LANA SLEUTHING

[Lindsay Lohan 10,430]

1 hour ago, Surf Noir said:

this is the best thread i can think of to post about this, i was just simply doing a simple "lizzy grant" search on google with the filters, i was looking at the index magazine article & i noticed that one of the teaser clips was uploaded on vimeo, i found their vimeo page & they have a 12 minute video in a better quality (as well as the two teasers) than the 18 minute upload onto youtube, obviously it's not much if you don't really care for higher quality content, especially since it isn't the full, 18 minute video, but i really do, so i thought this was a pretty cool find, i'll let you guys know if i find anything else

 

 

 

 

 

Spotted the cat... 6:10

 

 

Spoiler

 

[lizzyology 7,010]

On 11/9/2021 at 10:37 PM, lizzyology said:

Maybe a long dead topic? Either way, I made a IG story with the expectation of embarrassing myself (I did), and it looks like I am awaiting on a further response on one of the Starlux Hotel pics from Chuck herself lol. Lets see if anything happens later! 

 

 

An update, I am 100% sure she has my DM in her primary messages. Just asked again after 5 months and am scared to death. Let’s see if I get torn apart 😭. 

[BartenderDeco 19,636]

17 minutes ago, lizzyology said:

An update, I am 100% sure she has my DM in her primary messages. Just asked again after 5 months and am scared to death. Let’s see if I get torn apart 😭. 

become best friends with her so we get hundreds of lizzy photos

[lizzyology 7,010]

I wasn't here long enough to experience when the Facebook account linked below was active (I'm sure many of you were around, however). It seems like an account started in 2012-2015 on Facebook and was later abandoned... looks like a legit account from Lana. 

 

Not sure if this one is already known, but I'm leaving the link here for others just incase - feels like its been forgotten. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/LizWGrant

 

 

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I love that there is a thread like this, Even was made on St. Vincent’s Birthday…

[lili 3,177]

I literally jump whenever this thread gets active

[savage 22]

On 4/28/2022 at 8:24 PM, lizzyology said:

I wasn't here long enough to experience when the Facebook account linked below was active (I'm sure many of you were around, however). It seems like an account started in 2012-2015 on Facebook and was later abandoned... looks like a legit account from Lana. 

 

Not sure if this one is already known, but I'm leaving the link here for others just incase - feels like its been forgotten. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/LizWGrant

 

 

I tried to take a look but my account was disabled so I failed miserably... Can anyone take a screenshot of the page? Thank you in advance :/ <3

[Alison by Slowdive 26,146]

23 minutes ago, savage said:

I tried to take a look but my account was disabled so I failed miserably... Can anyone take a screenshot of the page? Thank you in advance :/ <3

Same I can’t remember my password 

[lizzyology 7,010]

 

Lisandro just woke me up for this lol - Her old Fordham teacher, Mark Naison, just posted this an hour ago

 

"New" 2000s Lana performance (Brooklyn African American History Project) vids lurking somewhere; it would be interesting to see if they pop up sometime this year... wouldn't want to bug those two, but I think its definitely something to keep an eye out for in the future 

[Dark Angel 202,173]

9 hours ago, lizzyology said:

 

Lisandro just woke me up for this lol - Her old Fordham teacher, Mark Naison, just posted this an hour ago

 

"New" 2000s Lana performance (Brooklyn African American History Project) vids lurking somewhere; it would be interesting to see if they pop up sometime this year... wouldn't want to bug those two, but I think its definitely something to keep an eye out for in the future 

 

finally, new lizzy grant tea!

 

getting new live shows would be a dream

[hotshot2am 18,781]

Found a comment of someone who was an intern at 5 Points Records.

[cherryblossoms 10,417]

8 minutes ago, hotshot2am said:

Found a comment of someone who was an intern at 5 Points Records.

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I was told to post this on Lana Thoughts and felt this was the most appropriate thread. I will edit later and post links/pictures. This is everything till now that we know about Princess Superstar's involvement in Lana's career. 

