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Lana Del Rey: she does it for the girls
After a decade of feeling unexcited after the critical response to her debut album Born to Die, the greatest American songwriter of the 21st century is finally inspired about her career and life again. Rolling Stone UK meets her in LA to discuss the âovercultureâ, romance and her new album, Did You know that thereâs a tunnel under Ocean Blvd.
By Hannah Ewens
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Lana Del Rey had not felt enthusiastic for more than a decade. Her career wasnât animating her like it used to. Everything felt like an endurance test. This went on for a terribly long time, she says, but itâs over now. It ended three months ago, actually. She and her younger brother Charles, with whom she is highly energetically in tune, went to a mall in the Valley with their sister Carolineâs baby. It was a slow day of total serenity. They breezed through the aisles with their face masks on, invisible to people. After they pulled out of the parking area in separate vehicles, Charles called her and said, âDo you feel like somethingâs different?âÂ
 And Lana Del Rey took an emotional and metaphysical reading of her atmosphere and said, âThatâs so funny. I really, really do.â
There was no obvious logic to why this change occurred. âThatâs the funniest thing about life,â she tells me in her breathy Old Hollywood voice, sitting on an outdoor sofa in a backyard in Los Angeles. âYou can pray and pray and pray to feel unburdened, but for no explanation for why and when, all of a sudden everything lifts.âÂ
Del Reyâs persistent lack of excitement began with the scathing critical reception of her 2012 debut album, Born to Die. Despite its hit status with the public and immediate cult relevance to fans, the hip-hop-inspired orchestral pop album was initially mis-assessed by music journalists and bloggers. Her detractors said she was a hack, a fraud, a rich kid whose entire identity was a construct of a major label and her management. Last-minute changes to the albumâs production altered it drastically, which didnât help in framing who she was. âI was like: âThis sounds really, really different now. Ballads sound like pop bangers.â For that reason, instead of being assessed as a more left, thought-based, diaristic or whatever artist, it was assessed on a regular level, which was challenging,â Del Rey recalls. âHaving such a heavy critique makes it harder to progress in a cheerful way.âÂ
Her ideas were before their time and heralded a new era of alt-pop where Lorde, Halsey, Sky Ferreira and the next generationâs biggest pop star, Billie Eilish, emerged young, moody and sad. Maybe if some people her own age â Del Rey was then 27 years old â had reviewed and written about her, it might have been different, she thinks. Thatâs not to say that some critics couldnât recognise her distinct star power. In an article in the Guardian â one of many that circled the unimportant question of her âauthenticityâ â a pop-culture magazine editor defended her, saying, âI think she cares about the art that she is creating. I donât think thatâs fake at all,â and adding that, âLana Del Rey can go anywhere she wants to go. Sheâs going to one day be the cover of Rolling Stone.â
The year of the albumâs release, Del Rey left New York, the state she grew up in, for LA to escape the media and people on the street who treated her with visceral negativity. Experiences and encounters throughout her mid-twenties to mid-thirties further compounded the feeling that the world was not reflecting how she felt about herself. âIt was like being in upside-down land,â she remembers. The driving impulse behind her work was no longer self-expression, which was true of that debut and, to a dwindling degree, her follow-up, 2014âs melancholic, stripped-back Ultraviolence. âIt was not about anything other than surviving and trying to add a little bit of glamour and explanation of how I planned to get through some of the stuff I was singing about,â she says. In the case of Ultraviolence, that was contemptuous romance, being the âother womanâ, isolation and loss. Later, it would be co-dependency, passivity in relationships, fame and her complicated connections to men, her mother and America.Â
As Del Rey explains how she regained her former lust for life, she wonders in real time if the way we currently relate to each other more positively around mental health and trauma could have contributed. âItâs almost like no one can do any wrong, unless youâre Kanye talking about Nazis, which is, you know, a problem. But other than that, you can kind of be like, âWell, when I was ten, a tree fell and ever since then I havenât felt that I could walk to the storeâŠâ. Everyone has these nuanced but specific stories that are so universal to people, and I think the culture shifting and softening had something to do with it, without me knowing about it.âÂ
Itâs a good thing because Del Rey was really wondering, âWhereâs the regeneration period?â Finally, she beams, after 11 years she is excited again. Â
Meeting Lana Del Rey in person is strange given the degree of iconography around her. Sheâs not in monochrome or sepia tones, nor is she wearing one of her favoured white dresses complete with palpable A-list aura. Instead, you have the uncanny sense of experiencing a deceptively understated human being like a David Lynch or Joan Didion or Patti Smith: an artist who either created a world, documented the world or really lived in the world. If youâre Del Rey, you simultaneously and prolifically do all three.
