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I never said this was a high bar to clear, just that I clear it. But I have made reference to occupation, Israel's disproportionate use of force, the current apartheid-like situation, land dispossession, the fact that Palestinians in the occupied territories have no representation in the Knesset, successes of previous BDS movements, etc.

This goes too far for me. I believe Israel has a right to exist. But I believe Israel either needs to give Palestinians full autonomy and more territory or give them full citizenship in a greater state of Israel. And fundamentally, democracy is incompatible with being a permanent ethnostate or theocracy.

WHOA. Express acknowledgement. BTW a very Trumpian tactic to drop this to try to distract her fans from the Meteor Festival controversy. :troll:

1. Goodness gracious! How dare I use profanity to emphasize how trivial I find someone's desire to attend a concert to standing up for human rights! What a travesty! #CertainTravesties 2. Members of oppressor classes, particularly when they are propagandized by their government and state-friendly media, are often the last to come to terms with the reality and extent of that oppression. And if you're suggesting that my position on this issue is informed only by histrionic social media posts, that's funny. You forget I'm old and have followed this issue since long before social media existed and despite a historically strong pro-Israel bias in US media. 3. Forcing my opinion? How? I mean, I have every right to express my opinion as much as anybody else here. You say this as if I've somehow abused my mod powers to silence or punish differing views about this. I haven't. If anything, quite the opposite. Members have reported offensive posts in this thread that I think objectively warrant discipline, but I've recused myself and left them for other mods to decide. I will note it is funny how often on this forum accusations of "forcing" or "imposing" an opinion generally correlate with an inability to articulate much of a rebuttal. This is honestly hilarious. Your quotes in their original context look way worse and make you look like that much more of an asshole. If anything I did you a favor. Sigh, if I must. It's a strawman, on multiple levels, but here's one: Its implicit premise is that in the quote of mine it responds to I say people have to stop saying certain ideas. I don't. I merely politely asked people keep the plight of Palestinian victims in mind as they post. I literally say please. Let's see. What post of theirs did I quote and how did I respond to merit being called a "condescending asshole"? Oh. I merely mirrored their own words back to them. When people here forget Lana actually has fans in Palestine and the Palestinian diaspora. I find it funny how I'm being asked to educate others about the situation when I've referenced more relevant facts about the situation than most if not all the people commenting in this thread even though that hasn't been the focus of my posts and it's not my job to educate people. Again, this is an argument against performing other places, not an argument for performing in Israel. I wouldn't perform in Erdogan's Turkey either. But Turkey isn't an apartheid state denying basic human rights on the scale of Israel to half the population and I'm not aware of any mass popular movement on the scale of BDS there asking people to boycott, but if there is I'd honestly like to know.

Because there were more bad takes that you're allowed to quote in one post: It doesn't mean she 100% intends to support injustice and oppression. But her actions have that effect despite her intentions. It helps set a precedent though. And as one of the bigger artists on the roster the success of the festival could largely fall on her. Yes, some critics of Israel are motivated by antisemitism. And yes, there are many other bad regimes. And yes, there may be good arguments for not performing in some of them as well. But Israel is an apartheid state whose oppressed inhabitants are asking people to stand in solidarity and boycott and divest. That would be pretty hypocritical given her reference to Giuliani's "truth isn't truth" comment. This is moral abdication. Yeah, but didn't he produce Lorde's last album, who famously canceled her show in Israel? I don't want to "cancel" Lana. I just want her to cancel this show.

