never2heaven

Thank you. Exactly what I would have said.
 
No geofuckingpolitical goals justify the slaughter of 5,000 children. Israel needs to be trailed for crimes against humanity. And that's the bottom line and everything that matters.
 
And to limelight, "creating a human corridor" to banish an entire population into another country, as if that country (Egypt) belongs to them? Only sadistic lunatics would think this is acceptable.
 
Fyi the reason why Egypt doesn't want them is because they're poor af and can barely survive themselves.
 
Note: I was in Cairo only a month ago, and couldn't believe that some 17 M people live in those conditions. The influx of Palestinian would be an economic nail in the coffin to them.
 
So, no, this corridor isn't an option. And no, neither the appallingly sad history of Gaza, nor anyone's interest justify in any way what is happening over there right now.

I can't find the original but here's some sort of edit of it 
also in my search for that I have seen so many fishtail haters. fishtail is my fav song off ocean blvd and one of my fave songs ever. wtf 

i do believe lana has a soft spot for these kinds of songs, and i think it might be her team discouraging these kind of songs for whatever reason. i imagine the demos for fishtail would have been quite similar, and although it’s definitely a lot of hip hop trap influence you can grasp a lot of the ambience still in my opinion,
 
and when ocean blvd came out, i remember seeing a fan interaction on tiktok or twitter (lmk if u remember) where they told lana fishtail was their favourite song on the album and she said she was surprised and was under the impression that wouldn’t do well from her team. (i’m paraphrasing) does anyone remember this? could be fake i guess but idk.
 
it’s so sad because i love these songs and i hope they get their chance

sure, more people would have died, less people would have died however- if they were not doing that in the first instance. so for that reason, i don't find it relevant. they have murdered over 10000 people, people who are more than just a statistic. 
politics is corrupt, but should we expect people to simply comply, because it makes sense that in the pursuit of greed, somebody might eventually seek to eliminate an entire population in palestine? 
so despite any geopolitical reasoning, the war crimes committed are unjustifiable. they should be held accountable, and "free palestine" is to put pressure on unelected and elected politicians to be forced to hold israel accountable for their actions. it is not that shallow or simple, nobody ever said it would be.

hi, i think it’s easy to generalise these things as just “war” when we are desensitised. 10k death does not just “suck”- and israel is doing absolutely nothing to limit the number of deaths. this is a genocide on civilians, who are being blamed for the actions of hamas, and not hamas themselves unfortunately. this is not about getting the hostages, they are bombing the hostages, they don’t care. sure they care a little bit- but this is not at all their objective.
 
i think you are either intentionally or inadvertently consuming a lot of propaganda that made you think this way- i urge you to open your mind.

NFR lives rent free in Insta stans minds, like some of the NFR stans really should get over the AOTY loss - I read some of the comments there that like "if NFR didn't win any awards then Ocean Blvd has 0 chance of winning any of those nominations because NFR is a better album" or "Ocean Blvd is not good as NFR" or "NFR deserved more nominations" like wtf be finally happy for Lana, this like her greatest chance ever 
 
Like NFR is amazing and Lana obviously deserves those two awards but Ocean Blvd is amazing too and we should be happy that she got that many nominations!!!!!!!!

Omg imagine the songs starts zoomed into her face she sings the beginning line “I haven’t done a cartwheel since I was nine” then the camera zooms out and then she does a fucking cartwheel on the fucking stage 🤸‍♀️ omg 

If I Die Young is a Honeymoon outtake, recorded somewhere between January 2015 - June 2015

i get your point but its not been a long time since she made a song like that, she released blue banisters title track which plays in this kind of genre, the instrumental sounds absolutely ambient and dreamy

I remember this! I think it was Jen's sister? or related to her, but I think Lana replied something along the lines of her team telling her the last 4 weren't doing as well and like why do they give her bad direction I cannnnnttttttt

I can't find the original but here's some sort of edit of it 
also in my search for that I have seen so many fishtail haters. fishtail is my fav song off ocean blvd and one of my fave songs ever. wtf 

i do believe lana has a soft spot for these kinds of songs, and i think it might be her team discouraging these kind of songs for whatever reason. i imagine the demos for fishtail would have been quite similar, and although it’s definitely a lot of hip hop trap influence you can grasp a lot of the ambience still in my opinion,
 
and when ocean blvd came out, i remember seeing a fan interaction on tiktok or twitter (lmk if u remember) where they told lana fishtail was their favourite song on the album and she said she was surprised and was under the impression that wouldn’t do well from her team. (i’m paraphrasing) does anyone remember this? could be fake i guess but idk.
 
it’s so sad because i love these songs and i hope they get their chance

I'd like to see her change course, whatever we call the course she's on right now. I'd love to see her go 'full pop' for an album, like Meet Me in the Pale Moonlight, Ride, or Bel Air, not the half-hearted pop of 'Margaret,' with its needless chatter at the end, that only breaks the song up. Sometimes it is better to have a producer making a good deal of the decisions. look at what a great job Rick Rubin did on Ride. I miss the perfection of tracks like Wait for Life—certainly including the production. 
 