Itâs mid-afternoon a few days before Valentineâs Day. Iâm in the garden of a modern West Hollywood home seemingly made of stone, glass and pure light. Del Rey is exactly as any fan obsessed with her everyday paparazzi photos would hope. When she steps out through the patio doors for our interview, sheâs dressed in a white V-neck, brown zip-up hoodie and yoga pants, bare-faced except for light kohl and eyelash extensions and with her long brunette hair down like a gorgeous off-duty soccer mom. She juggles a red vape, the keys to her truck, a venti Starbucks cup and an iPhone she smashed on the way here. In short, this is the most normal genius youâve ever seen.Â
Del Rey moves as she speaks, with the mannerisms of a 50s luminary transported to a world of Brandy Melville, Sephora and Instagram. Her answers to questions are elusive and seem to curl and drift away like a wisp of smoke, which only underlines the fact that we donât know much about her. Sheâs funny in the unsanitised and undecipherable ways your favourite creative friend would be if they were famous, like when she tweeted Azealia Banks, the rapper who started a feud with her: âU know the addy. Pull up anytime.â Or when she did an Instagram live from a Dennyâs restaurant with her then-boyfriend as he gave presidential election updates to her and her fans. Or, if the rumours are to be believed, when she paid for a billboard to promote her upcoming album in an exâs hometown â and only that town. Her casualness is at unambiguous odds with her image in photoshoots and music videos â the coiffed brunette housewife meets movie star â because sheâs predominantly a songwriter and, since the release of 2019âs ambitious state-of-the-nation folk-pop album Norman Fucking Rockwell!, widely considered one of the best currently working today.Â
Daily life for Del Rey is just as basic and uncomplicated. Her friend and the producer of some of her most recent and best work, Jack Antonoff, is a constant witness to this. âLana is in her truck at a gas station in LA, thinking and writing some lyrics, FaceTiming me, going to visit her friend, going to a different gas station, just sitting in the parking lot in her truck and thinking. Itâs not a âbitâ, thatâs not a character,â he says. âPeople often donât understand this about her, because so many people are playing characters these days. Sheâs just a wild soul.â As she said in an interview with Billboard a few years ago, when the muse takes her, sheâs writing, but when it leaves her alone, sheâs just in Starbucks, talking shit with her friends.Â
The mystical ordinariness of Lana Del Rey has been heightened by the fact that she decided to escape the âovercultureâ sometime in 2021. That year she announced she would be leaving Instagram to focus on her creative projects. She continued to use a private Instagram account, where she posts to the two million fans who didnât miss the brief periods it was made public and accessible. The idea of an overculture â as coined by psychoanalyst Clarissa Pinkola EstĂ©s to mean the dominant culture we try to navigate without being over-assimilated into, thereby losing our unusual talents â was presented to Del Rey by her psychic Tessa Dipietro, who she sees weekly every Thursday. âI was talking to Tessa about feeling that there just wasnât really a place for me to land, physically and psyche-wise,â she says. âI think if youâre a singer and peopleâs opinions of the work change so many times, you kind of realise: OK, thereâs something to be learned from what you hear. At the same time, Iâm definitely not one who thrives from outside validation, other than from a few people. It was very important to me to not have any influence from the outside culture that didnât resonate with me. I always knew that I was going to do something else as well, aside from singing. To be more connected to what that path was going to be, I just needed to tune in more to my gut.âÂ
By retreating, she believes she has begun to see the culture more clearly. Her albums have followed suit, increasingly humorous and observational in their commentary. Meanwhile, regardless of genre, her sound has distilled into something that is pure Lana: classic and glamorous with her trademark airy, theatrical vocals. She found a fellow partially off-grid companion in Antonoff. âJack Antonoff and I are super similar in the way we know about so much thatâs going on culturally, but we have no idea how. We definitely donât read that much about it or hear that much about it, but all of those turning points in culture, somehow weâre always aware,â she explains. Often, she and Antonoff will sit together in the studio and discuss what theyâre doing to try to survive the negative waves of trends in tech, self-promotion, music and society. âI think even if I was in a remote area, I would always know whatâs going on and Iâve always had a little bit of an intuitive finger on the pulse of culture,â she continues. âEven when I started singing, I knew it wouldnât completely jive right away.âÂ
A spiritual instinct is ever-present in Del Rey, the person. As soon as she sits down, weâre laughing about astrology and the time she tweeted her birth time and everyone realised â along with her â that sheâs a Cancer, not a Gemini. âOnce I had a thousand dollars, I bought this beautiful Gemini medallion which is no longer relevant to me,â she hoots, clapping her hands together. Sheâs so impressed with her regular psychic that every time someone tells her that she must be proud of her music, she thinks, ââYou should see what these people in the wellness community can doâ â especially in LA, itâs the mecca.â Singing is a talent too, but psychic abilities to her are magic. âItâs so validating when I meet someone like that because itâs very affirmative that thereâs so much more going on.â
