Rorman Nockwell

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

This
Proof of a "good relationship" doesn't mean SH or even SA isn't possible.
Here i go oversharing again but
 

I just listened to it as I don't know whats going on and even who these people are and it's like a scene from like that show 'Her' is it with the guy Joe lol
 
If thats real, its borderline psychotic leaving someone a message like that, that might be the guys problem. He sounds like he's acting and very fake and over the top and doing too much praising and stuff of her and to do it for 6 minutes is wild behaviour. Unless all actors are just that fake and over the top theres something not right leaving a message like that.

Huh?
My comment had fuck all to do with not believing men, or with believing women exclusively. It has to do with believing people (who are usually women) when they say this shit happens to them.
ETA: but it applies to men, too. If a man comes forward and says a woman (or another man) did this to him, we should believe him.

Legit if I received this voice memo from a man at 2am, I'd be at the police station at 9am filing a restraining order

Yeah I honestly don't know what he was trying to achieve by releasing this latest one
It's such a convenient one-sided 6-minute conversation he's having. Also - he states very clearly that he doesn't like voice memos or texts, so why is he sending one that's 6 minutes long to her in the middle of the fucking night? I mean that's not a crime, but it's also like ... why didn't he just say, "hey I'll talk to you tomorrow/can you call me/I'll call you back" or something? They sounded like they were still on speaking terms at the time of this voice memo? Very few people are gonna pick up at 2am ...

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

Mind you this case is about sexual harassment and not who has the "best vibes" or gives the best interviews

And it’s the fact that it would have technically been her boss sending her these voice memos 
 
she may have been sending some back, but he was the director. He had the power in this situation 
 
imaging my boss exchanging these memos with me makes my skin crawl 

Most sensible post in this entire thread
100% agree

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

Legit if I received this voice memo from a man at 2am, I'd be at the police station at 9am filing a restraining order

Huh?
My comment had fuck all to do with not believing men, or with believing women exclusively. It has to do with believing people (who are usually women) when they say this shit happens to them.
ETA: but it applies to men, too. If a man comes forward and says a woman (or another man) did this to him, we should believe him.

Most sensible post in this entire thread
100% agree

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

Most sensible post in this entire thread
100% agree

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

Most sensible post in this entire thread
100% agree

You are really showing your arse here.
I hope you never have a sister or a niece or a wife or a mother or any other woman in your life come to you and confide in you about being harassed or assaulted. Imagine looking them in the eye and telling them that believing them is "too simplistic." Let me tell you - there isn't a woman alive who doesn't (or won't) experience some sort of sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime, and that is a heartbreaking fact.
The point isn't that women are good and men are bad.
The point (which you, and the masses) have proven is that women are not believed by default.
The point is that predatory men get away with this shit for years and years and years. Because woman are not believed by default. As I said - these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, and predators rely on that. They rely on people crying, "bUt wHeRe iS tHe eViDeNcE?"
The point is that, when women come forward with these kinds of allegations, they are treated as if they are being unreasonable and overemotional and that they are smearing some innocent, level-headed man. And you know what? That may well be true in this case - but again, the point is - this is the default reaction. And it's an inherently misogynistic reaction.
And you can defend Justin Baldoni and demonise Blake Lively until the cows come home, but the only real, irrefutable evidence in this case so far is that his PR team is working overtime to put across exactly what I just said. Think about that. The voice note you've linked proves nothing except that he and his PR team continue to put forward this "she's unreasonable and overemotional and he's level-headed and fair" narrative.
The nerve of you stanning a woman who sings about this very thing in her songs (most recently, A&W) and then coming on here and saying shit like that is really something you ought to think about.
That is all.

Also, I personally think we should believe all people (men or women or nonbinary) who come forward about being raped/SA/SH unless actually being proven otherwise (random voice memos are not proof) Less than 10% of SA/SH claims are proven to be false. The amount of these cases that go unreported are significantly higher than people lying. To be fair, people are innocent until proven guilty so if you don’t believe her then people should at least wait until the legal process is over to come to their conclusion. But that doesn’t mean we should assume someone is lying and blame the victim. People don’t assume others are lying about other physical assault cases for example, so why should we treat SA/SH differently?

Legit if I received this voice memo from a man at 2am, I'd be at the police station at 9am filing a restraining order

Huh?
My comment had fuck all to do with not believing men, or with believing women exclusively. It has to do with believing people (who are usually women) when they say this shit happens to them.
ETA: but it applies to men, too. If a man comes forward and says a woman (or another man) did this to him, we should believe him.

Legit if I received this voice memo from a man at 2am, I'd be at the police station at 9am filing a restraining order

I don’t understand what this voice memo is trying to prove other than he sounds annoying. This doesn’t prove he didn’t sexually harass her