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You're right, in that situation I just wanted to give her mother the benefit of the doubt, since unlike Lana she doesn't really have a platform to speak up on this. But, I also did acknowledge that toxic/shitty moms are a thing and that Lana might've been subject to that as well. 
 
It's all in the air, like you said: who knows why.

I'm not shading, I just don't see the point of making bold claims about Lana's upbringings? I just don't see why she'd have a reason to lie about any if not all of that as she was already subject to harsh criticism when she said all those things. If you feel as though it was her "shtick" as you elegantly put it that is your prerogative, and you got every right to do so. I guess I just like to give her the benefit of the doubt, but that's also my prerogative. It is her life after all.
 
That is all.
 
I won't DM you, don't worry. 

It's crack.

You're right, in that situation I just wanted to give her mother the benefit of the doubt, since unlike Lana she doesn't really have a platform to speak up on this. But, I also did acknowledge that toxic/shitty moms are a thing and that Lana might've been subject to that as well. 
 
It's all in the air, like you said: who knows why.

this is just like when people were theorizing that lana was pregnant and got an abortion. it's not cool and it's not our business. get a grip lol

I'm not shading, I just don't see the point of making bold claims about Lana's upbringings? I just don't see why she'd have a reason to lie about any if not all of that as she was already subject to harsh criticism when she said all those things. If you feel as though it was her "shtick" as you elegantly put it that is your prerogative, and you got every right to do so. I guess I just like to give her the benefit of the doubt, but that's also my prerogative. It is her life after all.
 
That is all.
 
I won't DM you, don't worry. 

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

Sorry, I tried to make a joke of the matter, but I understand what you mean and I agree. I sincerely apologize if my short message came off like I just come on here to spew hate on Lana, or imply that this is what other people come on here to do as well, because that was not my intention. In hindsight, it was a bit tone deaf.
 
I guess I just tried to imply that people on this community have, for a lack of better wording, a love/hate relationship with Lana and whilst they love her to death they are sometimes also very critical of her choices both personally and professionally. We all feel very, veeery, passionately about her. Also, it probably explains why there is a "Biggest Lana hater" category at the Lipsters. 
 
No hard feelings. xx
 
On a lighter note, I can't believe that I've reached my 1000th post. I finally have my three dots! 

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

I feel like with her recent antics, she needs to find someone that can like push her in the right direction artistically, Jack has proven to be too beige for Lanz. Dan on the other hand, he could legit convey all that negative energy and turn it into fire.
 
I don't want him to turn the current situation into some cringy "Reputation" 2.0 moment. 

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

even though her parents may have been well off it is so obvious they weren't actively supporting her financially?? girl lived in a trailer truck trying to make ends meet like. she is not a kardashian

I sadly agree with everything on here. I feel like while trying to push Lana towards creative/artistic highs, there was definitely tension whilst recording/producing Ultraviolence... but I think it paid off. We could argue about the pros and cons of this kind of creative dynamic, but I feel like, like you said, it turned out to be a "once-in-a-lifetime" album. I think they both alluded to fighting over certain aspects of the record, but ultimately dancing together to it.
 
On the other hand, I feel like Jack is the exact of opposite of Dan. He just gives me this "Yes" person vibe. Nothing wrong with that, but like I said earlier that doesn't seem to be very challenging artistically speaking. Hence why I initially felt a little iffy about Jack having his hands all over LDR7, like it was going to be a continuation of the beige sound/aesthetic we had on NFR. Though, time will tell, with Lana's recent Instagram antics... I feel like there is some negative/chaotic energy that's been repressed on her part that she actually will devote into her art. 

Cancel/Call out culture is toxic and stupid (most of the time). Lana will be fine.

Now y’all are just arguing for the sake of it

However, 5 Points Records owner David Nichtern - who first signed Del Rey back in 2007 - has defended the star and insisted there is a lot of "misinformation" that surrounds her story.
Talking about accusations that Del Rey's father paid for her career, Nichtern told MTV: "Nobody even fact-checked. For example, her father never had anything to do financially with supporting her creativity.
"I don't know if he was lending her money to live off of, but at least when she was with us, not a penny. I don't know if he's rich or not; I met him and he seemed like a pretty ordinary guy."
"But that whole thing that she was backed by her millionaire dad is a bunch of crap, basically. Certain facts about the record she did with us are completely misshapen."
https://www.digitalspy.com/music/a363545/lana-del-reys-millionaire-father-never-funded-her-music-career/

I feel like with her recent antics, she needs to find someone that can like push her in the right direction artistically, Jack has proven to be too beige for Lanz. Dan on the other hand, he could legit convey all that negative energy and turn it into fire.
 
I don't want him to turn the current situation into some cringy "Reputation" 2.0 moment. 

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

Yes her mom was a teacher and teaching positions are notoriously underpaid and treated like crap int the USA. I don't feel like Lana grew up in a castle. She grew up with fortunate circumstances and comfortably for sure, but to pretend like her dad was a wealthy beyond belief is basically like regurgitating what was said by the very same critics she called out in her letter to the "culture", back when she "first" came on the scene.
 
Which also makes me wonder how Rob felt when people were using that dumb rhetoric to drag Lana early on.

isnt her mom a teacher? in lots of states teachers arent paid well. and her Dad might have started making more money as he got older, past Lana's actual childhood. Its possible Lana didnt have much money in her early years. Also just because she went to boarding school doesnt mean shes rich lol, she could have been on a scholarship or some other family member paid for it, maybe even a family friend, etc. I dont see any point in her continuing to "lie" about it. unless people provide hard evidence I wouldnt trust anything so easily

Sorry, I tried to make a joke of the matter, but I understand what you mean and I agree. I sincerely apologize if my short message came off like I just come on here to spew hate on Lana, or imply that this is what other people come on here to do as well, because that was not my intention. In hindsight, it was a bit tone deaf.
 
I guess I just tried to imply that people on this community have, for a lack of better wording, a love/hate relationship with Lana and whilst they love her to death they are sometimes also very critical of her choices both personally and professionally. We all feel very, veeery, passionately about her. Also, it probably explains why there is a "Biggest Lana hater" category at the Lipsters. 
 
No hard feelings. xx
 
On a lighter note, I can't believe that I've reached my 1000th post. I finally have my three dots! 

So sad - I just watched a little clip of her at the Grammys and she says "I love Ariana" and going on to say the effect of she was looking forward to hanging out with her.
 
It's so crazy still reading headlines where people misconstrued the namedrops as an attack on the artists she mentioned. And how are Ariana's fans to know how much Lana admires her? (Despite their collab). She must feel very betrayed at the lack of support from someone she considered a friend.
 
Just a sad thought . . .

I don’t think this was serious enough for her to be blacklisted from the industry/movie soundtracks etc. People will forgive and forget like they usually do unless she says something dumb again. I think she should just keep her head down and it’ll all be back to normal in a few weeks.