 

Princess Superstar is another artist who once worked with Ben Mawson, Lana’s manager. She worked with Lana ~2008-2010, but the timeline is tentative, as you’ll see.

 

Princess Superstar said in a 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr that when she met Lana she was already using the Lana Del Rey moniker. This is during 2009. However, in other instances where she has referenced Lana, she has used the name Lizzy Grant or Lizzie Grant. Go figure. 

 

In 2021, Princess posted mp3 files of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs that she produced on her Patreon. She wrote this about Catch & Release,  “Unreleased Lana Del Rey [sic] I produced…Great story- in 2009 my husband told me he found this "cool singer" Lizzie Grant and she was a big fan of mine. I said I didn't have a lot of time (LOL!) and ok let's see what she's about…two years later Lana Del Rey was born.” 

 

Princess Superstar wrote this about Maha Maha. “Exclusive for you guys! When Lana was merely Lizzy Grant with a failed record, my husband met her and said ‘I've found this really great singer you have to work with her!’ I said ok I am not much of a producer but I will try LOL.  I worked with her and produced a few songs…We recorded this at my apartment in the Lower East Side in NYC and then brought it to a studio in Tribeca.”

 

Lastly, about the track Golden Grill, she said, “This [song is] called Golden Grill and I produced it in 2008 (I think?? LOL my brain!!) I was living in Red Square, a cool building on the Lower East Side on NYC- and had a crappy bedroom studio with just one tiny little input board and a shitty mic.”

 

http://lanaboards.com/topic/2247-lana-del-rey-now-interview-with-princess-superstar-moije-joue-producer/?do=findComment&comment=1228784

 

In the 2013 interview she was asked, “The ‘Kill Kill’ EP was released in October 2008 under the name Lizzy Grant. Had you heard about Lizzy prior to meeting her? Which name was she using at the time you met?”, and this was her answer: “ No, I did not hear about her and she was using ‘Lana Del Rey’ already.” Basically, don’t take Princess Superstar’s anecdotes for absolute fact. No offense to her.

 

Nevertheless, these things are for certain:

• Ben Mawson was originally Princess Superstar’s lawyer. Princess has consistently testified on multiple occasions that she introduced Lana to Ben Mawson.
• She herself met Lana through her partner, Miguel Ortega, who is a music producer.
• Princess Superstar produced tracks for Lana. https://web.archive.org/web/20110806165719/https://princesssuperstar.com/blog/?p=1009

 

In the 2013 interview with Lana Del Rey Now tumblr, Princess Superstar said, “ [Lana and I] were working together and I really believed in her, so I introduced her to my then lawyer, Ben Mawson, who I knew was a hustler in the music biz.” Then she claimed, “ We all met at the Bowery Hotel in New York, I played him the music and then he became her manager.” Lana however has said she met Ben at the CMJ Festival in New York's Chinatown. But but but! The Bowery Hotel is in Chinatown. 

 

Next.

 

On Janurary 22nd, 2010, Lana, under the name Lana Del Rey & The Casinos, performed remixes of Hundred Dollar Bills (also known as C-Note which is what Kalae referred to it later) and Diet Mountain Dew with special guest Kalae.

http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=426939

http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=95934

http://lanaboards.com/topic/1645-20100122-highline-ballroom/?do=findComment&comment=1266432

 

According to Kalae, she had her own verses.

However, this remix is not the version of Hundred Dollar Bills with a rap verse. These versions performed on 01/22/2010 have not surfaced. These remixes were produced by Princess Superstar. (There is speculation of there being other remixes involving Princess Superstar! ) Princess Superstar messaged lizzology yesterday and said, “Hi there! I will look for the Kalae song it is probably in some dusty old hard drive ha ha!”

 

 

 

Known Lana songs that involve Princess Superstar are Moi Je Joue, Live Forever/Golden Grill, Catch & Release, and Maha Maha. These titles are registered with the ACSP and all credit Concetta Suzanne Kirschner, which is Princess Superstar’s real name.

