Norman Fucking Rockwell - Post-Release Discussion Thread + Poll

[SparkleJumpropeNoose 8,750]

it's crazy to me that when i first heard the album cinnamon girl was my absolute fave on there, now i usually forget it exists lmaooooooo

i never cared for it, there was some point where i did actually like it a fair amount but like im back to being very indifferent to it

[Chestnut Fox Sexy Jesus 3,026]

This kind of thinking is so dumb. NFR is a great album. Yes. But it is in no way better than HM, UV, BTD. And if you want to come with "BuT ThE CrItIcS"!!!!!!

Well guess what, critics are biased as fuck and echo each other in a big way, it's more about the public perception of the artist than the music itself. If they actually evaluated the music itself, BTD would not have received all the criticism it did. But they dragged her for "being inauthentic and having fake lips". Because that is what many inept critics focus on. Now as time passed and Lana proved herself by continuing to not make commercial music and being relatively non-controversial, the critics are actually open to praising her because she is seen as an artist, rather than a corporate money making machine. But it is not primarily about the music. It's about their opinon of her public image. Beyonce is another great example of this. You think anyone would care about Lemonade? No, but because it was released by her, suddenly it's this god-like work in the critics eyes.

 

 

I SO agree with you on this. I do like NFR a lot but you can totally see how biased the critics reviews are. I mentioned this before about that Rantano YouTuber that everyone seemed to be over the moon about when he gave NFR a high score whereas he had been shitting on Lana’s work for ages because of her image and I will never stop believing that a big part of the truth is that this is a relatively non-controversy record where Lana has settled in an image that mostly everyone can be comfortable with.

[Jared 3,132]

I might be the minority here, but it’s almost a perfect 10 to me.

 

Being in the minority here (on board where people think Hope is A Dangerous Thing...is a horrible song and Born To Die is a better album than NFR) means you're sane.

 

Congrats!

 

[ArtDecoDelRey 15,284]

Being in the minority here (on board where people think Hope is A Dangerous Thing...is a horrible song and Born To Die is a better album than NFR) means you're sane.

 

Congrats!

 

a king who makes offhand comments about mental health! Mods, BAN HA

[Pico Ocean Boulevard 41,458]

Being in the minority here (on board where people think Hope is A Dangerous Thing...is a horrible song and Born To Die is a better album than NFR) means you're sane.

 

Congrats!

 

I really like the new record and don't want to be rude against Jack Antonoff but everytime I see  a picture of him  I think that he  has autismn and i don't know why

[FallingCherry 7,731]

Geez, the turn this thread took in a month :/

I guess I don’t have your ear, but I don’t hear how « poor » the production is. I mean, the emotions of the songs are just so spectacular to me that I don’t even hear all the flaws you’ve noticed. NFR has all the best elements from all her previous records while still being it’s own thing. It also has some of the best lyrics and storytelling she has ever done. I might be the minority here, but it’s almost a perfect 10 to me.

Basically, people will say shit about flaws that were intentional, make it the reason why they don't like NFR, and will use that to trash Jack at the same time.

But what they didn't get is that it's Lana's fault if there are flaws, not Jack's, because she's the one giving directions for the production

And yeah, I completely agree with you. Almost a perfect 10. This record is so raw but that's what makes it perfect.

[Creyk 11,741]

I really like the new record and don't want to be rude against Jack Antonoff but everytime I see  a picture of him  I think that he  has autismn and i don't know why

Well people certainly don't like him for his looks that's for sure. At least he can play the piano well I guess.

[Pico Ocean Boulevard 41,458]

Well people certainly don't like him for his looks that's for sure. At least he can play the piano well I guess.

Well people certainly don't like him for his looks that's for sure. At least he can play the piano well I guess.

I have nothing against him and he is not bad producer. But this thought come always in mind and I can't nothing so against that lmfao

[trailer park 249]

the part from 6:05 onwards in venice bitch is just sublime, transcendent 

[ParadiseFreak 676]

Born To Die - 7.5/10

Paradise - 9/10

Ultraviolence - 9/10

Honeymoon - 9/10

Lust For Life - 6/10

Norman Fucking Rockwell! - 5/10

[SweetHenny 14,579]

I didn't know that this was a Pitchfork Critic Training Thread

[Jared 3,132]

The Grammys usually have all AOTY nominees perform at the show. If Lana gets in, I wonder if she'll be able to opt out? 

 

What are the easiest (and most appropriate) NFR songs for her to perform when under the big pressure? I can only think of two: How To Disappear and Mariners Apartment Complex.

[Creyk 11,741]

The Grammys usually have all AOTY nominees perform at the show. If Lana gets in, I wonder if she'll be able to opt out? 

 

What are the easiest (and most appropriate) NFR songs for her to perform when under the big pressure? I can only think of two: How To Disappear and Mariners Apartment Complex.

I think she would sing the title track. She really seems to like it and it represents the album well.

[Jared 3,132]

I think she would sing the title track. She really seems to like it and it represents the album well.

 

Would be the most epic performance ever, but maybe a little too explicit for their audience? But then again, if Jay Z and Beyonce can perform Drunk in Love...

[SparkleJumpropeNoose 8,750]

ive recently revived my nfr song ranking

 

   

 

[West Coast 45,897]

I honestly cannot with the person that said that both Dan Auerbach and Rick Ruben are washed up like...

 

They might be washed up to you, but at least they don't put (alleged) amateur-ish mistakes/flaws make the final cut to add so call "charm" to a track (or to a certain extent: a whole album).

 

The audacity!

[California Sun 547]

Unpopular onion: NFR, MAC, VB, Love song, Cinnamon girl, and Happiness should have been released as their own EP and the remaining 8 tracks (along with Roses Bloom for You, the Shangri-Las esque songs she scrapped, the two folks songs she performed w Jack, and perhaps a couple more songs that came out of the same sessions as California) should have been released as their own album. If this had occurred though, I would still be fully expecting Yosemite and Looking for America to be on White Hot Forever

[lustforlife 19,008]

i want jack producing my ass

[SparkleJumpropeNoose 8,750]

Unpopular onion: NFR, MAC, VB, Love song, Cinnamon girl, and Happiness should have been released as their own EP and the remaining 8 tracks (along with Roses Bloom for You, the Shangri-Las esque songs she scrapped, the two folks songs she performed w Jack, and perhaps a couple more songs that came out of the same sessions as California) should have been released as their own album. If this had occurred though, I would still be fully expecting Yosemite and Looking for America to be on White Hot Forever

wasnt this post nfr

[California Sun 547]

wasnt this post nfr

 

not sure but I think she did an interview where someone asked her what was scrapped from NFR and she mentioned a couple (?) "big" Shangri-Las sounding songs that she left off bc they didn't fit iirc