This fascination with the otherworldly began when she was young growing up in Lake Placid, New York. âI had fun playing sports and meeting new friends, but I was concerned about why there were no television shows or talks from people and parents about where they thought we came from and why they thought we were here. It deeply troubled me from the age of four,â she remembers. âSo, my parents did have their hands full with a lot of esoteric questions. I think thatâs just a predisposition.â Attending a Catholic elementary school only encouraged this search for knowledge, as did her philosophy class at age 15. In the mid-00s, she went to Fordham University in the Bronx to study for a degree in philosophy with a specialism in metaphysics. âI tried to get as many questions answered in four years as I could,â she says, sagely. âAnd then I was taught that philosophy was a study of questions, not answers. There were no answers, which almost made things worse.âÂ
Plenty of girls who were drawn to the idea of being looked after by a divine plan grow up to become women who exist with the exclusive purpose of knowing an all-encompassing romantic love. An impassioned relationship offers escape from the greyscale existence of living out the complicated family dynamics they typically grew up with. Del Rey announced herself as one of these women with her first artistic statement: âThey say that the world was built for two / Only worth living if somebody is loving you.âÂ
That first single âVideo Gamesâ captivated restless listeners with its repeated, self-abandoning call of âItâs you, itâs you, itâs all for youâ. Of that sentiment Del Rey can only say, âWe were in a town of 600 for most of my life, so that seemed like what the trajectory was: school, junior college, trade school⊠get married?âÂ
If you made a Venn diagram of people who narrativise their pain to survive and those who make a man the protagonist of their lives and encourage his self-mythologising, youâd find Lana Del Rey acolytes in the intersection. For obvious reasons, young women and gay men were largely possessed by the dark star of Americana when she debuted. Her early music synthesised the all-consuming concerns of my late teens and early twenties: seeking out money and nurturing from men, the ways in which sex (and the withholding of sex) was weaponised and how I resented and desired that, the exhausting and obsessive project of love that could be so easily dismissed by an idiot playing video games. In the female empowerment era of the 2010s, Del Rey represented the pleasure and fun of being a woman but also the indignity of being one when you believe romantic love will solve any material or emotional problem.
When I mention this adoring cohort of fans from the Born to Die era, Del Rey responds with a breathy gasp: âI thought it was going to be for the boys! But again, itâs funny how it turned out to be the opposite. What an amazing lesson to foray into your people: The Girls.â Her eyes widen conspiratorially. âLove the girls. Girlâs girl. How awesome is that? But no, I definitely wrote Born to Die for the boys.â A big laugh from Del Rey at how ironic this is. âI mean, if you listen to it, itâs kind ofâŠâ This impression of herself she does almost inaudibly: âPick me! Listen to me!â Â
From Ultraviolence onwards, male and female critics accused Del Rey of glamourising abusive relationships. Meanwhile, other women â including Del Rey and her fans â were living out those common painful or toxic relationships. âThe one thing Iâve never been spared from is having these normal, somewhat contentious relationships,â explains Del Rey, punctuating thoughts with raised eyebrows or a pointed tone. âItâs not like if you become a singer, when you date people, they feel like they have to be nice to you because if theyâre not, maybe theyâd be called out. That never happens. Theyâre still themselves completely. And I think thatâs why some people might call some of my stuff polarising, because either youâve been in a contentious family dynamic or interpersonal relationships, or you havenât. So, if you havenât you might use the words or phrases Iâve heard like âfeigning fragilityâ, or âglorifying being submissiveâ. OK. Maybe itâs also just trying to see the light at the end of the tunnel?â To bring these narratives into a musical context and make them sonically depressing or the accompanying visuals unappealing wouldnât work for Del Rey. âYouâre writing what happened but youâre also trying to lift it up a little bit, maybe melodically in the chorus,â she says.Â
If emotionally abusive relationships are all youâve ever known, there are relational lessons that have to be completed to proceed to healthier dynamics. Thatâs probably why Del Reyâs songs are increasingly self-possessed and full of humour about these relationships (âGod damn, man child,â she practically winks to us as she opens âNorman Fucking Rockwell!â). Often these lessons come directly from specific people, Del Rey says, referring to a relationship with one particular man: âThe lesson was so shocking and it didnât even really take the sting out of it. But I realised only that person with that particular look and stature and cheerful disposition that people considered him to have â that almost made me look like I wasnât the positive one â only that kind of person couldâve brought me to my knees in the way that I needed to see what else I could add to my life to have a baseline foundation so that I could always come back to myself.â
In a poem from her first collection, Violet Bent Backwards Over the Grass, she describes desperately travelling to an AA meeting, knowing that she must leave her unpleasant relationship with a secretive man. She cries to the women and rehab teens while she tells her story. Del Rey ends âThanks to the Localsâ with the lines: âI donât have a pretty couplet to give resolution to this poem / nothing very eloquent to say / except that I was brave / and it wouldâve been easier to stayâ.
