Noel

Also I really do think Lana only listed all those women due to them being in the charts right now with new releases, and I’m sure she supports the majority however her entire post reads like her being an upset toddler seeing other women succeed without getting as much flack as she did 8-9 years ago. Maybe move on and seek some therapy if you’re still this bothered almost a decade later.

the reach...it's okay to say that she fucked up. 

Microaggressions are a real thing. Racism isn't always overt and large. The smaller, more subtle ways of it do matter and have an impact. And it's most often not even known by the person perpetuating it. I don't think she was aware of intricacies behind what she was saying. And all of those women have absolutely caught flack for singing about sex.

She could have said everything without name dropping, it’s just that simple.

lana stans on twitter rn:
 

You can still end up being racist without intent to be racist, and I think that's the point here. No one is saying Lana is a racist or a bigot or has intent to be evil or insulting. But what she said was tone deaf and ignorant. Black women have suffered a lot of critcism in the arts and have had to fight hard for their place.... they deserve their attention and #1 hits. I always say you don't have to bring others down to raise another person up. Her post is also full of many great points. I think she could have gotten her message across in a more clear and concise way without dropping a single name. It's a complex statement full of good and bad. We can disagree and call her out on the not so good parts, while still agreeing with her on other things.
 
Considering she's friends with Ariana, I doubt she even meant to be insulting, but she's still wrong for having dropped those names in the way she did. On the flipside, she has a point in the media's reaction and how people have interpreted her music. And there is no doubt she's been an absolute trendsetter for alternative music and paved the way for artists that now sing dark & "depressing" songs as well.

Honeymoon - Lana Del Rey
 
We could cruise to the blues
Wilshire Boulevard, if we CHOOSE
Or whatever you wanna do
We make the RULES
 
 
DAN AUERBACH replied to Lana's Honeymoon track in the song below :
 
Get Yourself Together - The Black Keys
 
And I'll do, I'll do whatever you do
You can CHOOSE, make up all the RULES
 
Lana actually wrote Honeymoon about Dan Auerbach. They were involved in a hot and heavy affair which was hidden from the world. The Italian spaghetti was a distraction from the real affair that was going on Behind The Scenes
 
God please reunite these 2 musical geniuses and bless us with ULTRAVIOLENCE II

serial killer is a mess

But WHEN will we start debating the symbolism of lemons vs oranges and WHEN will the 10+ pgs of discussion get moved to another topic?

But WHEN will we start debating the symbolism of lemons vs oranges and WHEN will the 10+ pgs of discussion get moved to another topic?

clearly oranges since lemons have nipples 
 

Don't delay, vote today!
 
http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/11446-are-they-oranges-or-lemons/

Something something lemons are bitter oranges are sweet and maybe she's moving to orange county instead of LA-

But WHEN will we start debating the symbolism of lemons vs oranges and WHEN will the 10+ pgs of discussion get moved to another topic?

She deadass put a warm filter on it to make it look more orange, I'm sobbing
 

 
But they still look like lemons, Lanz

wow you have no idea what youre talking about lol.  i wrote about how it's ignorant for Lana to continually reference native american issues without actually addressing them directly, accurately, or adequately, particularly as a rich celebrity with a massive platform that has the potential to impact the larger culture.  that's far from being "offended" about it.  where did i say "she's not allowed to use these words bc they hurt my feelings!!!!"? lol.  we can all say and do whatever we want.  that's just reality.  so just as Lana can write shitty poetry with ill-conceived metaphors, i can call out why it's ignorant and share my bit about it.  or are you triggered by coming across my opinion and would rather shut me up?
 
you're wrong, btw, about all human populations being colonized, which you'd maybe have seen, if youd actually looked into what i said in my post instead of just acting like you know everything.  there are existing indigenous people who have never been colonized and are currently under attack.  that's the whole point of what i was saying ab indigeneous tribes in the amazon threatened by bolsonaro, the wet'suwet'en people resisting current domination by the canadian govt, etc.  even completely un-contacted tribes still exist.  Colonization is still happening, and indigenous people still exist.  Do you just not know what the word means, so it's easier for you to pretend you do than actually educate yourself?
 