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533147

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533090

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887532779

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/887533110

 

Moi Je Joue leaked in 2012. Princess Superstar acknowledged the track in 2013. She commented,”I have no idea how that got out because it’s beyond rough and the worst one that we did together.”

 

Princess Superstar shared a Live Forever Acapella track on her Patreon September 23, 2022.

https://twitter.com/psuperstar/status/1573387915929190400?s=46&t=1DfgrQUFqWShqYr7RfTokQ http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386810

She also clarified that it is the song “Chick Habit” that has backing vocals from Lizzy not "Boss Chick" which she originally claimed in 2021. Lizzy's vocals are in the chorus. 

http://lanaboards.com/topic/15959-princess-superstar-lizzy-grant-segement-on-patreon/?do=findComment&comment=1386281

 

Edited for links to sources!

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Pr3ttyP4rtyFav0r
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[Cherry Blossom 21,530]

loving how in 2022 producers are leaking the songs, not leakers… Chris Braide, Princess Superstar… It’s reverse Warholian. It’s ARTPOP. It’s making Marilyn the canvas. 

[lizzyology 7,010]

I will say, the only reasons why those 2 remixes of Hundred Dollar Bill and Diet Mtn Dew (I believe these are the only remixes with Kalae) didn’t release is because of what happened at Lana’s showcase at the Highline Ballroom. 

I was told so many people came up to see Lana, only to find out she was essentially “bad at singing live” & many turned their interest over to Kalae after the show - they never spoke to each other again. 

If those 2 remixes were to come out, I’m not so sure what Kalae would think about them - I mean, it would feel pretty shitty to be blamed for someone’s performance-gone-bad but… 💀

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4 minutes ago, lizzyology said:

I will say, the only reasons why those 2 remixes of Hundred Dollar Bill and Diet Mtn Dew (I believe these are the only remixes with Kalae) didn’t release is because of what happened at Lana’s showcase at the Highline Ballroom. 

I was told so many people came up to see Lana, only to find out she was essentially “bad at singing live” & many turned their interest over to Kalae after the show - they never spoke to each other again. 

If those 2 remixes were to come out, I’m not so sure what Kalae would think about them - I mean, it would feel pretty shitty to be blamed for a someone’s performance-gone-bad but… 💀

 

do you think it's likely that those remixes will come out at any point, i know that princess superstar sent you a message saying she'll look for them, but to be honest i'm not too trustworthy when people say they're going to do something lol  

[lizzyology 7,010]

2 minutes ago, Surf Noir said:

 

do you think it's likely that those remixes will come out at any point, i know that princess superstar sent you a message saying she'll look for them, but to be honest i'm not too trustworthy when people say they're going to do something lol  

Kalae didn’t save anything from her time with Lana (can you guess why lol), but I wouldn’t expect anything immediately from PS (also, @/Reputation was the one who sent her the message - I just gave him my question to ask her as PS isn’t very friendly towards Lana fans)

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Thank you all for the love!

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This is what I have uncovered about The Rich Whores and Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 

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What appears to be The Rich Whores exclusive tracks are, “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” and “Me & My Boyfriend.” However, “Me & My Boyfriend” is considered by some to be an outtake of Lana del Ray aka Lizzy Grant. There is a confirmed studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” produced by Kahne (although this has not been leaked) and a rehearsal session recording with The Rich Whores. There is a rumored acoustic demo version of “Me & My Boyfriend” also. It is unclear whether the studio version of “Me & My Boyfriend” with Kahne featured The Rich Whores or if it was just Lana, especially considering that both were signed to 5 Point Records, but it is unlikely. There is a leaked studio version of “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” recorded by Arthur Lynn who was a bandmate of Lana’s while she was performing as Lizzy Grant with The Rich Whores. (They dated sometime in mid to late 2007 to ~2009 when The Rich Whores were performing together and some time after, per speculation. I may be wrong about that and it possibly is a confirmed relationship.) To me this even more strongly suggests that "It's Not You, It's Just Me" was in fact a collaborative track since both parties felt inclined to produce their respective versions of the song. 