This was completely autobiographical and itâs amusing to Del Rey that no one knows she and this man were in an on-off relationship for years because they were never pictured together. âThereâs also a lot of carnage that can come from being the partner to the person who is the funniest, sparkliest bar fly in the room,â she says of this relationship, laughing when she adds, âNow Iâm like, âGet your sparkle away from me.ââ She considers this person briefly, looking across to the swimming pool that takes up most of the backyard. âEverybody wants youâŠâ Which is funny, she says, because youâd think as a singer that everyone would want her, pay her attention, not her partner. âThatâs probably why I am interested in those kinds of people because itâs never about me in those cases, itâs always about them. And I love that because I donât have to think about what people are thinking.âÂ
The conversation moves towards our generationâs current inability to maintain a relationship. I ask if she thinks this is less because our ideals around marriage or commitment have changed and more because weâre conscious of ourselves and how we evolve which makes it harder to meet people and stay together for more thanâŠÂ
ââŠa year,â she says, finishing my sentence. âI never understood the saying âtiming is everythingâ but I get it now.â I suggest that you can torture yourself wondering if the timing had been right, youâd be together still. âThatâs my whole thing. Iâve literally in the last couple of months left that whole question on the back burner. Because it would bother me.âÂ
The metaphysical and the romantic are entwined in her mind. A recent relationship she had with someone entrenched in their own personal problems comes up and Del Rey describes the mysterious way the question of whether to go or to stay in a partnership can manifest change. âI was laying on the grass and I was so pleased with myself because I was committed to this idea that I was like, âIt doesnât really matter, things donât have to be traditional or perfect, you love him, thatâs fine,ââ she recalls. âAnd as I committed, he came home and was like, âI canât do this anymore.â Tessa always says as soon as the person who is somewhat ambivalent tries to put two feet into the relationship, if itâs not right the universe has a way to sweep both people out immediately.âÂ
So, when I ask why the overarching theme in her work is romantic love, the answer seems so obvious, as though weâre repeating ourselves. âEverybody finds themselves in a different way,â she replies. âSome people really find themselves through their work, some people find themselves through travelling. I think my basic mode is that I learn more about myself from being with people, and so when it comes to the romantic side of things, if youâre monogamous and itâs one person youâre with, you just put a lot of importance on that.â Itâs different to her now, though, as part of this puzzling mood shift. Now in life and in writing she is orientated towards whatâs happening day to day, ânot being reactive to what appears to be the reality of the current circumstance and being as proactive as you can but letting everything go.âÂ
If you had wondered why Del Rey released two albums in 2021, itâs because one was a reactive album. It was a final decision to respond directly to circumstance. The Chemtrails over the Country Club cover art was a black and white photograph of a group of women, including Del Rey, sitting around a table presumably at one of these clubs. Some commented that given the political climate around Black Lives Matter it wouldnât hurt for her to feature Black women on her album artwork (the women on the cover art were Del Reyâs friends and some of them were women of colour). Immediately after being condemned for her response to that criticism, Del Rey decided to create and release more music about the accusations of cultural appropriation and previous claims that she glamourised domestic abuse. âI was just like, âLet me try and write an album that maybe could explain why, if that was true, letâs say, I could potentially identify with certain modes of operating,ââ she says. âSo, Blue Banisters was more of an explanatory album, more of a defensive album, which is why I didnât promote it, period, at all. I didnât want anyone to listen to it. I just wanted it to be there in case anyone was ever curious for any information.âÂ
Del Reyâs music once had a cool distance. It felt like she was melancholically singing over your shoulder. Now, however, her lines are played straight to the camera and then knock the fourth wall aside entirely to speak to you directly. Thereâs a playfulness, freedom and an honesty about her immediate reality on her new album, Did You know that thereâs a tunnel under Ocean Blvd. Tracks flow in a jazzlike trance; classic piano and acoustic songs blend into hip-hop, pop, gospel and choral numbers. Colloquial lyrics move as fast as a Beat writerâs poem: they seamlessly speak to a friend about culture, offer mundane updates on whatâs going on in her daily life, present notes on dark relationships. But songs frequently, as Antonoff notes, come together with a âvoice of God, some joy or hopefulnessâ.
