Donald Trump & JD Vance Win 2024 US Presidential Election

[LifeOnMars 7,908]

40 minutes ago, Quincy said:

Yes, but if you look at the numbers, if everyone who voted 3rd party voted for Harris, she still would have lost.  

If you give all 3rd party votes to her, she would have at least won in Michigan and Wisconsin. Unfortunately the huge overall shift to the right was too much to overcome. 

[GeminiLanaFan 48,912]

48 minutes ago, Dark Angel said:

i'm sorry but fuck everyone who voted 3rd party, how could you be that STUPID

Another problem of today’s state of the world : more and more people have to vote strategically and not with alignement with their own convictions just to block the worst option. I know nothing of the third party TBH, maybe people did vote for that option because they truly believed in it but if the main goal was to block Trump, they should have voted for the Democrats instead 

[79lipstick 484]

If every single person who voted third party had voted for Kamala instead, she still would have lost. They could have voted third party twice and she still would have lost. Why are yall acting like all third party votes would have translated into Kamala votes...??? Blaming your shortcomings on third party voters as if the democratic party isnt a failure and didnt run one of the most ridiculous campaigns of all time. Self introspection is long overdue for out of touch liberals. Good luck

[Candy Necklace 7,400]

Part of me wishes he would’ve won in 2020 so we would’ve been done with him by now. It’s crazy that by the time he’s done, Trump will have been a political figure for half of my life

[LifeOnMars 7,908]

I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. 

[prettywhenimhigh 49,300]

feels like a never ending war against fake news...

it's time for the people to seriously come together and put on a fight. probably a naive and utopian thought I'm throwing here considering everyone feels defeated and the newer generation seems like they don't wanna do any of the work. but it's serious, people have to come together now more than ever

as a brazilian, my condolences and I wish good luck to all of us. 2026 is gonna be hot mess

[bluechemtrails 26,534]

52 minutes ago, baddisease said:

This is Joe Biden's fault imo. If he hadn't tried to run again, there could have been better candidates running during the primaries and Kamala wouldn't have been crowned the nominee.

I don't see much wrong with her candidacy, she seems to be the best possible Democrat. The only problem might be that she's not close enough to the people and that she might have campaigned on the wrong issues, instead of issues that appeal also to people in rural America.

[Quincy 4,280]

21 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said:

If you give all 3rd party votes to her, she would have at least won in Michigan and Wisconsin. Unfortunately the huge overall shift to the right was too much to overcome. 

Oops, you’re right, I guess those states tightened up a bit, plus the Google search I was using was only showing the top two 3rd party candidates until you hit the dropdown. 
 

9 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said:

I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. 

This was one of the weirdest takeaways. I’m not really sure why. Maybe the pandemic played a role? People were bored out of their minds and voted in droves in 2020?

 

Did people think she had the race in the bag?

 

edit:

Maybe enthusiasm was much lower than corporate media and social media led us to believe?
 

1 hour ago, baddisease said:

This is Joe Biden's fault imo. If he hadn't tried to run again, there could have been better candidates running during the primaries and Kamala wouldn't have been crowned the nominee.

I do wish they had an open primary. Maybe her run was just too short for Americans to get to know and trust her? I think Biden would have done even worse, though. Shapiro would have probably done worse. The Dems are screwed. 

[Mer 61,454]

10 minutes ago, bluechemtrails said:

I don't see much wrong with her candidacy, she seems to be the best possible Democrat. The only problem might be that she's not close enough to the people and that she might have campaigned on the wrong issues, instead of issues that appeal also to people in rural America.

No Democrat would’ve won this. This was a resounding referendum on the economy, and not the one measured by the S&P, but by how much the average $50k a year person feels like they have left over at the end of the month. 

[Quincy 4,280]

6 minutes ago, Mer said:

No Democrat would’ve won this. This was a resounding referendum on the economy, and not the one measured by the S&P, but by how much the average $50k a year person feels like they have left over at the end of the month. 

Most of the Dems seem tone deaf to this. It’s not all raw numbers and metrics. I heard commentators and such bragging that inflation was down. Yeah, the rate of inflation was down, but if grocery costs go up 20% one year and only 5 more % the next year (making up numbers), that’s still a lot higher than they were two years prior. 
 

Wages may be up on average, but the damn federal minimum wage hasn’t gone up in like a decade. Hell, I’m not living paycheck to paycheck, but my mortgage went up like 25% and not even considering other expenses, but my wages only went up 1% this year. Just an anecdotal example and don’t get me wrong, I voted for Harris. Trump will not be good for the economy, at least not people on the lower end of the financial spectrum.