your argument is especially stupid and cruel, even if you weren't completely wrong, bc you just consign yourself and the world to domination by imperialists.  "colonization has happened a bunch of places, so lets all just go along with it"... wtf.  people are still, currently, resisting these systems, fighting back, and fighting to decolonize where it's already taken over.  like actually educate yourself. dont take it from me - listen to indigenous people.  that is, if youre not so prejudiced that you dismiss out of hand any perspective that doesnt confirm and validate your shitty biases.  idk where youre from, but Lana and I live on Turtle Island, where the violent history of colonization still affects the culture and people today.  it's an important issue that deserves a full analysis.  i'd rather align myself with people currently fighting against neocolonialism, and fighting to decolonize, than the rich and ignorant who just want to control everything and subjugate everyone else.
 
which brings me to what we can agree on, which is actually that there probably isn't that much impact.  mostly because Lana is quickly making herself pretty fucking irrelevant to any larger cultural conversation.  and Lanaboards is like a fart in the abyss, so it's not like my words here will have any impact.  i just find it so disappointing that people like Lana, and apparently you, can come so close to actually grappling with the reality of this issue and end up still turning away from gathering any real knowledge about it.  Lana has the platform and potential to make an impact on our world, and she doesn't do shit.  that's her prerogative, but it's my right to say that fucking sucks.  stay prejudiced and ignorant, i guess

ok wait. Justice for SoC. those violins, and that bridge alone

Imagine the shit storm if she's seen gallivanting around LA with the baddies/Seany before she says anything on social media about this cancellation.

i dont see any harm in just addressing it lmfao. i mean you cancel a whole tour leg right before its about to begin, people were on planes, in airports, at their hotels already, some even on line. i am NOT mad at her for being sick and cancelling, that is beyond her control, but to still not address, or at least have ur management say something... odd but not unusual for her to leave things unaddressed but i obviously assume she will say something soon... just weird to let it go a day unannounced

you're a terrorist what you do is terrorism

This thread is lit and if this is it, I had a ball
I guess that Elle's not locking it after all  

I miss her long hair and I miss you, Barrie
I miss her good music the most of all
I miss Dan's studio in Tennessee where she would go
Barrie's last stop before he went home

So are her girlies gonna be slut-dropping to Bartender or can they let Lana have the stage for the whole show for once?

I think what sets AKA apart, is that unlike on all of her post BTD albums, she does not pretend to be rich or to have a glamorous life. The themes of everyday struggles and living a small life (what she probably experienced while being in the trailer park writing this record) are present. It is shown she struggles with money (Pawn Shop Blues, having a wedding dress that only cost 50 bucks, needing the help of older men to "make it", having fun in sleazy bars and gas stations instead of actual clubs). She is looking for things not yet achieved so there is a sense of hope as you said (particularly on Jump) and yet even in her life full of struggle, she has a sense of fun and wonder (Mermaid Motel, Queen of the Gas Station). There is also the more universal theme of relying on family for comfort on Gramma that is never present again in her music except for 2 lines in Ride. These are the kind of lyrics that are more close to the everyday life of a lot of people and that makes the whole thing feel more grounded and like it's a reflection of the real plain her, not the glamorous desperate queen she seems to be on songs like Dark Paradise and Summertime Sadness.
 
And then what brings this whole thing home is that you can feel that she is ALONE on Oh Say Can You See, she is walking home alone in the dark looking at the lights created by cars and for some reason she finds that beautiful....there is a separation between her and other people that shows up in her later works too (Old Money verses, God Knows I Tried, 13 beaches) which is an essential ingredient of that sadcore feel all of us love her so much for. So with all of that you are right, AKA sets such a different, subdued mood I don't know another record with this feeling in it. And that is why it's magical.