Antonoff returns as a producer on multiple tracks. âYou have a weird whiplash of not knowing what youâre supposed to feel,â says Antonoff of the second single, the horror folk meets internet rap track, âA&Wâ. âThat sensation is across the album: you could dissect the tone of whether itâs hints of gospel or bringing back some of the 808s and the fucked-up side of things. But in the studio, it was just about finding what is shocking in the moment.âÂ
The tunnel under Ocean Boulevard is a real place. In LAâs downtown Long Beach, the abandoned Jergins Tunnel will still gleam if you cast a light on its white, sand and caramel-coloured tiles and beige mosaics on the floor. People walk above today not knowing what lies beneath. In the late 60s, it was sealed off and closed to the public, but once upon a time it was a subway for holidaymakers to access the beach. Cotton candy and souvenir vendors lined those walls. Not to be too literal, Del Rey says of Did You know that thereâs a tunnel under Ocean Blvd, but âwould it be a worrisome concept to be boxed out and sealed up with all these beautiful things inside with no one able to gain access except maybe family?â
Itâs a revealing query that shows Del Reyâs sensitivity around how sheâs perceived and understood has softened but remains an enigmatic concern. âThat was a question I had because thatâs a very plausible thing that could happen with the music, with how pointed peopleâs perceptions of my music can be,â she explains further. âWould it probably, plausibly, get to the point where it became a body of work that made me a vessel that was sequestered to the point where only family would have access to the metaphorical tunnel?â
This album is a box of treasures of its own dedicated to family. You hear it in the constant reminders that this is what Del Rey calls a âname-out or call-out albumâ. She mentions her father, sister, brother, Carolineâs baby and all those loved ones around her to âkeep them close in the musicâ because theyâre with her every day. Some jokes and lines are drawn directly from conversations with her girlfriends, like on âFishtailâ when a friendâs date promised he would come over to her house to braid her hair, but he never did. âIf people think my music is good itâs because thereâs other people involved in the songs and in the process of making it. So many people,â she says, with a smile at just how good it is.Â
On the title track and first single, Del Rey asks longingly, âWhenâs it gonna be my turn?â Though she says this refers to wondering when itâs her turn for anything to happen for her, the question of whether she will carry the family line on by being a mother and when (and whether marriage and love is included in that) appears multiple times across the album. As for maternal yearnings, sheâll only talk about the passage in The Bell Jar when Sylvia Plathâs protagonist considers the metaphorical tree of life choices that face a woman: marriage, children, career options and so on. I wanted each and every one of them, but choosing one meant losing all the rest, and, as I sat there, unable to decide, the figs began to wrinkle and go black, and, one by one, they plopped to the ground at my feet, Plath wrote.Â
âItâs giving fig tree,â says Del Rey. âItâs giving Sylvia Plath, so many figs and if I donât pick one first, theyâll all wither away and then there will be no figs to choose from.âÂ
There are questions of knowing and not knowing when it comes to love on the album. On a fairground-style meditation that wouldnât feel out of place on a remake of AmĂ©lie (âParis, Texasâ), Del Rey travels from Paris to Alabama barely needing to wonder about her failing relationship back home anymore: âWhen you know, you know / The more you know, itâs time to goâ. Later, on the delightfully rom-com-esque âMargaretâ, we learn that The One is not a myth. It was written for Antonoffâs fiancĂ© Margaret Qualley as the kind of song that could hypothetically be played at their wedding. âSo if you donât know, donât give up / Because you never know what the new day might bring,â Del Rey says brightly to anyone not as sure as Antonoff and Qualley. For those still searching for their person, there is always the devotional love that overarches the 77 minutes in the form of God, preacherâs lessons, and a warm and wistful spiritualism.Â
In the vein of including the loved ones around her, Del Reyâs ex-boyfriend, the cameraman and DP Mike Hermosa, also features as a producer on the album. If it werenât for him the album would not exist. Every Sunday, Hermosa would play his guitar around Del Rey, who began to sneakily record him. On one occasion, she asked if she could sing along and out came âDid You knowâ in full. âMusic is like a little bird who is always right on my shoulder,â she says. âEven when Iâm looking for respite someone always comes in and plays a little tune and Iâm like, âShit, itâs happening again.ââ
