Random Lana Discussion Thread

[Crimson and Clover 22,505]

2 hours ago, NikoGo said:

I highly disagree

 

 LFL haters/Norman lovers (who are usually the same group) are the most insufferable to me

I love both cause guess what? I’m vers  NFR will always be the best sequel to LFL, which contains her most underrated song in her entire discography God Bless America  (really though, LFL is just such a fond album for me, I loved that era so so so much)

[NikoGo 60,799]

4 minutes ago, Crimson and Clover said:

I love both cause guess what? I’m vers  NFR will always be the best sequel to LFL, which contains her most underrated song in her entire discography God Bless America  (really though, LFL is just such a fond album for me, I loved that era so so so much)

Lust For Life will forever be my favorite album, but I can still accept the flaws with it. COTCC is also another favorite of mine, and I can also see the flaws with it.

The difference I’ve found is (typically, obviously not every single one of them!) most Norman fans won’t accept anything less than Norman being her absolute best and refuse to acknowledge any flaws/valid complaints against the album.

 

I’ve never been one to say one album is ‘objectively her best’ since it’s all matter of opinion, but (again, some, not all!) NFR lovers are the FIRST to tell you how wrong your opinion is if you don’t place it on the golden seat. 

 

[DCooper 36,916]

People who hate on any Lana album are equally annoying. It's fine to have preferences and think that one album is better than another, but to actively hate on any of them or think they're bad just means you lack taste  

 

They are all gorgeous works of art in their own right 

[Crimson and Clover 22,505]

1 hour ago, NikoGo said:

Lust For Life will forever be my favorite album, but I can still accept the flaws with it. COTCC is also another favorite of mine, and I can also see the flaws with it.

The difference I’ve found is (typically, obviously not every single one of them!) most Norman fans won’t accept anything less than Norman being her absolute best and refuse to acknowledge any flaws/valid complaints against the album.

 

I’ve never been one to say one album is ‘objectively her best’ since it’s all matter of opinion, but (again, some, not all!) NFR lovers are the FIRST to tell you how wrong your opinion is if you don’t place it on the golden seat. 

 

Yeah, unfortunately her fandom seems to attract lots of tóxicas that have made me feel a bit alienated, but I also think I’m just getting older lol. I typically don’t like fans who hyperfixate on any album/producer of hers and put down others for what they like, it’s such juvenile behavior. 

[plastiscguy 63,437]

Blue Banisters defenders are the worst, cause they'll downgrade every other thing Lana has ever done to defend that abomination of an "album" 

[Veinsineon 76,800]

5 hours ago, NikoGo said:

I highly disagree

 

 LFL haters/Norman lovers (who are usually the same group) are the most insufferable to me

and if i said these were both good albums, but some of least impressive in Lana's catalogue 

 

 

 

since you might be wondering now, Veins, whats your take?
Well here you go 

Spoiler

1. ULTRAVIOLENCE
2. HONEYMOON
3. CHEMTRAILS OVER THE COUNTRY CLUB
4. PARADISE
5. DID YOU KNOW THERE'S A TUNNEL UNDER OCEAN BOULEVARD
6. BORN TO DIE
7. NORMAN FUCKING ROCKWELL
8. BLUE BANISTERS
9. LUST FOR LIFE

 

i am willing to provide rebuttals and defenses for my take as well  i implore you, clock away!

 

[ultrabanisters 45,019]

1 hour ago, plastiscguy said:

Blue Banisters defenders are the worst, cause they'll downgrade every other thing Lana has ever done to defend that abomination of an "album" 

the main gripe people have with this album and the reason they see it as inferior is plainly due to the fact it includes previously heard songs. if we had not had them previously people wouldn't even comment on the whole youtube rip thing

 

i approached the album with the mindset of 'i was not supposed to hear those songs so this technically should all be new to me', and that is why i appreciate it so much tbh. it’s a great album once you get past the fact we has 60% of it already

[Morningcrow 3,673]

5 minutes ago, ultrabanisters said:

the main gripe people have with this album and the reason they see it as inferior is plainly due to the fact it includes previously heard songs. if we had not had them previously people wouldn't even comment on the whole youtube rip thing

 

i approached the album with the mindset of 'i was not supposed to hear those songs so this technically should all be new to me', and that is why i appreciate it so much tbh. it’s a great album once you get past the fact we has 60% of it already

 

Same, i don't stress that stuff. I kind of look at it like a "unreleased/b-side" collection and love it for what it is. I like all the songs, maybe Dealer a little less though .....and secretly hope it gets re-recorded some day to fix what could have been better.

[NikoGo 60,799]

17 minutes ago, ultrabanisters said:

the main gripe people have with this album and the reason they see it as inferior is plainly due to the fact it includes previously heard songs. if we had not had them previously people wouldn't even comment on the whole youtube rip thing

 

i approached the album with the mindset of 'i was not supposed to hear those songs so this technically should all be new to me', and that is why i appreciate it so much tbh. it’s a great album once you get past the fact we has 60% of it already

I mean admittedly that is my biggest gripe with the album, and I can’t look past it. It physically hurts me that one of my all time favorite songs (NOTG) was reduced to a YouTube rip album track. I do think it’s a fair argument for people to complain about the songs being literal YouTube rips. 
 

But it goes deeper than that for me, because the lossless files for the songs are out there, and she didn’t even use the better version of Cherry Blossom. Then, to add insult to injury, Thunder gets reworked to fit on the album, while both NOTG and CB don’t even have the right credits in the booklet. 

