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Personally, I feel like Lana during the earliest moments of her career was super glamourous. She had a team of stylists by her side, I suppose, but I think that she looked gorgeous nevertheless and feel like the glamour was there, and that some people might move towards that time because of it? Maybe I'm being too naïve. Lana is beautiful no matter what, that's obvious, and if we're here I guess we all think that? She was gorgeous when she was skinny and she's beautiful now, too. But I do feel like some people romanticize how depressed she was.

I don't have a problem with people only liking certain albums of her cause I understand how BTD (or any particular album) could be more accessible to the average listener or to people who like more upbeat music (it even happens with NFR, some snobs people say it's her only good album)... my issue is with people who are fans only of BTD-UV Lana the person, not the music... like if you only like skinny lowkey depressed Lana maybe you don't really like Lana 
 
Like it's kinda sad seeing these accounts post Lana news from 2022 using the same old 2012 photoshopped pictures that are totally unrelated to the topic but of course they can't use 36 year old Lana cause it's not aesthetic. Fuck them really 

Anyone obsessed with a certain era of a musician just because they were "skinny"/skinnier are not real fans and they're full of hate so we don't claim or accept them <3

This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
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What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 
 
Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  
 
On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
 
P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol. 

I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
 
Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
 
Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
 
In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
 
Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
 
Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
 
In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
 
Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
 
Next.
 
On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
 
According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
 

 
 
Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
 
Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
 
Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
 
Edited for links to sources!
 

Thanks. It seems like some things we will never know for sure. I'll keep sleuthing but I think I've exhausted all leads. Maybe I'll look more into Arthur Lynn and angiescreams. I wish he hadn't deleted his blog. Ugh. 
 
One more question. Is it safe to say that songs exclusively The Rich Whores tracks are "It's Not You, It's Just Me" and "Me & My Boyfriend"? I know "Me & My Boyfriend" is considered an outtake of aka by some because of the confirmed studio version. The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant/Lana Del Ray projects overlap... Hmmm. Frustrating. 
 
I found this in the Early Shows FAQ:
 "While she played a number of shows with the members of The Rich Whores/The Phenomena (a large portion of which comprised the line-up of angiescreams), the July 7, 2007 Cutting Room show was the only one billed as Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena, and only on their ReverbNation page. Every other show they played and every other reference to that show billed the band as Lizzy Grant. While a Jezebel Music write-up plugging her November 14, 2007 performance at Laila Lounge references "a full band, The Rich Whores", it does not appear the band shared billing."

This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
--
What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 
 
Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  
 
On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 
 
P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol. 

Thank you all for the love!

I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
 
Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
 
Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
 
In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
 
Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
 
Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
 
In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
 
Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
 
Next.
 
On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
 
According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
 

 
 
Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
 
Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
 
Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
 
Edited for links to sources!
 

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1. i actually don’t know  but i kinda feel like “the rich whores” came after? or maybe she used both of those names interchangeably? 
 
2. perhaps? there’s only like 1 difference but it’s common for bands to have their members change over time
 
3. this is also something i don’t know because i always knew them as “the rich whores” and i would honestly consider both bands one in the same
 
4. all five of those tracks seem to be from the same rehearsal, i don’t know what day those were recorded, if you sleuth around the forums you may find more information 
 
5. probably not
 
6. i would say, no, since the rich whores seem to be mid-2007 while this mixtape was created in early 2007 (january or february)

This 

I thought she finally had put a restraining order on Dat1guitarplayer, who also loves standing in front of her home and driving by it. 
 
I think it's time for Lana to move back to New York, buy a nice apartment in one of those luxurious buildings in Manhatten and have 24 hour 7 days a week doormen in front of the building. She would be a million times safer and nobody would be stepping foot or driving by her home. Her cars would also be well protected within the building's own parking lot. 
 
Too many people know where she lives. This Eric guy isn't the only creep creeping around her home. This isn't going to be the last time something like this happens. A piece of paper isn't exactly a sure way to keep a person away especially when they are nuts. 
 
She really needs to get out of LA. 
 
Edit: Where the hell was Tex and Mex in all this? They are German Shepards, which are known to be super protective of their humans. lol
 

Remember the guy that broke into her house because she kind of gave away where she lived after using her actual home for the High By the Beach video? 💀💀💀

Unfortunately, this is her second stalker of 2022 alone. She’s had countless over the years - some who have also trespassed her property and stolen her Jaguar. It’s so sad she has to repeatedly deal with this x 

He’s not even mid……gurl you’re down bad 

i-??? HUH????

I hate how Lana is always dealing with this kind of shit.

Help! I have several questions. Sorry!
 
Was Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena before The Rich Whores and do we have a date of when the transition happened? Was there a reason?
 
What is the difference? The ReverbNation page for Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena said, " Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar." When Lizzy's myspace url was therichwhores the band line-up was Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. Was the difference the band line-up?
 
Also, I've seen the July 9th, 2007 performance at The Cutting Room being confused as both a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performance and The Rich Whores performance. Per ReverbNation it was a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performance. Is there a separate performance date listed as being The Rich Whores performance people are talking about?
 
Where did the full length The Rich Whores rehearsal session recordings of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo” happen? Was it the same date and location as the snippets of “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” performed live with The Rich Whores? 
 
Does the studio version of "Me & My Boyfriend" that was produced by Kahne feature The Rich Whores or was it only Lana? 
 
Is The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape?
 
Thank you in advance!

loving how in 2022 producers are leaking the songs, not leakers… Chris Braide, Princess Superstar… It’s reverse Warholian. It’s ARTPOP. It’s making Marilyn the canvas. 

I will say, the only reasons why those 2 remixes of Hundred Dollar Bill and Diet Mtn Dew (I believe these are the only remixes with Kalae) didn’t release is because of what happened at Lana’s showcase at the Highline Ballroom. 

I was told so many people came up to see Lana, only to find out she was essentially “bad at singing live” & many turned their interest over to Kalae after the show - they never spoke to each other again. 

If those 2 remixes were to come out, I’m not so sure what Kalae would think about them - I mean, it would feel pretty shitty to be blamed for someone’s performance-gone-bad but… 💀

I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
 
Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
 
Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
 
In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
 
Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
 
Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
 
In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
 
Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
 
Next.
 
On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
 
According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
 

 
 
Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
 
Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
 
Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
 
Edited for links to sources!
 

I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 
 
Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.
 
Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 
 
In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 
 
Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”
 
Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”
 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784
 
In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.
 
Nevertheless, these things are for certain:
Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson. She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer. Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009  
In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 
 
Next.
 
On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934
http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432
 
According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”
 

 
 
Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110
 
Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”
 
Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.
https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810
She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 
http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281
 
Edited for links to sources!
 

Thank you all for the love!