There are full length The Rich Whores versions of “Brite Lites,” “Disco,” and “Yayo.” All are rehearsal session recordings. Snippets of Lizzy Grant performing “Disco,” “Brite Lites,” “Yayo,” “Me & My Boyfriend,” and “It’s Not You, It’s Just Me,” live with The Rich Whores leaked June 13, 2016 on Instagram. The rehearsal videos surfaced March 5, 2020, also on Instagram. It is unknown when exactly these videos were recorded. There is footage of the Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena, another band of Lizzy’s, performing “Yayo” on July 9th, 2007, at The Cutting Room and reportedly “Me & My Boyfriend” also, but I cannot confirm any footage of “Me & My Boyfriend”. I suspect there has been some confusion and the alleged “Me & My Boyfriend” performance was The Rich Whores performance. Fuck if I know. 

 

Jezebel Music wrote about an upcoming Lizzy Grant performance for the Jezebel Music Songwriter Showcase that happened the following day on November 14th, 2007, at Laila Lounge. Referencing the previous year’s Williamsburg Live Songwiter Competition, of which Lizzy was a finalist, the article stated, “There are still traces of Grant’s scratchy quiver in her voice, but the folky finger-picked guitar has been overshadowed by grander arrangements and a full band, The Rich Whores.” The review also said, “Although Grant has substantially re-launched herself, for the most part the extra instrumentation provided by the band simply and tastefully reinforces the strong songwriting and phenomenal singing of a remarkable performer. With or without The Rich Whores, we can be certain that Lizzy Grant’s performance at the November 14th Songwriter Showcase will be something special.” Additionally, the article mentions that since the finals Lizzy has been signed to a label and “with this achievement comes a new sound and image.” This implies that Lizzy performed with The Rich Whores sometime after the Williamsburg Live Songwriter Competition Finals on September 22nd, 2006, at the Galapagos Art Space, since the Jezebel article was preemptively referring to the Lizzy Grant performance happening the following day. It is uncertain if The Rich Whores played with Lizzy Grant as the vocalist November 14th, 2007 since the piece was written and published the day before. It appears that all that is certain is sometime after being signed to 5 Point Records, Lizzy began performing with a band that referred to themselves as The Rich Whores, similarly to how Taylor Swift had a band at the beginning of her career who called themselves The Agency. When billed, Lizzy appeared as herself, just like Taylor did. I believe it is for this reason that it is so difficult to identify when The Rich Whores performed together - because Lizzy was the songwriter and vocalist while the band was accompanying as a separate entity. This could explain why The Rich Whores became Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. It makes more sense because Lizzy Grant was the star attraction.  

 

On July 9th, 2007, Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena performed at The Cutting Room per ReverbNation. ReverbNation had this in the About, “Members: Lizzy Grant- Vocals, Arthur Lynn- Guitar, Aaron Brooks- Drums, Drew Martelli- Bass Guitar, Tags- Drums, Tim- Bass Guitar. The difference between this lineup and that of The Rich Whores is The Rich Whores does not include Tim, and Tags is a percussionist. According to the Lizzy Grant circa The Rich Whores myspace url, The Rich Whores was signed to 5 Point Records. The lineup for The Rich Whores is as follows: Arthur Lynn on guitar, Aaron Brooks for drums, Drew Martelli as the bass guitarist, and Tags (Arthur Tagliamonte) as Percussion. In conclusion, it appears that Lizzy Grant and the Phenomena came after The Rich Whores according to the dates.  This was the only known performance of Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena. 

 

P.S. The Phenomena of Lizzy Grant mixtape is not a Lizzy Grant and The Phenomena mixtape. She just really liked the word phenomena during this time lol. 

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11 hours ago, Surf Noir said:

 

do you think it's likely that those remixes will come out at any point, i know that princess superstar sent you a message saying she'll look for them, but to be honest i'm not too trustworthy when people say they're going to do something lol  

We have too many cases of people saying they will find something and they just don't so probably not