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bold of you to assume that she even thinks of Halsey in the first place 

bold of you to assume that she even thinks of Halsey in the first place 

As someone that has shit all over the production of NFR and has dragged Jack through the pits of hell and back over the subpar/cheap production/mastering of the album (and will continue to do so), I'm kinda digging the instrumentation in Lana's latest spoken word piece. I hope it follows a similar path sonically for LDR7.

I co-signed this.

As someone that has shit all over the production of NFR and has dragged Jack through the pits of hell and back over the subpar/cheap production/mastering of the album (and will continue to do so), I'm kinda digging the instrumentation in Lana's latest spoken word piece. I hope it follows a similar path sonically for LDR7.

bold of you to assume that she even thinks of Halsey in the first place 

Because her ability to do promo is a mess.

her fast album cycles are something I always appreciated because imo works that are years in the making often lose their focus. i love it when an artists has ambitious intentions but quite often works that were created in a shorter time span feel more substantial to me. also it avoids that whole high expectations dynamic on both sides, fans and artists. there are of course (many) exceptions 

The thing about LDR's family's wealth or lack thereof is this: it seems they were/are upper middle class, which means someone the family, or several in the family, is/are working to generate the income. They're not independently wealthy. A typical American upper middle class family is that of a 'successful' doctor, a lawyer or an engineer. The family own a very nice home, and maybe a second summer home; all the children are able to go to good colleges if they like and are accepted; the family belongs to a country club perhaps, one or two 'exotic' vacations a year are the norm for them, and, after 16 or 17, everyone has her or his own upscale vehicle. 
 
As someone else pointed out, that doesn't mean her family supported her financially partially, wholly, or at all. Often such parents want their children to learn and earn their own way in the world, as 'it builds character.' 
 
This, to me, seems to be the kind of family LDR comes from. If I'm correct, to her, it may not seem 'wealthy,' but then 'wealthy' is a relative term. If I'm right, then, they're not 'wealthy' in the sense that the family still has to generate that wealth, as I said, and there may still be fallow years or periods, and a fair amount of debt. Not everyone who looks like they have money actually does. 'Keeping Up Appearances' of middle class respectability has been a major part of American life. 
 
As we know, in America, at least since the late 19th century, there's always been a certain class resentment towards income inequality.
 
Many artists and creative people consider those who have relative or outright wealth to be automatically corrupt or at least 'tainted.' Three examples: Carl Sandburg's first book of poems, 'Chicago Poems,' is all about how everyone who is wealthy must be some sort of a malicious, uncaring bastard; in their marriage in the 1970s, James Taylor, whose own father was a successful doctor, held it against wife Carly Simon for 'coming from money,' as her father was Richard Simon, creator and owner of Simon & Schuster Publishing; and Bob Dylan has been probably the premier 20th century musician who, early in his own career, promoted the idea that no one who came from money could be a genuine artist or 'creatively pure,' a view that came right out of Dylan's predecessors in the folk music world, Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger.  
 
So the accusations and suspicions that LDR 'comes from wealth' and is therefore incapable of being a genuine artist are only to be expected, they're part of a long tradition of class warfare in the country and especially in the arts. 

At one point I got desperate and contacted Sean about another obsessive creep who I felt was potentially dangerous, because I knew that Sean read messages (unlike Ben and Ed). He was actually really good about it. I really hope he passed the message on to her team like he said he would, because creepy is still being creepy and it was right around Valentine's Day when I think they broke up.

Sorry, I tried to make a joke of the matter, but I understand what you mean and I agree. I sincerely apologize if my short message came off like I just come on here to spew hate on Lana, or imply that this is what other people come on here to do as well, because that was not my intention. In hindsight, it was a bit tone deaf.
 
I guess I just tried to imply that people on this community have, for a lack of better wording, a love/hate relationship with Lana and whilst they love her to death they are sometimes also very critical of her choices both personally and professionally. We all feel very, veeery, passionately about her. Also, it probably explains why there is a "Biggest Lana hater" category at the Lipsters. 
 
No hard feelings. xx
 
On a lighter note, I can't believe that I've reached my 1000th post. I finally have my three dots! 

i restan.

I just want to point out that two days ago you said that all these clout chasers and hiveminded people could suck on Lana's artistic dick and that really says it all, she's not going to play this era 

I just want to point out that two days ago you said that all these clout chasers and hiveminded people could suck on Lana's artistic dick and that really says it all, she's not going to play this era 

I just want to point out that two days ago you said that all these clout chasers and hiveminded people could suck on Lana's artistic dick and that really says it all, she's not going to play this era 

I just want to point out that two days ago you said that all these clout chasers and hiveminded people could suck on Lana's artistic dick and that really says it all, she's not going to play this era 

https://youtu.be/m197tSzmU04

that poem was fucking beyond gorgeous and lush...reminded me of the scrapped Cola spoken poem intro. All the "fans" that deserted her are gonna come crawling back you can never leave this woman her mind and art is too special

lana's newfound upsurge in creativity >>>>

That's fair. But my whole point is, some of y'all act like what Lana wrote was "These women get a free pass just because they are POC" (Ariana not included, obviously) thereby disregarding, invalidating and overlooking their personal hardships, but also the hardships they experience as minorities, and that's specifically what Lana did not write.

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

aight bet

she really knew how to make us forget about the last two days! bets on if she deletes in within 24 hours?

the way this thread had 392 pages two days ago...

This discussion explores areas that Lana didn't cover, and I'm sure didn't even think about covering, in her original post.
 
She's literally just expressing frustrations from a personal perspective; seeing other women being celebrated (for the most part, there will always be haters) for being their exuberant, bold, fearless, magnificent self and expressing their womanhood however the fuck they want, but when she did that not so long ago she was dragged through the pits and that's all there is to say.
 
Funny how a week ago y'all were all for Lana expressing pain over Mother's Day and that was somewhat acceptable for a modern woman to say "you know what, Mother's Day is kinda bullshit", but for her to put some perspective and trying to understand why she was hated this damn much the first couple years after she popped on the scene, that's a no no, because she happened to have mentioned other very successful female artists and put some perspective to what she was trying to point out. 
 
This board is, and will forever be, a joke.