lemonadetan

If you are talking about NFR (track), I'm absolutely sure Valley of the Dolls was some kind of demo to it. The chords are nearly the same and so is the melody.

yes i remember shortly after nfr she said she started working on "white hot forever" that turned out to become COCC, so i'd say TJF is probably the first song made specifically for COCC.

I think she should consider sending emails like Lorde; she could tell us what she wants to and then go live her life
Clearly she doesn't feel she can get the balance she wants with socials 

Added COTCC to the thread!
Honeymouns said that Lana sent Valley To The Dolls to Jack or something.

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yes i remember shortly after nfr she said she started working on "white hot forever" that turned out to become COCC, so i'd say TJF is probably the first song made specifically for COCC.

I think she started writing for Chemtrails and had songs like Chemtrails, TJF, and White Dress in 2019 because already had a concept forming and mentioned White Hot Forever as the title. If I’m not mistaken, it was after QFTC she kinda gave up on making new songs and just started reworking old stuff, I’m not sure about the timeline of Norman to Chemtrails, then stuffing Chemtrails with outtakes 

there's likely a demo called white hot forever that has the "white hot forever" parts of tulsa jesus freak that was reworked into the latter after meeting sean but we have no indication that there's an early version of not all who wander are lost that was also reworked after meeting sean. it is possible, i'm not denying that, but we have nothing to go off of except somwthing an "insider" said and i take everything thwy say with a grain of salt since half the timw they contradict what lana and her collaborators say. personally the only cotcc songs that were likely put together in their current form during the nfr sessions are let me love you like a woman, wild at heart & dark but just a game. but i do think its possible some hooks and choruses of other songs were worked on during the norman sessions but weren't fully formed til during/after the norman tour which begs the question: how much of a song has to be put together for it to be considered an actual outtake and not just a concept?

i think honeymouns confirmed not all who wander are lost is from nfr

I think that Lana is just cringing when she looks back at the Born To Die era (like when she mocked her Million Dollar Man performance in Banisters release's livestream). I don't really think she hates Emile's production that much.
 
Although what I have noticed that in BTD era performances (like Born To Die's performance in BBC Radio 1 Live Lounge and Radio's performance at The Scala Club), her band used the demo versions of those songs.

i think honeymouns confirmed not all who wander are lost is from nfr

idk if this is an unpopular opinion but i always thought the trailer suited the album quite well. i don't think there was ever truly an original "witchy" version of the album. yeah the album went thru lots of thematic and sonic changes but i feel like the trailer represented the album as it came to be. as you mwntioned, the collabs were already hinted at and the monologue did correspond to the album perfectly. and the aesthetic of the trailer just seemed like a stylistic choice that didn't have to be a straightforward representation of the album but then it also did have a bit of that mix of futuristic and retro that the album does have. and like her being a witch or otherworldly spirit living in the hollywood sign watching over everyone in a mystical but motherly manner kind of does work into the album's perspective as a whole.

She said she wrote it after two mass shootings and recorded on August 5 2019
 
"Hi folks came back early from Montecito with my brother this morning and asked Jack Antonoff to come into town because I had a song on my mind that I wanted to write. Now I know I’m not a politician and I’m not trying to be so excuse me for having an opinion- but in light of all of the mass shootings and the back to back shootings in the last couple of days which really affected me on a cellular level I just wanted to post this video that our engineer Laura took 20 minutes ago. I hope you like it. I’m singing love to the choruses I recorded this morning. I’m going to call it ‘Looking for America’"

Not that I have any proof or that she ever confirmed it, but I’ve always thought that Looking for America could have been a reworked « political outtake » from LFL… 

the lore for this album is so interesting… anyways LEAK THOSE OUTTAKES

Not really 😭 other than the fact that Rick Rubin produced a rock version of Body Electric while he was working on Ride 

i can see her doing that, i remember jack talking about how she could tell the difference between 44.1khz and 48khz in an interview once

is "get dark" its real name ?

girl had Poetry In Motion in her pocket when she put In My Feelings and Summer Bummer on the album and gave a lil smirk

The way she  & Rick created such an amazing body of work,  a literal masterpiece with perfect production in such a short amount of time is insane 
Omg and thank you so much for doing this timeline 

Lana songs aren't really that scary for me but if there's a song (and video) that has creepy vibes then it's probably the 2007 live version of Brite Lites. The loud horror-like guitar and the red low quality video makes it look like it's from the dark web which went viral in the late 2000s and people started making creepypastas of it.
Not gonna lie, I love it actually, even if the guitar sounds weird 
 

your opinion on honeymoon is more scary than every song mentioned in this thread combined 

We need to normalize people risking getting arrested for mass leaking songs again! Perhaps it'll come with a free Lana meet and greet where she confronts you for leaking her songs. Seems like a good deal to me idk... Give us the zip!

i think valley of the dolls was sent cause it sounds similar to nfr title track 

I thought VotD was self-recorded? It seems to pretty clearly be a laptop demo