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I agree, though she's made so many morally/ethically ambiguous statements in her own music about gender roles, sex, money, and class that it would be laughable to call hip-hop/R&B out on it. In fact, I would say that those hazy visions of lifestyles, dynamics and timelines that never existed is what draws her to it in the first place. 
 
However! For all these people who sit here praising BTD, an album that makes heavy use of hip hop sampling, references, and imagery, to suddenly get their panties in a knot when they're confronted with actual hip hop artists fully embedded in the culture, not filtered through the hand of a white dude named Emilie Haynie? It's not a good look. So I'm not calling Lana out because I do believe Lana to feel some affection for the genre. Her fans who need the blackness of it sanitized are the people I'm side eyeing as of now. 

I agree, though she's made so many morally/ethically ambiguous statements in her own music about gender roles, sex, money, and class that it would be laughable to call hip-hop/R&B out on it. In fact, I would say that those hazy visions of lifestyles, dynamics and timelines that never existed is what draws her to it in the first place. 
 
However! For all these people who sit here praising BTD, an album that makes heavy use of hip hop sampling, references, and imagery, to suddenly get their panties in a knot when they're confronted with actual hip hop artists fully embedded in the culture, not filtered through the hand of a white dude named Emilie Haynie? It's not a good look. So I'm not calling Lana out because I do believe Lana to feel some affection for the genre. Her fans who need the blackness of it sanitized are the people I'm side eyeing as of now. 

I agree with your sentiment, but I also think there is a difference between featuring an artist in your music and culturally appropriating. Miley (and other artists not calling her out specifically) borrowed from other cultures and used it themselves. To me, a feature is saying I enjoy the art you make and I want it to make art with you, but you can bring your background in I don't think I would be able to adequately represent that. cultural appropriation is stealing what others have built rather than giving them a platform for sharing it. Lana has culturally appropriated in the past (the ride video, some say tropico too) but I don't think this would be the same thing. It is a tough line to follow though because the worst thing you want to do is offend anyone or have her actions be harmful even if that's not intended

There could be many reasons for that.
 
My main reason, other than not liking Playboi Carti's music, for disliking these collabs is that I don't want her to be like Miley Cyrus. I don't want her to use hip-hop/r&b (and ""urban"" culture) on this record only to go ahead and hypocritically shit on it once it's no longer profitable for her to use it (or once she wants to go back to the sound and image her fanbase expects from her).

I agree, though she's made so many morally/ethically ambiguous statements in her own music about gender roles, sex, money, and class that it would be laughable to call hip-hop/R&B out on it. In fact, I would say that those hazy visions of lifestyles, dynamics and timelines that never existed is what draws her to it in the first place. 
 
However! For all these people who sit here praising BTD, an album that makes heavy use of hip hop sampling, references, and imagery, to suddenly get their panties in a knot when they're confronted with actual hip hop artists fully embedded in the culture, not filtered through the hand of a white dude named Emilie Haynie? It's not a good look. So I'm not calling Lana out because I do believe Lana to feel some affection for the genre. Her fans who need the blackness of it sanitized are the people I'm side eyeing as of now. 

The guitar solo in SOC is one of the most iconic moments on UV. People have bad opinions regarding that album in general

The guitar solo in SOC is one of the most iconic moments on UV. People have bad opinions regarding that album in general

The guitar solo in SOC is one of the most iconic moments on UV. People have bad opinions regarding that album in general

The guitar solo in SOC is one of the most iconic moments on UV. People have bad opinions regarding that album in general

The guitar solo in SOC is one of the most iconic moments on UV. People have bad opinions regarding that album in general

LOL at her literally picking hip hop fuckimg royalty with ASAP and Weeknd and people still complaining. She also has Stevie.....like all the collabs are respected artists, but some of yall want Marina and the fucking dismonds lol
 
Where that beheading gif at, i need it plz godt

idk if you're kidding bc thats exactly what everyone in here is like

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

Being a Lana fan in 2017 is so anticlimactic. I wouldn't care if the music was what she's capable of, but even that has been mostly disappointing so far.

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

It's 4:30 here on the east coast. Day light savings stuff and all

I love your posts. So refreshing when a member has something interesting to say. And don't just kiss Lana's ass. Much respect.  
Most people on this forum can't take anything bad being said about their queen, but they cannot deny you have a really fucking valid point. Rich white girl had so few problems growing up she had to go out of her way to find trouble in shitty partners and drugs. She has no right telling people it will be fine.
 
Unless yeah, maybe she is only speaking to her own demographic. God bless America - and all the beautiful rich white women in it

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

No.. Telling people to just look on the bright side when there is no bright side is patronizing, condescending and tone deaf. Almost like making a song about how sad you were for the ~future~ of all the rich white teenagers at coachella, when god knows no one is checking for the brown kids in Compton. "Wow, stuff is happening, huh?" isn't actually a meaningful thing to say. I understand that Lana apparently only became woke enough to pick up a newspaper 2 months ago, and that this site probably doesn't skew in a direction where most people are acknowledging the gravitas of the things she's poking at yet, but tone policing, "self editing" for the sake of fake good vibes, etc..That's just not the way to reach any sort of raw truth either. If she's happier in her life right now, I am happy for her. But when you openly claim to be making social statements, that puts her up for scrutiny as much as it does anybody else's problematic fave. 
 
The good thing about Lana though, is that she always overstates her influences. Honeymoon was a Jazz album, etc. Coachella and GBA might just be the only tracks like that anyway. No other snippets actually indicate otherwise. I personally think people are reaching too hard when they claim Love has any political under or overtones. 

omg Cancel Summer Slumber GIVE ME CHERRY

The interview really sucks but this shoot, oh my god. The makeup is bad though, the lip liner looks too heavy and the eye liner looks bad and it's fighting for attention with the hair uggh. The clothes are fantastic.
 
editing again because social awareness doesn't mean sanitizing yourself sweaty.   Positive thinking alone isn't going to help women, people of color, the LGBT, etc communities in America. We are angry, for good reason. White girl "can't we just get along" pleas aren't the answer when your government wants to take aware your civil rights, your healthcare, and make it easier for you to be shot in the streets. True "Social awareness" cannot be found on the top of the Hollywood sign.

She looks beautiful and there are some really nice shots in this. Liked the interview with Stevie--or at least, interesting to hear what they had to say, even though it felt a little stilted (Stevie: I think this about this thing...Lana: I agree, me too).
Really can't say I agree, like at all, about the whole self-editing thing so that every single piece you put out is 100% positive vibes only. Especially if she wants to make a socially aware album, this idea of "everything's gonna be okay you guys" thing, in this current age, feels very risky. It's just very easy, when you are rich and white and have access to multiple homes and millions of dollars and a group of high-profile, rich friends and can spend your days having fun at clubs and lavish birthday parties, to write something that comes across as "things are gonna be okay...for ME--so good luck to the rest of y'all." 
Negativity isn't an inherently bad thing. It can help bring out problems, address issues, be a motivation for change. It can also be a really powerful way to unite people who are in pain and want to know they aren't alone in their struggles. Positively culture is just completely one-dimensional, as well as horribly alienating to anyone who doesn't have a natural "go get em!" type attitude, and/or to those with mental health struggles or just really large struggles in general that need to be processed. 
I'm not advocating for artists to make really dark, hopeless pieces of art (though they can if they wish), but if you are artificially altering your responses to your own experiences ("self-editing") you are gonna be hard pressed to find people who can genuinely connect with that.