MARINA (and The Diamonds)

[111 34,827]

the reason Ancient F Words is much better than L+F is because she started all of it on her laptop, there are laptop or piano demos that she did for all of the songs, yes they sound rough but they have that charm of her earlier work of banging away at the piano and garageband loops - the problem was the lyrics, it went really pretentious on an attempt to be self aware and "political"... but you can see she still got some chops by the specialness of these demos, unlike someone like BANKS who went indie and tried to self produce her entire album to output that garbage snake thing she put out

 

L+F was trash because she went into studio to write generic love songs started from scratch by a random collection of producers... only a few songs on L+F was made as a laptop demo by her, mainly handmade heaven and soft to be strong, which are two of the strongest songs on the album and most Marina like to no surprises... as long as she keeps her focus on creating songs herself, working mainly with one producer to create a consistent soundscape and finding better lyrical content she will be fine. but i worry about her being independent now... there's a big risk that she will just become more insufferable

[Tana Mongeau 4,272]

19 minutes ago, 111 said:

the reason Ancient F Words is much better than L+F is because she started all of it on her laptop, there are laptop or piano demos that she did for all of the songs, yes they sound rough but they have that charm of her earlier work of banging away at the piano and garageband loops - the problem was the lyrics, it went really pretentious on an attempt to be self aware and "political"... but you can see she still got some chops by the specialness of these demos, unlike someone like BANKS who went indie and tried to self produce her entire album to output that garbage snake thing she put out

 

L+F was trash because she went into studio to write generic love songs started from scratch by a random collection of producers... only a few songs on L+F was made as a laptop demo by her, mainly handmade heaven and soft to be strong, which are two of the strongest songs on the album and most Marina like to no surprises... as long as she keeps her focus on creating songs herself, working mainly with one producer to create a consistent soundscape and finding better lyrical content she will be fine. but i worry about her being independent now... there's a big risk that she will just become more insufferable

When is she coming back because we’re bored

[ultrabanisters 37,237]

20 minutes ago, 111 said:

the reason Ancient F Words is much better than L+F is because she started all of it on her laptop, there are laptop or piano demos that she did for all of the songs, yes they sound rough but they have that charm of her earlier work of banging away at the piano and garageband loops - the problem was the lyrics, it went really pretentious on an attempt to be self aware and "political"... but you can see she still got some chops by the specialness of these demos, unlike someone like BANKS who went indie and tried to self produce her entire album to output that garbage snake thing she put out

 

L+F was trash because she went into studio to write generic love songs started from scratch by a random collection of producers... only a few songs on L+F was made as a laptop demo by her, mainly handmade heaven and soft to be strong, which are two of the strongest songs on the album and most Marina like to no surprises... as long as she keeps her focus on creating songs herself, working mainly with one producer to create a consistent soundscape and finding better lyrical content she will be fine. but i worry about her being independent now... there's a big risk that she will just become more insufferable

she needs to dip her hand back into the froot-bowl (aka one of the best albums of all time) because the half baked and pretentious ‘self-aware’ lyrics are unlistenable atp

[vrtvie 2,120]

To be honest, FROOT was never that good to begin with. What value do Can't Pin Me Down or Gold have? Ik it's probably a taboo thing in the fandom but this record is not as cohesive as people portray it to be.

[Tana Mongeau 4,272]

this is gonna be interesting

[ultrabanisters 37,237]

1 minute ago, vrtvie said:

To be honest, FROOT was never that good to begin with. What value do Can't Pin Me Down or Gold have?

fun and non-chart conforming production, lyrics that are actually well thought out if she made a political statement (savages) and a fun era where she didnt feel like an LA try hard

[111 34,827]

yall just be saying everything 

[Furor Poeticus 15,558]

Post FROOT albums simply aren't as good as her first 3 LPs. Case closed 

[Embach 21,535]

2 hours ago, vrtvie said:

To be honest, FROOT was never that good to begin with. What value do Can't Pin Me Down or Gold have? Ik it's probably a taboo thing in the fandom but this record is not as cohesive as people portray it to be.

Froot isn't cohesive yes, I haven't seen fans saying that to my surprise. I never really found her albums that cohesive because in her albums there are sounds of everything, even in TFJ or EH (but EH is probably her most cohesive one). But imo cohesiveness is overrated. I love an album which has different sounds. That's why I love Froot, there is a perfect mix of other genres.

[Embach 21,535]

Also I love to see that my long ass controversial post I posted last week created such a sweet controversy here  I love those discussions about albums

[AOK 1,106]

Well, tbh I am the one who feels like Froot is perfectly cohesive. I am surprised to see you think otherwise.

[Tana Mongeau 4,272]

2 hours ago, 111 said:

yall just be saying everything 

Meet me in the local park and we can listen to the outtakes

[Veinsineon 70,663]

FROOT is the album of a lifetime. It sucks there was only a limited number of songs made for it, but that’s also what makes it so strong, so it’s bittersweet 

 

True Colors

Savior

Not Hungry Anymore

 

are there any other “outtakes” we know of? Did we ever find out what When You Take Away Control was?

[viktoria 3,149]

my mum doesn't like froot because she thinks all the tracks sound the same  its her most cohesive album by far 

[Veinsineon 70,663]

I just think it’s weird knowing she planned to “repackage “ Froot with a new name and +4-5 new songs that were unfinished at the time of the albums inception. Like were they home demos she never took to the studio? Is Control just a laptop demo? What other songs could she possibly have thought about including? Anything with Dan Dare?

[Furor Poeticus 15,558]

The only songs on Froot I don’t like that much are Better Than That and Weeds. The rest is 

[Psychedelic Pussy 28,923]

To think if she had stopped making music after Froot she would’ve gone down as a legend… ijbol

[Tana Mongeau 4,272]

29 minutes ago, Veinsineon said:

I just think it’s weird knowing she planned to “repackage “ Froot with a new name and +4-5 new songs that were unfinished at the time of the albums inception. Like were they home demos she never took to the studio? Is Control just a laptop demo? What other songs could she possibly have thought about including? Anything with Dan Dare?

Pretty sure she was in the studio in 2015 or 2016 for the repackage but don't quote me on that

[Glitter Boy 16,220]

The only song I don't really enjoy on Froot is Blue  

I think overall MARINA albums are actually cohesive somehow, even if they explore different genres like Froot did.

 

And forgive me but I'm so attached to L+F because the outtakes are miles better than most of the released tracks + it was the first album release I experienced as a fan but I see why people don't enjoy it much - is a mess lmao.

 

I really hope to see more Ancient-esque production in her further work (title track, Venus Fly Trap, Goodbye, Highly Emotional People, Man's World have beautiful productions imo), but she definitely has to step up her songwriting game - I can't believe this is the same woman who wrote the Froot album on her own. Maybe some peer-review would work? Or she could write and let it rest to come back and rework the lyrics idk. I hope M6 will be an incredible album, fingers crossed.

[rancidgirl 4,574]

MARINA COME BACK WE LOVE YOU