(Add on the fact that she originally was going to put I Can Fly (which isn’t even a leaked song) and Fine China’s final version.)

 

also, not that I’m a huge cohesion snob, but the album doesn’t flow at all. Trio into BBS, Vfr into Dealer, WFWF into NOTG. Like yeah she’s had albums that had ‘off’ moments before, but BB is one big ‘IDK what I’m doing’ mess. It’s clear her vision kept changing, since the album went from “I want revenge” to “telling my story” but even the telling my story narrative makes no sense because she said that the first the singles were the ‘start’ of her story; but the title track was quite literally the present day of her story. 
 

Blue Banisters does have some decent moments, but she was really close to losing me, and I’m forever thankful for Tunnel for proving that the Lana I love is still in there. 

[Coloringbooks 14,012]

14 hours ago, bluechemtrails said:

I'd say the users of aoty.org have pretty good taste for the most part. Things that are highly rated there tend to still sound good and unique years later.

I have to disagree. Most of the people on these websites and similar forums/sides of Twitter don't have thoughts or a music taste of their own, they just hype up and base their opinions on whatever is (un)popular in that community/critically acclaimed. It's a glorified circlejerk. 

[bluechemtrails 26,734]

Can we agree that there's no bad Lana album? I like more songs on each of her albums than on most albums by other artists, even the highly acclaimed ones.

[bluechemtrails 26,734]

18 minutes ago, Coloringbooks said:

I have to disagree. Most of the people on these websites and similar forums/sides of Twitter don't have thoughts or a music taste of their own, they just hype up and base their opinions on whatever is (un)popular in that community/critically acclaimed. It's a glorified circlejerk. 

But Lana is one of their highest rated female artists (especially if you look at the rating of individual album songs), so they must have some taste.

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[ultrabanisters 45,019]

14 hours ago, NikoGo said:

I mean admittedly that is my biggest gripe with the album, and I can’t look past it. It physically hurts me that one of my all time favorite songs (NOTG) was reduced to a YouTube rip album track. I do think it’s a fair argument for people to complain about the songs being literal YouTube rips. 
 

But it goes deeper than that for me, because the lossless files for the songs are out there, and she didn’t even use the better version of Cherry Blossom. Then, to add insult to injury, Thunder gets reworked to fit on the album, while both NOTG and CB don’t even have the right credits in the booklet. 

(Add on the fact that she originally was going to put I Can Fly (which isn’t even a leaked song) and Fine China’s final version.)

 

also, not that I’m a huge cohesion snob, but the album doesn’t flow at all. Trio into BBS, Vfr into Dealer, WFWF into NOTG. Like yeah she’s had albums that had ‘off’ moments before, but BB is one big ‘IDK what I’m doing’ mess. It’s clear her vision kept changing, since the album went from “I want revenge” to “telling my story” but even the telling my story narrative makes no sense because she said that the first the singles were the ‘start’ of her story; but the title track was quite literally the present day of her story. 
 

Blue Banisters does have some decent moments, but she was really close to losing me, and I’m forever thankful for Tunnel for proving that the Lana I love is still in there. 

i think it boils down (for me atleast) to the fact that we weren't supposed to have those songs anyway, so in my mind the youtube rip argument becomes redundant as soon as i remember the fact those tracks were leaked

[Eugene 26,669]

[Eugene 26,669]

Love has even soured on Lana Del Rey, whom she once called one of the only “two true musical geniuses” next to her late husband Kurt Cobain: “I haven’t liked Lana since she covered a John Denver song, and I think she should really take seven years off. Up until ‘Take Me Home Country Roads’ I thought she was great.”

 

https://consequence.net/2024/04/courtney-love-taylor-swift-not-important/

 

[Morningcrow 3,673]

1 minute ago, Orville Peck said:

Love has even soured on Lana Del Rey, whom she once called one of the only “two true musical geniuses” next to her late husband Kurt Cobain: “I haven’t liked Lana since she covered a John Denver song, and I think she should really take seven years off. Up until ‘Take Me Home Country Roads’ I thought she was great.”

 

https://consequence.net/2024/04/courtney-love-taylor-swift-not-important/

 

 

wth

[Lana Del Dufrene 10,707]

9 minutes ago, Morningcrow said:

 

wth

I won’t not fuck Courtney love the fuck up. Period 

[taco truck 32,991]

18 minutes ago, Orville Peck said:

Love has even soured on Lana Del Rey, whom she once called one of the only “two true musical geniuses” next to her late husband Kurt Cobain: “I haven’t liked Lana since she covered a John Denver song, and I think she should really take seven years off. Up until ‘Take Me Home Country Roads’ I thought she was great.”

 

https://consequence.net/2024/04/courtney-love-taylor-swift-not-important/

 

Courtney is so fucking annoying I know Lana probably sees her as an idol but I wish she would stop giving this racist bitter old lady the time of day 

[Morningcrow 3,673]

20 minutes ago, Orville Peck said:

Love has even soured on Lana Del Rey, whom she once called one of the only “two true musical geniuses” next to her late husband Kurt Cobain: “I haven’t liked Lana since she covered a John Denver song, and I think she should really take seven years off. Up until ‘Take Me Home Country Roads’ I thought she was great.”

 

https://consequence.net/2024/04/courtney-love-taylor-swift-not-important/

 

 

 

I haven’t liked Courtney since she covered a Brittany song, and I think she should really take seven years off. Up until ‘Lucky’ I thought she was at least "Ok".