I wrote a long response to Lana's first shitty explanation on Twitter a couple days ago which I'll post when I get around to screenshotting it, but for now I'll content myself with responding to some of the many bad takes here: Yeah, call me when Palestinians in the occupied territories can vote for representation in the Knesset. Member of oppressor class in apartheid state asks that we "just put politics away" (i.e. turn a blind eye to the denial of basic human rights to others by that oppressor class) for just one second so they or other members of that oppressor class can attend a fucking pop concert. It's not about it being "war torn" or "dangerous". It's about occupation, the systemic oppression of Palestinians under an apartheid system, and the disproportionate use of force employed against resistance to that. I have zero respect for anyone who prioritizes their fandom for an artist over supporting human rights. I sympathize with Israeli fans who want to see Lana. I really do. But this is bigger than you or your desire to see one of your favorite artists. When people here forget Lana actually has fans in Palestine and the Palestinian diaspora. JFC. Aside from being insanely hypocritical and moving the goalpoasts, this is fucking vile. This might be an argument against performing in Turkey and/or Russia. It's not a good argument for performing in Israel. It's also an argument against nuance and the ability to make distinctions between somewhat repressive regimes and apartheid states. It's one thing to argue why it doesn't personally bother you. It's another thing to dismiss the concerns of others, some of whom are directly affected. I mean, if artists want to boycott the US for these reasons as a political statement more power to them. But the apartheid nature of the state of Israel uniquely warrants it. There is historical precedent for boycotts, divestment, and sanctions having an impact. And the people being oppressed are calling for it. Israelis are responsible for what their government does in their name and boycotts, divestment, and sanctions can be an effective way to put pressure on a populace to demand change from their leaders. But give me a break. Not being able to go to a Lana show is like the mildest form of collateral damage you can imagine.

It's not really my story to tell, but do y'all realize there are prominent members of this fanbase and this forum, among some of the most instrumental in the early development of Lana's fanbase, whose parents are Palestinian refugees dispossessed of their land? Please think of that before treating this issue dismissively.

That's really petty and disappointing. She's taking many steps backward in her personal growth on this.

I have a lot more to say about this... But for now: Fuck this show and fuck her bullshit justification.

Doesn't this describe almost every thread in the Entertainment section?

wigmore more like wigless amirite http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/statuses/user/40-evilentity/?status_id=58020

"Yayo", Paradise version. CWIMM & G&R are honorable mentions.

Forgot to include this thought in my earlier post: A lot of people have compared Lana to Holly Golightly, but she's more like Holly Golightly in reverse: a New Yorker of means masquerading as rural southern white trash rather than the other way around.

Um... what does the interviewer even mean by this? Does he mean she'd only need half an octave to be good? Is he implying-- bizarrely-- that she can only sing half an octave? Both? *extremely "So Legit" voice* I don't get it. You don't say. Based on her fairly consistent history of namedropping Alabama, I'm betting she said Alabama, not Arkansas, though with her track record of making dubious claims anything's possible. But Ron Pope's memory is not the greatest. While there's little evidence her dad "bought" her career, and it's unclear how much she relied on her parents' money as a young adult-- both claims backlash era haters alleg-- she definitely was "from a family of means in New York". And I can't mention an Alabama trailer park without referencing this awesome song by Jerry Cantrell (of Alice in Chains): Yup. She did a show with his band the district in October 2006 where they each did a set and then one together. Years ago @@Rafael alerted me to the fact that Ron Pope has spoken on multiple occasions about having once performed a Tom Petty cover with her, but he couldn't remember which song it was when I asked him. Shameless plug for my Early Shows section. Spend some time there. There's a wealth of information I've compiled there. And some mysteries yet to solve. What a great description. Her early acoustic stuff definitely has this kind of quality to it. Yup. Not every singer needs to be a belter or do vocal acrobatics. Timbre, character, or feeling can be even more important. Rob had a successful career in advertising (very Mad Men) before getting into real estate and then domain name investing. I don't think having just over a million dollars would make you richer than her parents.

Make a thread. It doesn't really belong here. And there's plenty to say about this.

WTF? They didn't redact his e-mail?

There's something vaguely Sgt. Pepper's about this.

Is this... a transphobic reference to her dad? I'm a sad guuurrrrrrrrl https://pagesix.com/2018/05/07/elon-musk-and-grimes-make-their-debut-at-the-met-gala/

Hmmm... https://twitter.com/tyrannosaurusco/following

Generally, at true open mic nights, it was just her and her guitar. At other gigs she enlisted her own band or friends to play with her.

Can't decide whether this screams "fuck me" or "I'm giving birth to a smoke monster"

LEAKED LYRICS: We got married Your beating made me miscarry Your cheating on me Was shock therapy But without you Ted I'd rather be dead Without your lovin' Gonna stick my head in the oven Good luck with Assia I bet she's a gas, yeah And seal up the door with tape, towels, and cloth?

Say what? You can't even fly direct in that time, let alone drive on a black motorcycle. Take it from someone who has spent a lot of time looking at Detroit->Vegas flights lately. edit: Is this another case of people on this forum not understanding time zones?

Fucking Florida, man.