It's ironic, not iconic, for me that OB has received 3 Grammy nominations when it's such a scattershot effort, with a lot of poor production and though overall album cohesion doesn't matter a great deal to me, I see little on OB. Maybe the academy feels it's a sort of lifetime achievement nomination for Lana; I don't think those are fair. If an artist is considered for such an award, then let it be an outright 'Lifetime Achievement' award.
 
(Look at Joni Mitchell's crappy new 'Live At Newport' receiving a nomination because she's a legend and has had a hard last two decades. She only does what amount to backup vocals on most tracks, while younger singers take the lead.)
 
As far as the dreamy ballads go, it's hard to say, because everything since Honeymoon has been such a mishmash in terms of song styles and/or quality. We don't know if there's actual logic behind her final choices for an album or if it's done more like, "Well right now I feel this way, I just wrote and produced this song and I'm really excited about it." I tend to think the latter is closer to the truth. I don't think she's very objective about the choice of tracks she places on an album. It's a truism that most artists are poor judges of their own work, and I think that applies to Lana to some definite degree.
 
Since Tori Amos has had a long career in some ways similar to Lana's, and Tori was the artist I listened to the most before Lana and 2012, I know Amos constantly left her best material on the cutting room floor and instead placed often-cringy tracks on albums instead. The best material, which she would often discuss in media, al la 'Yosemite,' was either saved and released on a 'career retrospective' or other compilation project, or on the flip side of the release. As a result, these songs haven't entered broad American culture, are known by almost no one outside of the Amos Stan base, and will no doubt be swept away into the dustbin of history. Which is a shame. 
 
I think Lana will make a mature album, but certainly not necessarily a commercial one, when she takes her time to make and think an album through, limits her advisors, and sticks to some kind of conception of what she wants the result to be. The general public may not want an album of dreamy ballads, but her Stans do, I think (as opposed to tepid piano ballads). Things do change midway, plans and conceptions change, but maybe if she really takes her time before she starts recording, she can stick to some sort of a schedule or overall conception and the result won't be a compromise. I don't see Lana as an album artist because of the poor choices or compromises she has sometimes made lately. 
 
I am thrilled it's been such a big year for her. That she deserves. 

Yep. It's all about the territory, natural gas, and future trade corridors. There's a lot of money in Palestine for Israel and their allies to share. Billions.
 
It has nothing to do with religion, the "promised land" or Israel claiming what's theirs, nor their "right to self defence". It's just white colonialism all over. Oil is lower in supplies, and natural gas is the new oil. What they can unearth in Gaza could last humanity for another 125 years. Natural gas is also more environmentally friendly so this ticks a lot of the greenwashing and other ESG goals that everyone has to abide by.
 
These countries are performing an act of ethnic cleansing so that Israel can take over the land, reap its economic benefits, and then share it with the US, Uk, France, and so forth. Israel is already giving out licenses to companies to look for the natural gas off their Mediterranean coast. More about all of this here: https://www.planetcritical.com/p/everybody-wants-gazas-gas
 
Natural gas a well as the potential trade corridors that Isreal can create through Gaza is why the US, Uk and so on are sitting idly and watching the genocide play out. This genocide is in everybody's interest. This is very sad and shocking, but it's a truth now obvious to everyone. 
 
Now, here is the interesting part:
 
I've heard from folks familiar with the history and the region that Israel knew that the concert massacre of their people by Hamas was coming that day. Just think, all those Israeli soldiers out there, during war times, with huge walls, apartheid and a shit ton of weapons, but the Israeli army was NOWHERE in sight to protect their own civilians from Hamas? Yeah right. The concert-goers were used as scapegoats, so that Israel would get the "full right" to "defend itself", meaning: kill the civilians, continue their ethnic cleansing, and further displace the Palestinians. Bit by bit, the Gaza borders will move, and Israel will take over completely.
 
Now, what Elon Musk pointed out the other day is that Israel didn't realize that Hamas knew that their concert massacre is going to kick off the bloodshed. They also knew that Muslims around the world, as well as Christians, would see it on freewheeling socials, recognize it for what it is, and retaliate against Israel en masse. And now, the whole world is siding with Hamas, seeing their narrative, and recognizing the Israeli atrocities for the very first time. Despite them going on for decades.
 
So, while Israel is getting its land and moving ahead with its territorial and financial goals, they're losing international support and more and more "Hamas"-style enemies are being born day by day. What's more, people all around the world have started learning about Israel, seeing what its doing, and noticing what its goals are. So, while Palestine may have lost 11,000 people, it won a lot in terms of international recognition.
 
Now everyone with a brain, understands that not only Palestine is a victim of Western colonialism - the entire world is.
 
The problem is, what do we all do with this information? What does one do when they learn their own government is funding a genocide in the Middle East for the sake of natural gas and money, in tandem with other governments? Natural gas which isn't even that much better than oil, only moderately so. Ony about 30% less carbon dioxide emission than oil. 
 
