Eugene

yeah, I was just using it for reference. 
fair 

I discovered Burnt Norton through Lana (ofc) and it's been my favorite poem since I first read it  few years ago. It even inspired me to read some essay about time (can't remember the title), but it essentially supported what Eliot says here; which is that there is no present, past or the future because time is not linear. Idk how to talk about this to not get into being too deep or philosophical, but I think what he's trying to say that there is no use of worrying about what was or what will be because all the time is already "written", everything already happened, the "future" is just the part of the time that hasn't played out yet. In other words, we cannot change the past or the future. And this is why the closing line says "Ridiculous the waste sad time, stretching before and after." And that's basically all what people do most of the time; if you pay attention, you spend most of your day thinking about past or future - instead of "living in the moment." This is why I find this poem very modern and relevant today, it makes me think of all these notions of spirituality and the idea of healing through learning how to let go of past and future, and transcending the time, i.e. living in the moment.
 
Also I think there's an interesting connection to Lana's Honeymoon. On the album, Religion comes after Burn Norton, and I think BN can be viewed as intro to religion.
Everything is fine now
Let's sleeping dog's lay
All our minds made up now
All our beds are made
No one's out of time, no
Chips fall where they may
Leave it all behind, let the ocean wash away   I see this being connected to Burnt Norton, especially the "all our minds made up now, all our beds are made" - meaning that your destiny is already determined; inability to change the past or the future.   I think that in the second verse, she accepted that there's no use of "stretching before and after" when she says No need to survive now / All we do is play, because she no longer worries about the past or the future, i.e. she no longer worries about survival, she lets go and just lives.  And I think this is very interesting because it's key to one's happiness.   The only question is I don't really see the chorus of Religion being connected to BN lol  I always though it was just a song about  her worshiping someone she loves like God.  
 

"Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind."
 
One of my favorite quotes of all time. 
 

omg 

She needs to sue Lady Gaga too then for You and I. This Anna girl needs to get her coins!

"Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind."
 
One of my favorite quotes of all time. 
 

"Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind."
 
One of my favorite quotes of all time. 
 

hello my dearest bookworms
welcome to the revival of the LanaBoards book club
say it with me: ✨🙏this time we will make it 🙏✨
 
as you might know, the previous book club has failed and was cancelled without any notice, so I am your new book club hostess

 
Do you want to expand your horizons, tap into your imagination and learn about life? Are you worried about the rising trend in worldwide illiteracy and ask yourself "what can I do to fix it"? Are you tired of being a circuit queen instead of a highly sophisticated and well-educated homosexual? Do you feel dumb for not getting any of Lana's literary references? Is "reading more" on your New Year resolution every year, but you never get around to do it?
YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
 
As you might remember, the first book picked for the previous book club was Lolita, but that never happened. Now, if this succeeds, we will keep picking the works together in the future, BUT since this is the first reading round, we can get straight to work. That way we can all see how this will function, how much time we will need, and what will the discussion look like. That's why the first work that I picked is very short so we can test things out. And then later we can move onto bigger stuff like novels etc.
Our first work is...
BURNT NORTON BY T.S. ELIOT

 
"Burnt Norton" is the first out of four poems from T.S. Eliot's 1943 Four Quartets. Considered one of the 20th century's major poets, T.S. Eliot is a central figure in English-language Modernist poetry. He had the honor of his "Burnt Norton" being featured on Lana's album Honeymoon as an interlude. Lana only sampled the intro to the poem, but it is actually a bit longer.
 
The entirety of Four Quartets is available in PDF here:
http://www.lettersjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/fourquartets.pdf
(please don't ban me for piracy, miss Eliot is dead he's not getting any coin anyways)
WHAT DO WE READ?
We only read the Burnt Norton for now (fell free to read to read other poems too if you want I'm not gonna stop you); and as you can see, it's only 5 pages.
WHEN DO WE READ IT?
Literally right now. Open the PDF and read it, it takes like 3 minutes.
WHAT IS YOUR CONTRIBUTION?
As soon as you're done reading the poem, share your opinions, thoughts, views, questions, ideas, analysis, respond to other people's posts, anything!
In order to help you out, I came up with some questions that can get the discussion going:
 
BURNT NORTON DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
Why do you think Lana sampled Burnt Norton on Honeymoon? Is the poem's theme, message or lyrical style in anyway related to Honeymoon or Lana's art, lyricism and poetry in general? Did you like the poem; why or why not? Do you like the language and the writing style? Do you find the poem to be complex? In order to simplify it, what is the poem's central topic or message to your understanding? The poem dates back to 1943, being almost 80 years old. Why could it be relevant to the modern day-reader? Did you see any ideas that are applicable to the modern world? Is there any part that touched you, any part that is your favorite? You can copy the quote and discuss it. Take a look at the poem's opening lines (Time present and time past / Are both perhaps present in time future, / And time future contained in time past), and the closing lines are (Ridiculous the waste sad time / Stretching before and after). How do you interpret this? Is there any connection? Do you think the opening and the ending summarize the poem's central idea? What images came to your mind as you were reading the poem? Of course you don't have to answer those, we're not in school💀, but you can if you don't have any ideas what to write about; like I sad - share with us anything you want!
 
Let's have fun! ❤️
also if this thread flops, my account was hacked

Can someone give me an update on what is going on? 

Apparently Courtney love mentioned that lana was trying to get sober 

It did show up on the Billboard daily trending chart, but no idea how they calculated it.

Swan Song is truly one of her best songs ever. As much of a NFR stan/defender I am, I genuinely think Honeymoon is her absolute masterpiece. It’s a whole genre/universe. The fact that there are so many connections between Ocean Boulevard and Honeymoon already makes my excitement go through the roof. If there’s any sample from a previous Lana song, I hope it’s from that album.
 
Also, what’s Dark City?!

@111 tell us if we are correct, Lana used a sample of HBTB. 

she really love this song omg

remember we don't have the production list, so she probably may have used a sample from any era and give the credits... I don't think she would put it on the cover as well for just a sample.

remember we don't have the production list, so she probably may have used a sample from any era and give the credits... I don't think she would put it on the cover as well for just a sample.

so random