 

If Dems had come out harder and tried to relate to and speak to the lower/middle class, they could have done better. It’s a systematic problem. Politicians are in bubbles and as dumb and dangerous as Trump is, he’s great at making half of the country think he’s going to help them. (Spoiler, he’s not going to) 

 

Edit:

The Dems basically said, yeah life was hard for a lot of you for four years and you should vote for us again despite that. 

[ChaoticLipster 24,573]

Biden was indeed too sleepy, he didn’t really have a presence and was way past his sell by date and this lead to decline in enthusiasm for the democrats.  Trump wins mostly by his charisma and presence,  he has an imposing personality and confidence that pulls the wool over the average persons eyes. Kamala a Women of colour was the wrong choice, I feel a male would have faired better.  

[Super Movie 51,594]

There's no point in fantasizing about scenarios where this could have gone well, and there's no point in trying somehow to make any of this make sense because it just doesn't

[jimmyjimmycocoapuff 5,268]

16 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said:

I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. 

Ellie Goulding says she can’t believe there are more than 17 million votes missing- “where the fuck are they all?” she said

[Quincy 4,280]

1 minute ago, ChaoticLipster said:

Biden was indeed too sleepy, he didn’t really have a presence and was way past his sell by date and this lead to decline in enthusiasm for the democrats.  Trump wins mostly by his charisma and presence,  he has an imposing personality and confidence that pulls the wool over the average persons eyes. 

True. It’s deeply troubling that he’s the oldest president elect ever, yet he somehow still wins in these categories. If you actually watch his rallies and read the transcripts, he sounds like a deranged lunatic most of the time. Imagine what he’ll sound like in 3-4 years, considering his cognitive state has been in steady decline. 

[American Whore 51,214]

I'm gonna say it here and now --

 

If you're a hispanic voter in the US and voted for Trump, don't bitch or moan when he deports you. 

 

If you voted for Trump because of the economy, don't bitch and complain when gas prices and food prices are even more unstable.

 

If you're a woman who voted for Trump, don't complain when your husband beats you and there are no protections for you anymore. You chose that. 

 

If you're a gay person who voted Trump, don't be upset when you lose your job solely based on your sexual orientation because you CHOSE this. 

 

In the meantime, I might leave LB for a few weeks to better understand how to leave the US and quickly. I don't want to be here for a Trump presidency again. 

 

Oh and might I add -- if your daughter gets r*ped and is stuck giving birth to a baby she never wanted or planned to have or even gave her consent to conceive in the first place - pay her child support. You chose this for her. 

[Mer 61,454]

15 minutes ago, Quincy said:

Edit:

The Dems basically said, yeah life was hard for a lot of you for four years and you should vote for us again despite that. 

In hindsight, Dems messaging was probably too smug. If you look at the education breakdown, the “well actually, according to economists the economy is doing great” line probably didn’t land with a demographic so far away from the stock market and from understanding economic theory. 
 

I really don’t want to sanitize what happened, but I think the exit polls we initially saw were wrong. This election wasn’t about abortion, fundamental rights, democracy, identity politics, or joy—it was about having money—and I probably (along with a lot of you here) didn’t see it coming bc 4 years ago I was in college, so I couldn’t measurably say if I am worse off or better off lol 

[motel six 3,114]

the UK secretary of state gave a very warm congratulations to trump. much different to his response in 2017, where he called trump a racist n**i and kk* sympathiser. 

and, nigel farage has been frolicking around with trump, trump congratulating him for his gains in the UK last election. this just shows the direction politics is going in, a very dangerous one.

Edited 1 hour ago by motel six
edit - it was the foreign secretary

[79lipstick 484]

You people have no idea how privileged you sound when you talk about leaving the country. Where to, exactly? Europe is NOT Disneyland. 

[coneyislandbaby1949 333]

37 minutes ago, LifeOnMars said:

I wonder why turnout was so much lower than 4 years ago? It seems like right now we are 17 million votes short of 2020. 

 new voters arnt voting + both political campaignes focused on rallies then (non online) media precence 

[X8vinylScratchX 4,659]

THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT CONTROL THE ECONOMY AND GAS PRICES

 

THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS A FUCKING MORON

 

Didn’t the average American say they don’t support Obama care, but they do support the affordable care act  The american IQ average is around the temperature of a fridge