Basically, they will kill and displace Palestinians, take their land and get the gas - just so they can keep filling their pockets while killing the planet more and more.
 
What I've personally learned from all this is:
 
1. There is no such thing as human rights. There are only powerful countries and poor countries. The rules don't apply if you have the powerful countries in your corner
2. America is once again at the heart of crimes against humanity and their biggest supporter and funder. This keeps on happening, and your own citizens are funding it. It's fucked up
3. America would rather fund a war and then sort out its messed up healthcare system
4. Europe too is all about financial interests
5. The UN as an institution is pretty useless 
6. Ireland has more balls than anyone in Europe in terms of speaking the truth
7. England's new Prime Minister is already corrupt, a goner
8. Israel is literally a made up, small country, but they have so much power and so many lobbyists that they can perform ethnic cleansing while the whole world is watching. Oh, and they have nuclear powers as well
9. Social media can be used for more than narcissism. It can be a powerful tool for unearthing the truth and exposing our governments
10. Most of the stuff we get from the media is a complete lie. Even articles in reputable magazines like New York Times or the Wall Street Journal. In fact, especially in those publications
 
This list goes on and on. There's so much to unpack, and discern, and I can totally understand why everyone is so shocked and distressed. If you're feeling anxious right now (I know I am!), well, you're not alone
 
The time for political and social activism is now, guys. We not only need to learn what we can do to to help the Palestinian cause, but we also need to stop our governments from making decisions on our behalf. Our planet is at stake. 
 
I'm on Elon Musk's team. Electric cars should be the way forward, and Big Oil or Big Gas, need to be stopped at every cost.

My point of view makes sense everywhere. I'm European but I live here yeah.
 
Also, are you really one of those who thinks that 10,000 civilians died because of a hunt for Hamas?
 
Newflash: Israel couldn't care less about Hamas or the hostages. They're ethnically cleansing Gaza. Get with the program! 
 
So, yes, they CAN stop. But they want the land, and the natural gas, so they won't. 
 
Have you been living under a rock?
 
 

i do believe lana has a soft spot for these kinds of songs, and i think it might be her team discouraging these kind of songs for whatever reason. i imagine the demos for fishtail would have been quite similar, and although it’s definitely a lot of hip hop trap influence you can grasp a lot of the ambience still in my opinion,
 
and when ocean blvd came out, i remember seeing a fan interaction on tiktok or twitter (lmk if u remember) where they told lana fishtail was their favourite song on the album and she said she was surprised and was under the impression that wouldn’t do well from her team. (i’m paraphrasing) does anyone remember this? could be fake i guess but idk.
 
it’s so sad because i love these songs and i hope they get their chance

That's an interesting comparison to the Untouchable Five. Perhaps it could be replicated with these songs? I like this direction of the topic. 
 
What songs could constitute as a competition to the U5? I would refer to it as "Witchy [number]". 
 
 
If I Die Young
Come With Me 
Serene Queen
Crazy For You
 
And possibly...
 
Dead To Me
Paradise 
 
They'd have to share both the same producer and project. 

i do believe lana has a soft spot for these kinds of songs, and i think it might be her team discouraging these kind of songs for whatever reason. i imagine the demos for fishtail would have been quite similar, and although it’s definitely a lot of hip hop trap influence you can grasp a lot of the ambience still in my opinion,
 
and when ocean blvd came out, i remember seeing a fan interaction on tiktok or twitter (lmk if u remember) where they told lana fishtail was their favourite song on the album and she said she was surprised and was under the impression that wouldn’t do well from her team. (i’m paraphrasing) does anyone remember this? could be fake i guess but idk.
 
it’s so sad because i love these songs and i hope they get their chance

i do believe lana has a soft spot for these kinds of songs, and i think it might be her team discouraging these kind of songs for whatever reason. i imagine the demos for fishtail would have been quite similar, and although it’s definitely a lot of hip hop trap influence you can grasp a lot of the ambience still in my opinion,
 
and when ocean blvd came out, i remember seeing a fan interaction on tiktok or twitter (lmk if u remember) where they told lana fishtail was their favourite song on the album and she said she was surprised and was under the impression that wouldn’t do well from her team. (i’m paraphrasing) does anyone remember this? could be fake i guess but idk.
 
it’s so sad because i love these songs and i hope they get their chance

I’m not sure if there’s a thread for this topic so I’m gonna just do it here
 
Im so excited to see where Lana goes with music, tours etc next year since she’s really getting her recognition with Grammy noms (even though it’s kinda her fault she hasn’t gotten them before since she didn’t submit) and with songs like let the light in being pretty popular. I hope she comes to Australia or just a tour in general for more looks and production etc. I’m really hoping for that country album that’s so obviously happening and I would love a Phoebe bridgers/boygenius sad country colas with punisher vibes

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just finished listening to all their albums

take that back 

take that back 

take that back