From then, every available Sunday, theyâd record a song on her phone. Five of those appear on the album. âWhen we broke up, I was like, âYou know at some point weâre going to have to talk about the fact that you have half of this album. It will come out,ââ she says. Thankfully, Hermosa heard the finished album and called her to tell her he loved it. âThe water is warm out there to be a couple of different things, so heâs definitely warmed-up to it. He has to be, heâs on the album sleeve smoking a vape. Heâs fucked!âÂ
That Did You know that thereâs a tunnel under Ocean Blvd feels once again so different from what sheâs done before and yet a collage of everything sheâs ever made â it even ends with the grimy, heavy, original and unheard version of âVenice Bitchâ â is testament to where Del Rey is nine studio albums into her career. âLana is boundaryless,â says Antonoff. âSheâs reached a point in her work, which is really my favourite place to work from, where thereâs nowhere to go but way out into the fucking wilderness artistically. Go chase radio? Thatâd be so stupid. Go chase trends? So stupid. She created all the trends. Itâs a freeing place, if you can accept it. The only place to go is to be a leader.â So, she sauntered ahead with the bird on her shoulder to create what was, according to her, the easiest album sheâs ever made.
Do you know about telomeres? Theyâre the strange, hand-shaped nerve endings that shrink as you age. Experts think that within a decade weâll be able to preserve them. During the creation of Did You know, Del Rey continued her research into telomeres and the concept of the extinction of death, wondering if she and her family will be all right, will they reach this ten-year mark? Something so freaky is naturally fascinating to Del Rey. âWhy not have that be the focus: self-preservation. Just to stay around and see what happens, you know?â she says encouragingly, seeing my concerned expression. âItâs a good thing â or at least my dad has always said that itâs going to happen and heâs been waiting. Heâs very in touch with the scientific revelations that have been happening throughout the past ten years, or more. But I keep seeing it now, thereâs been two articles in the last two weeks.â Why not live forever!
Sheâs excited now, elegantly bulldozing away on a tangent. âNo matter what happens from here on out, I already learned everything â I can tell â Iâve learned everything I need to know, I donât need to experience anything else,â she says. âIâm just really happy that I pushed through all those turbulent times that were sometimes brought upon by myself and sometimes were suppressed onto me by other people and things to the point that Iâm just so lucky that my heart isnât fragmented all over the world, bits of it with other people who it doesnât belong to, that my head is clear enough to not have my self-will run riot all the time.â
âAnd,â she says as a grin strikes her face, âto still enjoy the fucking fact that Iâm on the cover of Rolling Stone. Are you kidding me?! To be able to enjoy that and also to know that itâs about the experience of it. To enjoy the fact, the fun literal fact, that youâre on the cover of Rolling Stone. The first time I was on the cover of US Rolling Stone, I couldnât believe it but whatâs more unbelievable is 11 years later to be on the cover of UK Rolling Stone. Thatâs unfathomable. I canât actually even register it. Itâs wild.â Later, sheâll pass through the patio doors into the open-plan kitchen and use her hands and upper body strength to spring off the table like a baby lamb, saying, âIâm on the cover of Rolling Stone!â Itâs a jubilant surprise for anyone in the room who witnesses it.
The interview on the patio has essentially finished because weâve segued into Lana Del Rey giving me advice on her specialist subject (men). We hunch over her iPhone to see a photo she took of a forgotten copy of William Blakeâs Songs of Innocence and of Experience that she discovered when going through her old belongings. Years ago, Del Rey wrote something on the sleeve. âWhat a beautiful concept: to have a bottom line of what you will not do. I myself would love to be with someone who doesnât believe in pressure and someone who ignites passion not just safely, someone whose look reminds me of why I love living, a person whose naturalness reminds me of my own and that beauty is to be enjoyed.âÂ
We sit back on the garden furniture, and she gives me the patient look of an older sister imparting knowledge. Then she says, delicately and so off-handedly itâs coy, âI had a lot of ideas there.âÂ