Ultra Violet

Huge yes. Might I also add: The freedom of one group does not require the oppression of another group.

Something really sad I just realised. I'm sure some of the Palestinian prisoners released will come back to realise they have no family left to meet them. And nearly all have no home to go back to.

This year I've been mostly listening to local playlists on my phone of the Paradise, Ultraviolence, Honeymoon and Lust for Life eras, with all their added outtakes. Or I listen to tracklists I've put together of entirely unreleased songs and demos. I've been doing this with other artists too, mostly Sky Ferreira this year because masochism is never coming. But Lana is definitely the artist i have the most playlists for and usually my go-to. I guess it's because my predominant mood is chill and dreamy, and that's what most of Lana's music is to me.

It's good to see the discussion above on this page. I'm of course going to keep updating what's happening with the hostage and prisoner releases when I can. I hope it goes smoothly, and hope even more that the bombing and attacks don't resume right away after the 4 days (even tho Netanyahuis promising it will), and that the West Bank can get peace during this too. Information about that so far: i've pasted so much so putting it in a spoiler

I think you were talking about the prisoners to be released soon, but you might want to read a bit more about other prisoners Israel has taken and how they have unlawfully treated Palestinians that are not actually doing violent things, like this a couple of years ago: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/06/israeli-police-targeted-palestinians-with-discriminatory-arrests-torture-and-unlawful-force/

So that old man who got murdered by an Israeli soldier while minding his own business harvesting olives must have identified with the idea of Hamas? Israel is never asked to prove any of this btw. They "just know".

Lost in Translation vs Thirteen

Pulp Fiction vs American Beauty

Fair enough about the first part. I'll edit it to what I should have said. Generally, Palestinians being controlled by a government thats comitted terrorism (and still is) doesnt stop me from wanting their freedom and basic human rights at every moment. I also don't agree with collective punishment by Israel in the meantime, and rather than just a tragedy, I think the killing was entirely preventable, had there been communication before the bombing began.

Okay. I just want to add, have you considered that freedom for Palestinians means to remove blockades, remove restrictions for the amount of food allowed into Gaza (like for years pre Oct 7th), remove their travel restrictions between the West Bank and Gaza, and that maybe their people shouldn't be restricted to only the two geographically divided locations within their homeland?

And "From the river to the sea, Israel is what you'll see" is not calling for the elimination of Palestinians as a group of people on their homeland?

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is not calling for genocide or wiping out Jewish people in Israel. Meanwhile, people can tweet "From the river to the sea, Israel is what you'll see" and no one blinks an eye. It seems its easy to think that freedom requires colonisation when coming from someone living in a country that did exactly that. Meanwhile Indigenous people just want freedom and others be like "!!!! this requires my destruction!!!!". No It Doesn't. Learn the difference between freedom from oppression and what colonisation really is.

I don't keep up with news from her but that's intriguing for sure

@I Come In Peace sorry to bother you again, but maybe I can get your perspective on what's happening in the West Bank? How is Israel justifying that when Hamas doesn't control there?

I read this, and I hear you. I want to respectfully say I keep trying to specify that I am criticising Israeli officials and people from israel who are mocking the pain and suffering and death of Palestinians, and also those ignoring the suffering. We are allowed to criticise a countries government and that doest equal antisemitism. I hope Israel will be free from Netanyahu too. I'm also aware that there are people in Israel who are trying to fight back against him with the risk of being jailed, and many have been. I also want to say (and maybe you didn't mean anyone in this thread at all), the "tik tok and influencer" news is really being thrown around to people as a defence to pro-Palestine talk. The alternative to the news you see on television and on your phone browser isn't automatically Tik tok and influencers. It can come straight from people in the UN (like the human rights expert who quit), and news channels that are closer to the conflict, and actually IN it like Al Jazeera who have been covering it for years.

I wonder if the conflict and attacks in the West Bank are going to stop with the temporary ceasefire. My guess is no.

A) 14,500 B) 30,000 injured and serious mental harm has been done to all Palestinians C) cutting off food, water, fuel, medical aid. Also before Oct 7th, only allowing food into Gaza that was calculated to be just above levels of starvation. Keep in mind only ONE of these points needs to be met to be considered genocide. And you only need to listen to what Israeli officials have been saying to know their intent. If you're going to ignore what I've shared in here about that, or refuse to look it up yourself, that's wilful ignorance.

It's absurd to keep denying it at this point. I've posted several links and videos in here about Iraeli officials blatantly saying they want all Palestinians wiped out. Just because it's not plastered all over headlines in western countries the way "hamas" and "terrorist" is, people can so easily ignore and deny it. People really think US support = the right side all the time don't they

Yup, saw a video of Israeli children singing about the IDF swooping in and bombing the city. Had to turn it off after like 2 lines. My ears bled just from reading the subtitles. Remember what German children had to sing in ww2?

Yeah I've definitely noticed that. And barely any news channels ive seen have covered this yet and it's a huge update.

Wtf that is awful. Are they also going to disown Jenna Ortega from the franchise for supporting Palestine?

Pls let Huxley be something good for the album

I dont really need to hear Lana and Billie singing together on a collaboration, but if they produced for eachother behind the scenes that would be so cool.

Absolutely, and yeah, like after all this time and 13,000 dead, its just a tiny spark of hope, not a resolution. And best case scenario at this point: hostages continue to be released for more than 5 days, Gazans get ALL the support they need (for years to come as well), U.S. successfully sued for aiding genocide (already being attempted), and Israel sued for it too obviously. People need to keep refusing to let this be swept under the rug.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-22/israel-hamas-ceasefire-hostage-release-deal-what-we-know/103135900 "Israel and Hamas have agreed to a four-day ceasefire after six weeks of war in exchange for the release of 50 women and children held in Gaza. Hamas said in a statement as part of the deal Israel would release 150 Palestinian women and children held in the country's jails" All of the hostages to be released at this stage are women and children under 19 years of age. 12 of the hostages will be released by Hamas per day (not sure what Israel will be doing in terms of that with the 150 prisoners), and the ceasefire may continue after the 4 days if Hamas continues to release 10 more per day. (Btw I don't know why some of my text is smaller. I genuinely didn't mean to emphasise only one paragraph but cant fix it on mobile)