upstanding person, which then absolves her of having to think about things. It's privileged and narcissistic (ironically, the thing she says is tearing America/the world apart) but yeah, that's my take.
She's like the most millennial in the way she speaks and in her music, but also kind the worst at social media and being informed on news at the same time, its really interesting actually
 
That being said, it + her being rich and famous and surrounded by yes-men might be another reason for a friend who is a POC to like, avoid calling her out. I've had that white friend who like... definitely could be better about certain issues, but I just don't speak up to them because at the end of the day, its taxing for me and we arent *that* close anyway, like I dont think of us as best friends or friends for life or anything. Sincerely hope she has people like that in her life who can be like 'hey girl, this isn't okay and heres why' with total honesty. 
 
Anyway, I didn't really stan Lana as a person ever, mostly her music and her story and how its impacted my life personally, so this doesnt really affect me too much, but she's really pushing it. I don't need to stan her as a person, but I do kind need her to be the kind of person who isn't so awful that it makes me want to distance myself from her entirely for my own sake. I totally understand people who have already done that in this last year and who are going to do that in the future. Just hope I'm not one of them!

I don't co-sign all of this, but I think it might just be complicated by her fame tbh. Idk anything about her friends really, and its not like all POC are woke etc, but you definitely have a point about like 'true' friendships and what not... at least thats been my experience as I've gotten into my twenties and re-evaluated my old friendships (for context, I am black)
Good friends DO want to educate you, especially when you are wrong. And Good Friends can be receptive to that kind of criticism. My problem with the QFTC reception as an onlooker (and one of the most likely unintended consequences of 'cancel culture') is just its efficacy on an individual level. There are people who say and do racist or sexist or problematic things that we can't forgive, and who are malicious and come from a bad place, and there are those who are ignorant - often painfully so, but believe they are coming from a good place. I think Lana is one of the latter, and even though she doubled down during the QFTC debacle about being misunderstood and made it about her, it just made me want her to realize she was wrong, rather than throw her away for being wrong about it. I knew she had friends of color (some were people even mentioned in the post) and while I don't expect all POC to be woke, educate everyone around them all the time mental labor etc., I was just kind of personally hoping she'd have this kind of backlash again but localized from people who actually know her 1 on 1, because she is very very distrusting of media reception, to an unhealthy amount for sure.
 
I don't think she fakes being woke though, I actually think she just doesn't think about that kind of thing at all in the first place and sees herself as a morally upstanding person, which then absolves her of having to think about things. It's privileged and narcissistic (ironically, the thing she says is tearing America/the world apart) but yeah, that's my take.
She's like the most millennial in the way she speaks and in her music, but also kind the worst at social media and being informed on news at the same time, its really interesting actually
 
That being said, it + her being rich and famous and surrounded by yes-men might be another reason for a friend who is a POC to like, avoid calling her out. I've had that white friend who like... definitely could be better about certain issues, but I just don't speak up to them because at the end of the day, its taxing for me and we arent *that* close anyway, like I dont think of us as best friends or friends for life or anything. Sincerely hope she has people like that in her life who can be like 'hey girl, this isn't okay and heres why' with total honesty. 
 
Anyway, I didn't really stan Lana as a person ever, mostly her music and her story and how its impacted my life personally, so this doesnt really affect me too much, but she's really pushing it. I don't need to stan her as a person, but I do kind need her to be the kind of person who isn't so awful that it makes me want to distance myself from her entirely for my own sake. I totally understand people who have already done that in this last year and who are going to do that in the future. Just hope I'm not one of them!

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/art-books-music/a35311661/lana-del-rey-appropriation/
This is the article she was referencing. I seriously think she has some stability issues. She just released her record and now she puts this post out. I don't know it is so unfortunate to me. She has been very famous for a long time now. I am not saying it's easy but her public outbursts due to her hyper sensitivity may not end well. I feel bad. I genuinely hope she gets some help.

Because they're obviously not real friends. They're her token nonwhite friends. All my extremely close friends, and I've seen this in other multiracial friend groups, talk about race and all that shit very freely. True friendship gives an extremely comfortable amount of freedom that would be horrifyingly uncomfortable for 3rd parties unaccustomed to it who witness it. (idk how to phrase this properly) Good friends want to educate you but in a very shitposty 'i love you but you're dumb as shit' way. I can't explain it. I shitpost racial tropes with my friends all the time. Taking the piss out of life while letting your friends know backhandedly you're aware of the particular racism they face.
I think Lana is that one white friend we've all had that feigns this fake wokeness so they seem 'sensitive' and 'compassionate'  but you wouldn't trust the bitch when the revolution came. But most woke women do this, they're somehow always dating the type of person they proclaim to hate. 'I hate straight white men' but their bf is the straightest whitest man you've ever seen in your life on top of having the matching personality.
Back in 2012, did she not have any friends that were like 'Lana, you can't play dress-up with Native American clothing because you painted houses one time at a reservation.' And donating money to them doesn't change anything. White people are always paying folk to let them be racist towards them lmao. 'I'll give you thousands of dollars, let me call you the n word in my funny skit or my pretentious film.' I guess it's better than just racism huh.
(Bonus: her 'im not racist, my best friends are rappers' has the same energy as Biden's 'poor kids are just as smart as white kids' Why are they like this lol)
I love Lana's music but boy, is she unbelievably mediocre as a person. Being average is fine but she's convinced she's running with the wolves. ?

Her team or someone very close to her really needs to level with her about this, cause its not cute and It seems like there are too many people in her circle who are just like 'you did nothing wrong they're crazy, keep doing you sis!'
 
Like, her intentions aren't bad, and she knows that and people around her know that, but its totally fine to be like, I can see where I messed up etc... Kind of a basic life skill really, though one clearly thats been widdled away in her case.